scanning negatives on commercial copier

? "Allen" <allen.TakeThisOut@nothere.net> ?????? ??? ??????
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> JethroUK© wrote:
>> I have access to commercial colour copier/scanner at work - but I notice
>> negative scanners have special clips that hold about 6 negatives at a
>> time
>>
>> is there anything to stop me just putting a strip of colour negatives
>> directly onto the glass & setting it to transparency?
>>
>> how are negatives normal inverted - by the scanner or by software - is
>> there any software that can invert negatives?
> A. No. The scanner must have a light source _behind_ the slide or
> negative; the normal reflected light in scanners won't work.
> B. The software furnished with scanners will take care of that. Also, most
> photo editing programs will flip BW, but I don't know about color.
> Incidentally, color negatives underwent a huge change in, as I recall, in
> the 1970s; the background color was lightened considerably. I haven't done
> any color neg scanning myself because the old color stuff that I scanned
> was in the form of slides.
Yeah, I read in a book (since I was born in 1973) that in that era, you
could get a negative film without an orange mask, and there after it came
*always* with an orange mask.


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In article <g0s5o8$7p7$1@mouse.otenet.gr>, Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
<noone RemoveThis @nospam.void> writes
>
>? "Allen" <allen RemoveThis @nothere.net> ?????? ??? ??????
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>> Incidentally, color negatives underwent a huge change in, as I recall, in
>> the 1970s; the background color was lightened considerably. I haven't done
>> any color neg scanning myself because the old color stuff that I scanned
>> was in the form of slides.
>Yeah, I read in a book (since I was born in 1973) that in that era, you
>could get a negative film without an orange mask, and there after it came
>*always* with an orange mask.
>
I think that Allen was referring to the transition from C-22 to C-41
chemistry compatible emulsions, rather than the introduction of the
orange mask itself, which (without showing my age too much) was more
than a decade earlier.

C-22 films, eg. Kodacolor & Kodacolor-X, had a much deeper orange mask
than C-41 emulsions such as Kodacolor-II and its many derivatives.
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 >> Stay informed about: scanning negatives on commercial copier 

Kennedy McEwen wrote:
> In article <g0s5o8$7p7$1@mouse.otenet.gr>, Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> <noone.RemoveThis@nospam.void> writes
>>
>> ? "Allen" <allen.RemoveThis@nothere.net> ?????? ??? ??????
>> news:4830d496$0$7066$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>> Incidentally, color negatives underwent a huge change in, as I
>>> recall, in
>>> the 1970s; the background color was lightened considerably. I haven't
>>> done
>>> any color neg scanning myself because the old color stuff that I scanned
>>> was in the form of slides.
>> Yeah, I read in a book (since I was born in 1973) that in that era, you
>> could get a negative film without an orange mask, and there after it came
>> *always* with an orange mask.
>>
> I think that Allen was referring to the transition from C-22 to C-41
> chemistry compatible emulsions, rather than the introduction of the
> orange mask itself, which (without showing my age too much) was more
> than a decade earlier.
>
> C-22 films, eg. Kodacolor & Kodacolor-X, had a much deeper orange mask
> than C-41 emulsions such as Kodacolor-II and its many derivatives.
Correct. I used very little color neg film in C-22 days, as the quality
of reasonably priced commercial prints was pretty low. Also, although I
processed many, many rolls of slide film I never got into color neg
processing, lacking a darkroom (very hard to get an enlarger into a
changing bag). I had a darkroom in my parents' house many years ago (I'm
79, so I do mean many), but it went away when I went away. I used rental
darkrooms for BW printing with very good success, but no color.
Allen
 >> Stay informed about: scanning negatives on commercial copier 

In article <4833836c$0$30514$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Allen
<allen.TakeThisOut@nothere.net> writes
>I used very little color neg film in C-22 days, as the quality of
>reasonably priced commercial prints was pretty low. Also, although I
>processed many, many rolls of slide film I never got into color neg
>processing, lacking a darkroom (very hard to get an enlarger into a
>changing bag). I had a darkroom in my parents' house many years ago
>(I'm 79, so I do mean many), but it went away when I went away. I used
>rental darkrooms for BW printing with very good success, but no color.

My first ventures into colour processing were using the C-22 process and
still preferred it for a long while after C-41 came along. The lower
process temperature and longer times were much more amateur friendly
and, although it still had to be maintained very precisely it was easier
to do around 20C compared to 40C. In those terms it was a similar
change as going from E-4 to E-6.

--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)
 >> Stay informed about: scanning negatives on commercial copier 

? "Kennedy McEwen" <rkm.TakeThisOut@nospam.demon.co.uk> ?????? ??? ??????
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> In article <4833836c$0$30514$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Allen
> <allen.TakeThisOut@nothere.net> writes
>>I used very little color neg film in C-22 days, as the quality of
>>reasonably priced commercial prints was pretty low. Also, although I
>>processed many, many rolls of slide film I never got into color neg
>>processing, lacking a darkroom (very hard to get an enlarger into a
>>changing bag). I had a darkroom in my parents' house many years ago (I'm
>>79, so I do mean many), but it went away when I went away. I used rental
>>darkrooms for BW printing with very good success, but no color.
>
> My first ventures into colour processing were using the C-22 process and
> still preferred it for a long while after C-41 came along. The lower
> process temperature and longer times were much more amateur friendly and,
> although it still had to be maintained very precisely it was easier to do
> around 20C compared to 40C. In those terms it was a similar change as
> going from E-4 to E-6.
>
> --
I had a colour darkroom, in Kozani ( a town in the Northwest Macedonia;not
the country, the greek province) and I did slides and colour prints, also
Ilfochromes. I had gotten some Tetenal chemicals, that you could do the RA-4
process at room temperature, also 20 C. Then, the local shop (in Athens)
shut down and I came back to Iraklion, so I started using the Kodak RA-4
Hobby Pak ( and the E-6 Hobby Pak, goes without saying). My photos, except
half a dozen or so, were nothing to write home about.... My digital era
photos, are much better, and produced with much less hassle.....



--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr
 >> Stay informed about: scanning negatives on commercial copier 

On May 18, 6:30 pm, JethroUK© <re... RemoveThis @the.board> wrote:
> I have access to commercial colour copier/scanner at work - but I notice
> negative scanners have special clips that hold about 6 negatives at a time
>
> is there anything to stop me just putting a strip of colour negatives
> directly onto the glass & setting it to transparency?
>
> how are negatives normal inverted - by the scanner or by software - is there
> any software that can invert negatives?

My negative scanner's software has inversion software are part of the
driver. It also has profiles for different types of film. But if you
don't have such software, most popular photo editing software has an
invert function.
 >> Stay informed about: scanning negatives on commercial copier 

In article <g11u94$b6g$1@mouse.otenet.gr>, Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
<noone DeleteThis @nospam.void> writes
>
>? "Kennedy McEwen" <rkm DeleteThis @nospam.demon.co.uk> ?????? ??? ??????
>news:qc$EOiBV3ANIFwXV@kennedym.demon.co.uk...
>> In article <4833836c$0$30514$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Allen
>> <allen DeleteThis @nothere.net> writes
>>>I used very little color neg film in C-22 days, as the quality of
>>>reasonably priced commercial prints was pretty low. Also, although I
>>>processed many, many rolls of slide film I never got into color neg
>>>processing, lacking a darkroom (very hard to get an enlarger into a
>>>changing bag). I had a darkroom in my parents' house many years ago (I'm
>>>79, so I do mean many), but it went away when I went away. I used rental
>>>darkrooms for BW printing with very good success, but no color.
>>
>> My first ventures into colour processing were using the C-22 process and
>> still preferred it for a long while after C-41 came along. The lower
>> process temperature and longer times were much more amateur friendly and,
>> although it still had to be maintained very precisely it was easier to do
>> around 20C compared to 40C. In those terms it was a similar change as
>> going from E-4 to E-6.
>>
>> --
>I had a colour darkroom, in Kozani ( a town in the Northwest Macedonia;not
>the country, the greek province) and I did slides and colour prints, also
>Ilfochromes. I had gotten some Tetenal chemicals, that you could do the RA-4
>process at room temperature, also 20 C. Then, the local shop (in Athens)
>shut down and I came back to Iraklion, so I started using the Kodak RA-4
>Hobby Pak ( and the E-6 Hobby Pak, goes without saying). My photos, except
>half a dozen or so, were nothing to write home about.... My digital era
>photos, are much better, and produced with much less hassle.....
>
Tetenal also did their version of EP-2 chemistry that worked around 20C,
long before RA-4 high speed processing appeared, and in the UK there was
"Photocolor-II" universal C-41 and Ektaprint chemistry that worked at
18-45C by controlling process time. I never found any of these third
party chemistries to be as satisfactory as Kodak's own home process
kits, although I eventually standardised on Fuji paper.

Yes, digital is much simpler and the results are certainly superior -
but after 50 years of progress you would expect them to be!
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)
 >> Stay informed about: scanning negatives on commercial copier 

? "Kennedy McEwen" <rkm.DeleteThis@nospam.demon.co.uk> ?????? ??? ??????
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> In article <g11u94$b6g$1@mouse.otenet.gr>, Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
> <noone.DeleteThis@nospam.void> writes
>>
>>? "Kennedy McEwen" <rkm.DeleteThis@nospam.demon.co.uk> ?????? ??? ??????
>>news:qc$EOiBV3ANIFwXV@kennedym.demon.co.uk...
>>> In article <4833836c$0$30514$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, Allen
>>> <allen.DeleteThis@nothere.net> writes
>>>>I used very little color neg film in C-22 days, as the quality of
>>>>reasonably priced commercial prints was pretty low. Also, although I
>>>>processed many, many rolls of slide film I never got into color neg
>>>>processing, lacking a darkroom (very hard to get an enlarger into a
>>>>changing bag). I had a darkroom in my parents' house many years ago (I'm
>>>>79, so I do mean many), but it went away when I went away. I used rental
>>>>darkrooms for BW printing with very good success, but no color.
>>>
>>> My first ventures into colour processing were using the C-22 process and
>>> still preferred it for a long while after C-41 came along. The lower
>>> process temperature and longer times were much more amateur friendly
>>> and,
>>> although it still had to be maintained very precisely it was easier to
>>> do
>>> around 20C compared to 40C. In those terms it was a similar change as
>>> going from E-4 to E-6.
>>>
>>> --
>>I had a colour darkroom, in Kozani ( a town in the Northwest Macedonia;not
>>the country, the greek province) and I did slides and colour prints, also
>>Ilfochromes. I had gotten some Tetenal chemicals, that you could do the
>>RA-4
>>process at room temperature, also 20 C. Then, the local shop (in Athens)
>>shut down and I came back to Iraklion, so I started using the Kodak RA-4
>>Hobby Pak ( and the E-6 Hobby Pak, goes without saying). My photos, except
>>half a dozen or so, were nothing to write home about.... My digital era
>>photos, are much better, and produced with much less hassle.....
>>
> Tetenal also did their version of EP-2 chemistry that worked around 20C,
> long before RA-4 high speed processing appeared, and in the UK there was
> "Photocolor-II" universal C-41 and Ektaprint chemistry that worked at
> 18-45C by controlling process time. I never found any of these third
> party chemistries to be as satisfactory as Kodak's own home process kits,
> although I eventually standardised on Fuji paper.
>
Yeah, I remember they had EP-2 chemicals and papers, and also R-3 (IIRC),
the one that lets you make a print directly from a slide. I liked the
tetenal cheicals very much. I used Tetenal paper, and then Kodak. When I
went digital, a few years ago, I gave all of it away, to my sister's friend,
paper and all. I got the Ilfochrome kit from a shop in Munich, with detailed
instructions in german, good for practising them:-)
> Yes, digital is much simpler and the results are certainly superior - but
> after 50 years of progress you would expect them to be!
> --
Good, that scientists do so much to improve our life:-) Mobile phones, fast
computers, clean cars and digital photography.



--
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering
mechanized infantry reservist
hordad AT otenet DOT gr
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