Why isn't there much talk on the Olympus EVOLT E-510

Juarez wrote:
> When researching DSLR's recently the one that impressed me the most for
> image quality and price was the Olympus EVOLT E-510. I don't see it getting
> much love in here though. Why is that?

It is a good value for the money.

I think the reason the Olympus digital SLRs haven't sold well is because
of other issues, such as the lens situation. If you want a true
wide-angle lens for a 4:3 camera you're looking at a lot of money. The
Olympus 7-14mm lens, which gives you 14-28mm is nearly $1500. The Canon
EF-s 10-22mm lens which gives you 16-35mm is around $600 on sale. This
is an inherent problem of the 4:3 system which uses a very small sensor.
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:37 -0700, just bob wrote:


>
> Read for yourself
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinions.asp?prodkey=oly_e510

And? All the opinions are positive. I'm asking why I don't see hardly any
posts about it in this group.
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Juarez <non.TakeThisOut@functional.invalid> wrote in news:1HgGi.217283$VU2.184203
@fe02.news.easynews.com:

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:37 -0700, just bob wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Read for yourself
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinions.asp?prodkey=oly_e510
>
> And? All the opinions are positive. I'm asking why I don't see hardly any
> posts about it in this group.

people use newsgroups mostly to bitch and moan... if they're satisfied with
something they generally don't post about it...
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A large segment of people here believe size matters and feel challenged by
the size of their sensors.
There is nothing at all wrong with the Olympus although many posters to this
newsgroup automatically dismiss the 4/3 system.
The original Olympus dSLRs tried camera form factors that did not look like
a traditional, i.e. 1930s Exacta, SLR and so were immediately dismissed by
many as unworthy, unserious cameras.
Olympus has since adapted more traditional form factors for its dSLRs.
Panaleicasonic is going to have to learn the hard way.
Many posters to this newsgroup dismiss anything except the Holy Grail of the
"full frame" sensor, further betraying a mind set bolted to a dead film
paradigm.
Many people on this newsgroup seem technically obsessed and aesthetically
challenged. Hence you see posts ranking cameras that have not yet been
released and which the writer will never have the opportunity to personally
use (and probably would not know what to do with it anyway). I presume the
belief is that a technically imperfect camera (what camera isn't?) can not
be used to make an aesthetically successful image.
One issue with Olympus is bang for the buck. But value is what you think it
is.
If Olympus floats your boat go with it.
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In article <G%dGi.386499$Bo7.75563@fe07.news.easynews.com>, Juarez
says...
> When researching DSLR's recently the one that impressed me the most for
> image quality and price was the Olympus EVOLT E-510. I don't see it getting
> much love in here though. Why is that?

Most people in this forum are not exactly fans of Olympus cameras, so
it's not surprising that there is not much talk about it. In any case
you'll find a lot of discussion about this camera in the Olympus Yahoo
group (link below).
--

Alfred Molon
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Olympus 50X0, 7070, 8080, E3X0, E4X0 and E5X0 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site
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all about Olympus EVOLT E-510 here
http://newdigitalfans.com/olympus-evolt-e510/
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In article <46e9ea52$0$27251$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS says...

> I think the reason the Olympus digital SLRs haven't sold well is because
> of other issues, such as the lens situation. If you want a true
> wide-angle lens for a 4:3 camera you're looking at a lot of money. The
> Olympus 7-14mm lens, which gives you 14-28mm is nearly $1500. The Canon
> EF-s 10-22mm lens which gives you 16-35mm is around $600 on sale. This
> is an inherent problem of the 4:3 system which uses a very small sensor.

Why would it be more expensive to manufacture wide angle lenses for
smaller sensors?
And BTW, because of the telecentric design 4/3 cameras outperform
standard DSLRs at wide angle.
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Alfred Molon
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Olympus 50X0, 7070, 8080, E3X0, E4X0 and E5X0 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <46e9ea52$0$27251$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS says...
>
>> I think the reason the Olympus digital SLRs haven't sold well is because
>> of other issues, such as the lens situation. If you want a true
>> wide-angle lens for a 4:3 camera you're looking at a lot of money. The
>> Olympus 7-14mm lens, which gives you 14-28mm is nearly $1500. The Canon
>> EF-s 10-22mm lens which gives you 16-35mm is around $600 on sale. This
>> is an inherent problem of the 4:3 system which uses a very small sensor.
>
> Why would it be more expensive to manufacture wide angle lenses for
> smaller sensors?

I never said it cost more to manufacture them, just that they are very
expensive. However it's always been the case that the wider the wide end
of an ultra-zoom, the more expensive so it probably does cost more to
manufacture them. In any case the manufacturing cost is irrelevant, it's
the retail cost that matters to the camera purchaser. Someone that looks
at the big picture (no pun intended) prior to committing to a specific
manufacturer or lens mount is unlikely to choose an Olympus digital SLR.
It's not only the lens situation, but the situation with other
accessories as well.
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <46e9ea52$0$27251$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS says...
>
>
>>I think the reason the Olympus digital SLRs haven't sold well is because
>> of other issues, such as the lens situation. If you want a true
>>wide-angle lens for a 4:3 camera you're looking at a lot of money. The
>>Olympus 7-14mm lens, which gives you 14-28mm is nearly $1500. The Canon
>>EF-s 10-22mm lens which gives you 16-35mm is around $600 on sale. This
>>is an inherent problem of the 4:3 system which uses a very small sensor.
>
>
> Why would it be more expensive to manufacture wide angle lenses for
> smaller sensors?

Coverage, for one.
The wider the angle, with older priven lens designs the more vignetting
will occur, so to achieve the same angle of view (ie: 35mm equivalent)
the wider the lens must be due to the 2x crop fator induced by the
smalleer semor which the FourThirds standard calls for.

> And BTW, because of the telecentric design 4/3 cameras outperform
> standard DSLRs at wide angle.

What you seem to have been hoodwinked by is the (old?) Olympus
FourThirds advertising speil (attempting to justify their
all-retrocfocus range of lenses) that says that the older lenses for
other makers cannot be used with DSLR cameras.
Look at pbase.com and try and comprehend the vast number of images taken
with supposedly "unusable" (as per Olympus/FourThirds speil) lenses made
for 35mm slr cameras which are now being used with dslr cameras.
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:12:39, Marty Fremen wrote:

> rather perverse. But there is not much point in getting an SLR
> unless you can get a good set of lenses with it, and the Olympus
> wide-angle lenses are far too expensive, and no-one else is making
> 4/3 lenses of sufficiently wide angle. At the moment I'm just going
> to sit tight and hope that either Olympus prices drop or other
> manufacturers start to trim the fat from their cameras.

While all reports indicate that the Olympus 7-14 f4 is a great lens,
it's expensive. As it's a part of their "Super High Grade" line,
that's unlikely to change. There is also an 11-22mm f2.8-3.5, in the
High Grade (typically $700).

However, you may be intersted to see the "Olympus Lens Roadmap."
There is an "Ultra-wide zoom lens" in the "Standard" line planned
for 2008 release. If the scales can be trusted [*], it looks like
it'll be an 8-16mm lens, but there's been no additional detail
published about it. The other lenses in that range seem to cost
between $200-400 with most of them on the lower end, so that bodes
well for an inexpensive ultra-wide for 4/3rds cameras.

http://www.olympus-esystem.com/dea/products/lens/pdf/zuiko_lens_eng.pdf

-alan

[*] Most of the rest of the ranges are accurately scaled, except for
the 14-42 lens. However, the 14-42 replaced a 14-45 lens, and it
looks like they just changed the 45 to a 42 and left the rest of that
lens's arrow the same.

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"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:02:05 GMT, Juarez <non.DeleteThis@functional.invalid> wrote:
: On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:14:37 -0700, just bob wrote:
:
:
: >
: > Read for yourself
: >
: > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/read_opinions.asp?prodkey=oly_e510
:
: And? All the opinions are positive. I'm asking why I don't see hardly any
: posts about it in this group.

The short answer is "because almost everybody in the group has either Canons
or Nikons". Most of us don't know enough about the E510 to say anything
sensible about it.

Bob
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On 14 Sep 2007 19:12:39 GMT, Marty Fremen <Marty.TakeThisOut@fremen.invalid> wrote:
: SMS <scharf.steven.TakeThisOut@geemail.com> wrote:
:
: > Juarez wrote:
: >> When researching DSLR's recently the one that impressed me the most
: >> for image quality and price was the Olympus EVOLT E-510. I don't see
: >> it getting much love in here though. Why is that?
: >
: > I think the reason the Olympus digital SLRs haven't sold well is
: > because of other issues, such as the lens situation. If you want a true
: > wide-angle lens for a 4:3 camera you're looking at a lot of money.
:
: True. I am attracted to the Olympus SLRs because I want a small light
: camera, and all other DSLRs are bigger and heavier than my 35mm SLR
: despite using smaller sensors, a state of affairs which I consider
: rather perverse. ...

Not so perverse if you take into account that a valid size and weight
comparison between the two requires that the film SLR be equipped with a motor
drive and the battery necessary to power it.

Bob
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