Why isn't there much talk on the Olympus EVOLT E-510

"Alan Hoyle" wrote:
>
> Not that I don't see the advantages of bigger sensors in many
> applications, but smaller sensors are "good enough" for many purposes.

Choosing a tool to fit the job makes sense. If you don't need MF quality
12x18 prints, you don't need a 5D. If you need LF quality 24x30 prints, a 5D
won't cut it.

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <46ee721c$0$32487$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme says...
>
>
>>I am well informed, without that extra doohickey the OM lenses are just
>>shelf decoration in your den or shed (unless you've bought a Canon DSLR
>>and a mount adapter during the fifteen wait between Olympus SLR cameras).
>>Also, OM lenses cannot be used natively on 4/3 cameras and none of auto
>>functions work.
>>Not even with the the latest of the OM lenses.
>>Abandonning your customer base is a good way of having to start form
>>scratch again and in the fifteen year gap, Olympus would have lost
>>customers to Pentax, Nikon and Canon.
>>Attempting to claim anything else just makes you seem pretty darn silly
>>and that you're in severe denial.
>
>
> You have an incredibly negative way of seeing things. Olympus creates
> from scratch a new DSLR system, designed from the beginning for the
> realities of digital sensors and that's a bad thing?

I see that abandonning an existing user base is bad for customer loyalty.
How do you really know if Olympus won't dump on you again in the near
future and waste all your money which you spent buying lenses to find
that they don't work (without an adapter) on the latest and greatest body?

> Canon and Nikon, encumbered by the need to support their user base, rely
> instead on a last century DSLR design optimised for film.

You forgot to include Sigma and Pentax.
All four have capitalised on their existing user base which already had
lenses (and other accessories) for their film SLR cameras and now are
just as useful on the digital bodies made by these same companies.
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In article , SMS says...

> That may be a good rationalization for now. But the world is moving to
> full frame and with full frame comes the ability to increase the
> resolution over the smaller sensors, without increasing noise. We'll
> soon be up to film in quality, even on consumer cameras.
>
> It'll be interesting to see if Olympus decides to play in the larger
> marketplace.

Nothing against full frame, but it comes at a price - bulk and weight. I
know of people who have great equipment, but then end up using the
compact one because it is so much more portable.

By the way, we've left film behind in the dust a long time ago.
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Alfred Molon
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David J. Littleboy wrote:
> "Alan Hoyle" wrote:
>> Not that I don't see the advantages of bigger sensors in many
>> applications, but smaller sensors are "good enough" for many purposes.
>
> Choosing a tool to fit the job makes sense. If you don't need MF quality
> 12x18 prints, you don't need a 5D. If you need LF quality 24x30 prints, a 5D
> won't cut it.
>

If resolution was the only criteria you might be correct, but the other
reason someone might need a 5D is its low light performance. If you
want to be able to shoot in low light you could well benefit from the 5D
even if you are only making 4x6 inch prints. And if you are shooting in
low light you are likely going to be a lot better off with a 5D then
then a LF film camera. All of this assumes moving subjects, like people.


Scott
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dj_nme wrote:

> I see that abandonning an existing user base is bad for customer loyalty.
> How do you really know if Olympus won't dump on you again in the near
> future and waste all your money which you spent buying lenses to find
> that they don't work (without an adapter) on the latest and greatest body?
>
>> Canon and Nikon, encumbered by the need to support their user base,
>> rely instead on a last century DSLR design optimised for film.
>
> You forgot to include Sigma and Pentax.
> All four have capitalised on their existing user base which already had
> lenses (and other accessories) for their film SLR cameras and now are
> just as useful on the digital bodies made by these same companies.

Also realize that the Canon and Nikon designs give you the best of both
worlds, even in the sub-full-frame models. You can buy lenses that are
designed for the smaller sensor, or you can use your existing lenses
with the correction for the crop factor.

For telephoto, you get all those wonderful Canon BWLs (big white
lenses). At this point someone will start up about the cost of the BWLs,
but in reality it's less of an issue than you might think. I was at my
kid's softball tournament, wistfully looking at someone with a Canon
BWL, and when I approached him, expecting it to be attached to a
professional body, I was shocked to see it on a EOS Digital Rebel
(300D). I talked to him, and it turned out that he had rented the lens
for $25 for 24 hours from the local camera store (Keeble and Shuchat
(Palo Alto, CA)). It's great to be able to rent a specialty lens for the
rare times that you need it, but it actually has to exist, and it has to
be an item in demand enough for the store to rent it.

It's really important to look at the big picture prior to selection a
system, since changing systems is so expensive. Look at not only the
body, but the available lenses in each quality segment, the available
accessories, the upgrade path to better bodies, etc. As I said earlier,
the E-510 is a good value for the money. But Olympus has done poorly in
the D-SLR market precisely because so many people in the market for a
D-SLR do a lot of research prior to the purchase, and do look at the
long term.
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In article , Scott W says...

> If resolution was the only criteria you might be correct, but the other
> reason someone might need a 5D is its low light performance. If you
> want to be able to shoot in low light you could well benefit from the 5D
> even if you are only making 4x6 inch prints. And if you are shooting in
> low light you are likely going to be a lot better off with a 5D then
> then a LF film camera. All of this assumes moving subjects, like people.

Actually you can shoot with any camera in low light with a tripod
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Alfred Molon
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On 2007-09-18 08:33:56 -0700, SMS said:

> I was at my kid's softball tournament, wistfully looking at someone
> with a Canon BWL, and when I approached him, expecting it to be
> attached to a professional body, I was shocked to see it on a EOS
> Digital Rebel (300D). I talked to him, and it turned out that he had
> rented the lens for $25 for 24 hours from the local camera store
> (Keeble and Shuchat (Palo Alto, CA)). It's great to be able to rent a
> specialty lens for the rare times that you need it, but it actually has
> to exist, and it has to be an item in demand enough for the store to
> rent it.

Renting the high-end stuff can be a really good way to make purchasing
decisions too. I rented a Nikon 17-35, a 105 Micro VR and an 18-200 VR
while making up my mind about buying new stuff. In the end, I bought
none of those, selecting the non-VR 105 Micro, the 12-24 and the 70-300
VR instead. I'm much happier with the choices knowing I tried the
pro-grade glass and determined that the three less expensive lenses had
all the quality I need for my (non-professional) use!
--
Cease then to grieve for your private afflictions, and address
yourselves instead to the safety of the republic
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article , Scott W says...
>
>
>>If resolution was the only criteria you might be correct, but the other
>> reason someone might need a 5D is its low light performance. If you
>>want to be able to shoot in low light you could well benefit from the 5D
>>even if you are only making 4x6 inch prints. And if you are shooting in
>>low light you are likely going to be a lot better off with a 5D then
>>then a LF film camera. All of this assumes moving subjects, like people.
>
>
> Actually you can shoot with any camera in low light with a tripod

Only if you're expecting to capture a nice image of the scenery and not
worried by the blurry moving things; like people, animals and vehicles.
Long exposures are really great for capturing sharp images of still
objects, just don't count on mobile things to stay still just for you to
take sharp still pictures of them.
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <46f017cb$0$32484$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
> 01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme says...
>
>> Only if you're expecting to capture a nice image of the scenery and not
>> worried by the blurry moving things; like people, animals and vehicles.
>> Long exposures are really great for capturing sharp images of still
>> objects, just don't count on mobile things to stay still just for you to
>> take sharp still pictures of them.
>
> Depends on how long the exposure is. In any case you often get
> interesting blur or ghosting effects.

But if you want a photo of the people, and not some ghost like images,
then you need a somewhat short shutter time. I have a whole lot of
photos where I held the camera still enough to get a sharp background
but all the people are blurred.

Scott
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In article <46f017cb$0$32484$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme says...

> Only if you're expecting to capture a nice image of the scenery and not
> worried by the blurry moving things; like people, animals and vehicles.
> Long exposures are really great for capturing sharp images of still
> objects, just don't count on mobile things to stay still just for you to
> take sharp still pictures of them.

Depends on how long the exposure is. In any case you often get
interesting blur or ghosting effects.
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Alfred Molon
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article , Scott W says...
>
>> But if you want a photo of the people, and not some ghost like images,
>> then you need a somewhat short shutter time. I have a whole lot of
>> photos where I held the camera still enough to get a sharp background
>> but all the people are blurred.
>
> True, but I mostly shoot scenery and am not too interested in people or
> moving objects.

Oh, now it's perfectly clear why you're okay with the 4:3 system and
EVolt cameras. You should have mentioned this in the beginning.
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article , Scott W says...
>
>
>>But if you want a photo of the people, and not some ghost like images,
>>then you need a somewhat short shutter time. I have a whole lot of
>>photos where I held the camera still enough to get a sharp background
>>but all the people are blurred.
>
>
> True, but I mostly shoot scenery and am not too interested in people or
> moving objects.


Scenery moves too, wind blows the grass/trees/etc around.

Wes
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In article , Scott W says...

> But if you want a photo of the people, and not some ghost like images,
> then you need a somewhat short shutter time. I have a whole lot of
> photos where I held the camera still enough to get a sharp background
> but all the people are blurred.

True, but I mostly shoot scenery and am not too interested in people or
moving objects.
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Alfred Molon
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