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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: B&W printing on Inkjet Archived from groups: rec>photo>digital (more info?)

Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& Thanks >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

Paul Furman

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

jeecee wrote: > Hi all > > I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked > at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll > print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& Borderless 13x19 is nice maybe a more common paper size. My R1800 doesn't have those extra gray inks. I guess they work with both matte & gloss paper unlike the full black. I use Epson semigloss & Moab watercolor papers with great results. Have fun. 9 cartridges at $12 or more each is going to hurt though. >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Jan 28, 6:31 pm, jeecee wrote: > Hi all > > I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked > at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll > print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& > > Thanks Epson's R2400 has a very good reputation for b&w. Most of the newer higher end printers 13 inches and above are designed to print b&w quite well. I'm finding printing with the file in RGB, so I can adjust tonality, and using the RGB profiles works quite well. But a good profile is necessary, in some cases a custom profile maybe what you need as all generic profiles are not created equal. Others swear by monochrome profiling, haven't tried that yet, but it seems you need your own high end profiling system. On several papers I can get excellent results, the ones I have the best profiles for, others are giving me some bronzing. This also tests how well your monitor is calibrated. Good luck Tom >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote: > Hi all > > I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked > at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print > mostly 11x14 so... any tips& > > Thanks Feb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

I use the 2400 for both color and B&W and am very satisfied. It shares the inkset with my big printers. You might want to try Crane Silver Rag paper. Be sure to use the Crane profiles available at their web site. ~Ray jeecee wrote in > Hi all > > I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked > at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll > print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& > > Thanks >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

measekite

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

jeecee wrote: > Hi all > > I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked > at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll > print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& > > Thanks > 3800 and it costs less to operate. >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

measekite

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:39 am Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <br> <br> ray wrote: <pre wrap="">On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& Thanks </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> Feb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" </pre> </blockquote> <br> You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer.<br> </body> </html> >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Feb 1, 11:39 am, measekite wrote: > ray wrote:On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote:Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so.... any tips& ThanksFeb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" > You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer. Why? >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

measekite

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <br> <br> JimKramer wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:90b7c5f8-76aa-49ca-9a18-60628f140ac6@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <inkysti....RemoveThis@oem.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">ray wrote:On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote:Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& ThanksFeb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> Why? </pre> </blockquote> <br> It is pigmented ink<br> Epson ink is very superior for fade resistance<br> Epson ink produces better quality and more color accurate prints. B/W does not have the color tint<br> Epson ink reduces the risk of printhead clogging<br> <br> Other inks can ruin the printhead which is not replaceable.<br> </body> </html> >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

JimKramer

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Feb 1, 6:19 pm, measekite wrote: > JimKramer wrote:On Feb 1, 11:39 am, measekite wrote:ray wrote:On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote:Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& ThanksFeb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer.Why? > It is pigmented ink Most archival inks are. > Epson ink is very superior for fade resistance Based on? > Epson ink produces better quality and more color accurate prints. B/W does not have the color tint Compared to? and that depends on the B&W color set you chose. > Epson ink reduces the risk of printhead clogging Not really. > Other inks can ruin the printhead which is not replaceable. If you want to spend enough it is replaceable, just generally not worth it vs. a new printer. MIS makes some very nice inks for both toned B&W and color printing. I killed an Epson 880 and two 1280's while using MIS inks, because the printers mechanically wore out, not because there was anything wrong with the print head. >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

JimKramer

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Feb 2, 2:59 pm, Paul Furman wrote: > JimKramer wrote: > > On Feb 1, 11:39 am, measekite wrote: > >> You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer. > > > Why? > > You're talking to a guy who's email is inkystinky Jim He's been > making a stink about this issue in the printers group forever. > > > ... > > > I killed an Epson 880 and two 1280's while using MIS inks, because the > > > > > printers mechanically wore out, not because there was anything wrong > > with the print head.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There are plenty of inks that will ruin a printer, you just need to be aware of the chemistry involved in the inkset before you do ruin the printer. >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

JimKramer

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Feb 2, 8:19 pm, measekite wrote: > JimKramer wrote:On Feb 1, 6:19 pm, measekite wrote:JimKramer wrote:On Feb 1, 11:39 am, measekite wrote:ray wrote:On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote:Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& ThanksFeb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer.Why?It is pigmented inkMost archival inks are.Most claim they areEpson ink is very superior for fade resistanceBased on?Wilhelm and other reviewersEpson ink produces better quality and more color accurate prints. B/W does not have the color tintCompared to? and that depends on the B&W color set you chose.Epson ink reduces the risk of printhead cloggingNot really.AbsolutelyOther inks can ruin the printhead which is not replaceable.If you want to spend enough it is replaceable, just generally not worth it vs. a new printer.That makes it not replaceable. With that logic you never will need a new car. You can replace every single part in your car and if parts are not available you can get a design company to make one to order for under $100,000 or you can say it is not replaceable and get a new one.MIS makes some very nice inks for both toned B&W and color printing. I killed an Epson 880 and two 1280's while using MIS inks, because the printers mechanically wore out, not because there was anything wrong with the print head.Like I said if you wanted to settle for lower quality then what you could normally get then that is your prerogative. Those Epson printers are based on dye ink. Those Epson printers based on dye ink worked just fine with the pigment ink supplied by MIS. So you your point would be invalid as I got better results with the non-manufacturer ink than I could have gotten with the manufacturer's ink. >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

Paul Furman

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

JimKramer wrote: > On Feb 1, 11:39 am, measekite wrote: >> You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer. > > Why? You're talking to a guy who's email is inkystinky Jim He's been making a stink about this issue in the printers group forever. > ... > I killed an Epson 880 and two 1280's while using MIS inks, because the > printers mechanically wore out, not because there was anything wrong > with the print head. >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

measekite

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <br> <br> JimKramer wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:180d8dad-d66a-4187-9583-7e18d07b1546@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <inkysti....TakeThisOut@oem.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <inkysti....TakeThisOut@oem.com></a>wrote:ray wrote:On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote:Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& ThanksFeb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer.Why? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">It is pigmented ink </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->Most archival inks are. </pre> </blockquote> Most claim they are<br> <blockquote cite="mid:180d8dad-d66a-4187-9583-7e18d07b1546@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Epson ink is very superior for fade resistance </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->Based on? </pre> </blockquote> Wilhelm and other reviewers<br> <blockquote cite="mid:180d8dad-d66a-4187-9583-7e18d07b1546@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Epson ink produces better quality and more color accurate prints. B/W does not have the color tint </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->Compared to? and that depends on the B&W color set you chose. </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Epson ink reduces the risk of printhead clogging </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->Not really. </pre> </blockquote> Absolutely<br> <blockquote cite="mid:180d8dad-d66a-4187-9583-7e18d07b1546@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Other inks can ruin the printhead which is not replaceable. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!---->If you want to spend enough it is replaceable, just generally not worth it vs. a new printer. </pre> </blockquote> That makes it not replaceable. With that logic you never will need a new car. You can replace every single part in your car and if parts are not available you can get a design company to make one to order for under $100,000 or you can say it is not replaceable and get a new one.<br> <blockquote cite="mid:180d8dad-d66a-4187-9583-7e18d07b1546@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> MIS makes some very nice inks for both toned B&W and color printing. I killed an Epson 880 and two 1280's while using MIS inks, because the printers mechanically wore out, not because there was anything wrong with the print head. </pre> </blockquote> Like I said if you wanted to settle for lower quality then what you could normally get then that is your prerogative. Those Epson printers are based on dye ink. <br> </body> </html> >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

measekite

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: B&W printing on Inkjet [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <br> <br> JimKramer wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:74e6932a-2dfa-4da9-805a-d798b0ceabef@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com" type="cite"> <inkysti... DeleteThis @oem.com></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <inkysti... DeleteThis @oem.com> <inkysti... DeleteThis @oem.com></a>wrote:ray wrote:On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:31:56 -0500, jeecee wrote:Hi all I really need some advices on buying a B&W printer (Inkjet); I lookked at Epson offerings and it seem that the R2400 fills the bill. I'll print mostly 11x14 so... any tips& ThanksFeb. 2008 issue of Shutterbug - pg. 84 - "A New B&W Inkjet Option - Using an Epson R800 or R1800 with B&W 100 percent Carbon MIS Ink" You only want to use Epson ink in an Epson printer.Why?It is pigmented inkMost archival inks are.Most claim they areEpson ink is very superior for fade resistanceBased on?Wilhelm and other reviewersEpson ink produces better quality and more color accurate prints. B/W does not have th e color tintCompared to? and that depends on the B&W color set you chose.Epson ink reduces the risk of printhead cloggingNot really.AbsolutelyOther inks can ruin the printhead which is not replaceable.If you want to spend enough it is replaceable, just generally not worth it vs. a new printer.That makes it not replaceable. With that logic you never will need a new car. You can replace every single part in your car and if parts are not available you can get a design company to make one to order for under $100,000 or you can say it is not replaceable and get a new one.MIS makes some very nice inks for both toned B&W and color printing. I killed an Epson 880 and two 1280's while using MIS inks, because the printers mechanically wore out, not because there was anything wrong with the print head.Like I said if you wanted to settle for lower quality then what you could normally get then that is your prerogative. Those Epson printers are based on dye ink. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> Those Epson printers based on dye ink worked just fine with the pigment ink supplied by MIS. So you your point would be invalid as I got better results with the non-manufacturer ink than I could have gotten with the manufacturer's ink. </pre> </blockquote> <br> You need to have a discerning eye to appreciate the difference in quality. It is just like eating fatty foods and saying you have no problems until you have a heart attack from clogged arteries.<br> </body> </html> >> Stay informed about: B&W printing on Inkjet

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