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Progressiveabsolution

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:18 am
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I started a topic recently on MF vs. a digital camera with more mp's
such as the 5D or 1DSMKII. One thing I should have mentioned is the
printing technique. So we take the MF setup since that needs scanning
which the digital does not unless you consider the tiny bit of time to
load in images a scan. We take the Nikon 8000/9000 scanners, maybe the
latter since it is the last higher end model to come out as an
available option to those that cannot buy a new BMW each year. We take
a nice Contax 645 setup, say, and we run through some wonderfully
exposed shots via Nikon 9000 and make HUGE files for them. At this
stage, we now have files from the Canon 5d/1DSMKII AND Contax 645. We
put them both through the post-processing to get what we have learned
to be the very best result on a given printing machine. However, we
must rely on a printer such as the Fuji Frontier or maybe a much more
expensive inkjet type. Question now is, rather than deal with
enlargements...what does the final print actually look like when you
have a digital source as Canon 5D/1DSMKII vs. the film source going
through a digital printer??? In other words, doesn't something like
film "require" a special printer to start competing with digital for
the finished product? Or, can the same results be achieved off the
local digital printer???

How much does printing play a part in all the digital and MF film based
images and what must be done with a film based image to get the same
kind of clarity/resolution "on print" as you can with the digital?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 5:55 pm
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There is no technical answer to an aesthetic question.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:38 pm
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"Progressiveabsolution" <progressiveabsolution DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> How much does printing play a part in all the digital and MF film based
> images and what must be done with a film based image to get the same
> kind of clarity/resolution "on print" as you can with the digital?


There's no real difference at this point.

To my way of thinking, there's image capture and then
there's the "back end" -- ie., image processing and printing.

Image capture can be digital, or it can be film+scanner.

The main difference is the number of pixels involved,
which has surprisingly little relationship to the overall
image quality.

Film scans typically have *many* more pixels than
digicam or DSLR captures.

For large prints made from digital captures, folks
start to worry about upsampling algorithms, hoping
to find "the best" among these -- but that's mostly a
goose chase, in my experience.



rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:55 pm
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"Progressiveabsolution" <progressiveabsolution.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I started a topic recently on MF vs. a digital camera with more mp's
> such as the 5D or 1DSMKII. One thing I should have mentioned is the
> printing technique. So we take the MF setup since that needs scanning
> which the digital does not unless you consider the tiny bit of time to
> load in images a scan. We take the Nikon 8000/9000 scanners, maybe the
> latter since it is the last higher end model to come out as an
> available option to those that cannot buy a new BMW each year. We take
> a nice Contax 645 setup, say, and we run through some wonderfully
> exposed shots via Nikon 9000 and make HUGE files for them. At this
> stage, we now have files from the Canon 5d/1DSMKII AND Contax 645. We
> put them both through the post-processing to get what we have learned
> to be the very best result on a given printing machine. However, we
> must rely on a printer such as the Fuji Frontier or maybe a much more
> expensive inkjet type. Question now is, rather than deal with
> enlargements...what does the final print actually look like when you
> have a digital source as Canon 5D/1DSMKII vs. the film source going
> through a digital printer??? In other words, doesn't something like
> film "require" a special printer to start competing with digital for
> the finished product? Or, can the same results be achieved off the
> local digital printer???
>
> How much does printing play a part in all the digital and MF film based
> images and what must be done with a film based image to get the same
> kind of clarity/resolution "on print" as you can with the digital?


Hi.

How long is your piece of string?

Roy G
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:55 pm
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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:38:55 -0400, rafe b <rafeb.RemoveThis@foobar.com> wrote:



>"Progressiveabsolution" <progressiveabsolution.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1159204691.599149.203880@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...

>> How much does printing play a part in all the digital and MF film based
>> images and what must be done with a film based image to get the same
>> kind of clarity/resolution "on print" as you can with the digital?


>There's no real difference at this point.

>To my way of thinking, there's image capture and then
>there's the "back end" -- ie., image processing and printing.

>Image capture can be digital, or it can be film+scanner.

>The main difference is the number of pixels involved,
>which has surprisingly little relationship to the overall
>image quality.

>Film scans typically have *many* more pixels than
>digicam or DSLR captures.

If you're going to go the film+scanner route, aa bigger deal is the quality
of the film processing. Most nowadays are barely better than a 1.5MP camera
unless you get 8x10 prints.


>For large prints made from digital captures, folks
>start to worry about upsampling algorithms, hoping
>to find "the best" among these -- but that's mostly a
>goose chase, in my experience.



>rafe b
>www.terrapinphoto.com
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