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Since: Nov 07, 2007 Posts: 22
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:28 pm
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:03:49 -0800, mark.thomas.7 wrote:
> On Nov 15, 12:52 am, SMS 斯蒂文* 夏 <scharf.ste....TakeThisOut@geemail.com> wrote:
>> >http://www.douglasjames.com.au/more-panasonic.htm
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>> No such site.
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> Same here now - worked yesterday - maybe the op hasn't paid his
> bills....
Maybe his filters missed your IP yesterday too.
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Since: Nov 06, 2007 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:36 pm
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agro D-Mac wrote:
> "Deep Reset" <DeepReset DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:PZCdnbmFMvZUGKbanZ2dnUVZ8radnZ2d@bt.com...
>> I don't want to fan any flames here, but I'm genuinely interested in the
>> sort of working distances that P&S cameras are capable of when shooting,
>> say, 1:1 macro.
>> And I mean 1:1, so a subject exactly as wide/tall as the sensor on the
>> camera fills the frame.
>> My experience of P&S macro is that true macro is virtually impossible to
>> light because the subject is too close to the front element, but trying to
>> remain open-minded, I'm happy to be re-educated.
>>
>> Deep.
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> I have a 70 - 200 F/2.8 lens I use on my DSLR (oh yes, I use them a lot!)
> and using a ring between the lens and the body allows me to use the 200mm
> end and come close to getting 1.1. I've never measured it but I may be
> exceeding that magnification. It allows for a more comfortable distance but
> also has the downside of the slightest movement is exaggerated too.
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> I have little or no use for 1:1 macro with the FZ50s but I did buy a #2
> close up Hoya "filter" element for it some time back and it's results were
> acceptable but nothing I'd use for big prints. The issue with the FZ and
> macro is that the "macro" switch only works at relatively wide angle. The
> thought of using the 340mm end of the lens in macro mode, just doesn't
> happen. I'm afraid where very sharp, clear 1:1 macro is concerend, there
> isn't much else but a DSLR that is affordable.
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> Canon make a nice add on lens that gives macro capabilities to some of the
> lenses. It works on any camera with the right filter thread. Not cheap but
> does a good job
Whoaa.... hold the phone.... D-Mac said something that I
actually agree with!!
In all seriousness Doug, did you try the FZ50 with the #2 at
telephoto? In theory at least, with a #2 infinity should be
at about 500mm, which at 300'ish should be pretty close to
1:1 (35mm equiv).
The trouble with closeups of course is that you are adding
an additional optical element, which has it's own
characteristics and may have odd interactions with the
existing glass, so you are perfectly correct to say that the
results won't be as good as a dedicated macro lens. I am
surprised a little though that you say it was acceptible but
not good enough for big prints.
I've never really been happy with closeups myself, but
then I've never bothered using them on good glass. Although
your little panasonic gets bagged out, I know they do have
good lenses, and I would have thought that with it's good
optics, it would have done ok with a closeup filter.
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> Douglas
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Since: Mar 20, 2006 Posts: 35
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:37 pm
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"Marty Fremen" <Marty.DeleteThis@fremen.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Deep Reset" <DeepReset.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to fan any flames here, but I'm genuinely interested in
>> the sort of working distances that P&S cameras are capable of when
>> shooting, say, 1:1 macro.
>> And I mean 1:1, so a subject exactly as wide/tall as the sensor on the
>> camera fills the frame.
>> My experience of P&S macro is that true macro is virtually impossible
>> to light because the subject is too close to the front element, but
>> trying to remain open-minded, I'm happy to be re-educated.
>
> Asking for true 1:1 in sensor terms is a pretty tall order when sensor
> size is so small since you're moving towards the realms of
> photomicrography: I think such a field of view would be hard to achieve
> with a 35mm SLR even using bellows. The actual field of view and image
35mm? As in film? Dead easy, even with rings.
Equally easy with bellows.
50mm lens, non-reversed, 50mm extension. Or there abouts.
So much easier with APS-C.
> resolution are surely the important thing, after all you're unlikely to
> be trying to photograph a smaller object when using a smaller sensor
> camera than a bigger sensor one.
> The Ricoh GX100 can do twice as big as 35mm 1:1, in the tele setting you
What is "35mm 1:1" ?
What do you mean by "twice as big"?
1:1 is 1:1, regardless of sensor size
That is how you define 1:1 - if the objext is x mm wide, the image on the
sensor/film is x mm wide.
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Since: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 74
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:09 pm
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Since: Feb 03, 2006 Posts: 59
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:38 pm
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In rec.photo.digital Marty Fremen <Marty DeleteThis @fremen.invalid> wrote:
> size is so small since you're moving towards the realms of
> photomicrography: I think such a field of view would be hard to achieve
> with a 35mm SLR even using bellows.
Not too hard really. My longer bellows has an extension of
290mm. With a 32mm B&L Micro Tessar, that will get you
around 8 times magnification or a field of view of 3mm x 4.5mm.
Peter.
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Since: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 74
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:52 pm
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Since: Apr 19, 2007 Posts: 165
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:01 am
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Since: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 15
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 am
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Douglas wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:03:49 -0800, mark.thomas.7 wrote:
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>> On Nov 15, 12:52 am, SMS 斯蒂文* 夏 <scharf.ste....TakeThisOut@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/more-panasonic.htm
>>> No such site.
>> Same here now - worked yesterday - maybe the op hasn't paid his
>> bills....
>
> Maybe his filters missed your IP yesterday too.
>
>
>
HIS?? HIS??
Did you forget to open the sock drawer before making this post?
Record this knucklehead >> Stay informed about: More Panasonic P&S perfection |
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Since: Nov 15, 2007 Posts: 15
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 am
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Douglas wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:43:01 +1100, The Vintage Monk wrote:
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>>> Kill file broke again is it?
>> Are you talking to yourself? Why don't you just check to see if the
>> killfile is broken.
>
>
> Well Monk(ey) that was until I started collecting evidence about you.
> Had you resiprocated as your post prior to that suggested, I'd have just
> ignored you. Not now. Now I'm recording you. What a nice job of self
> incrimination you are doing too!
>
Another member just pointed out to me, if you had me killfiled like you
said you did how did you know I reciprocated.
I hope for your sake when we go to court the judge doesn't ask you to
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Since: Jan 06, 2007 Posts: 14
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 am
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Douggie AKA:
"ARMCHAIR PHOTOGRAPHER SPOTTER!" <spamless DeleteThis @antispam.net>
Among other drivel wrote:
> Considering that only idiots buy DSLRs ...
He has also told us he owns a D20.
Only idiots buy DSLRs?
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Since: Sep 14, 2005 Posts: 723
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 am
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"gerrit" <gthart DeleteThis @sad.au> wrote in message
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> Douggie AKA:
> "ARMCHAIR PHOTOGRAPHER SPOTTER!" <spamless DeleteThis @antispam.net>
> Among other drivel wrote:
>> Considering that only idiots buy DSLRs ...
>
> He has also told us he owns a D20.
>
> Only idiots buy DSLRs?
>
> Gerrit
>
And the 5D of course, what an idiot. >> Stay informed about: More Panasonic P&S perfection |
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Since: Nov 07, 2007 Posts: 22
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:18 am
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:35:27 +1100, Pete D wrote:
> "gerrit" <gthart DeleteThis @sad.au> wrote in message
> news:473d3e1c$0$29097$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Douggie AKA:
>> "ARMCHAIR PHOTOGRAPHER SPOTTER!" <spamless DeleteThis @antispam.net> Among other
>> drivel wrote:
>>> Considering that only idiots buy DSLRs ...
>>
>> He has also told us he owns a D20.
>>
>> Only idiots buy DSLRs?
>>
>> Gerrit
>>
> And the 5D of course, what an idiot.
Oh but wait here's more idiotic purchasing going on right now... I've
decided to get out of Canon gear entirely. I pre-ordered Nikons. I'll
miss the 5D but I'm sure the D3 will be every bit as good and have some
decent advantages over the Canons. The brief (10 shot) play I had was an
eye opener.
I also use a Fujifilm s5 for most work at weddings but recognize that the
Panasonic FZ50 is capable of capturing images when the DSLRs simply bomb
out. That's why I regard them so highly.
Douglas
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Since: Apr 19, 2007 Posts: 165
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:34 am
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Since: Nov 30, 2007 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:17 pm
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On Nov 15, 9:14 pm, "Sosumi" <sos....TakeThisOut@home.nl> wrote:
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> > Now, what were you saying about red and yellow and panasonic?
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> > I can offer you a solution to your problem. It's commonly refered to
> > as... RTFM. Custom functions, mate... That's what they are there for!
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> So? Where are the red and yellow bright flower close ups??
> I do see the washed out skin tones and the washed out whites and skies. You
> just end up proofing my point. Thanks!
ah well:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/John/Red.jpg
for some true reds and about to be washed out skies!
then again, it's film: it's got correct colours, without
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Since: Nov 04, 2007 Posts: 1328
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:55 pm
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:17:04 -0800 (PST), Noons <wizofoz2k.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
wrote in
<9a08024d-37df-4026-bc9d-d5610d676bb9.TakeThisOut@s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>:
>On Nov 15, 9:14 pm, "Sosumi" <sos....TakeThisOut@home.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Now, what were you saying about red and yellow and panasonic?
>>
>> > I can offer you a solution to your problem. It's commonly refered to
>> > as... RTFM. Custom functions, mate... That's what they are there for!
>>
>> So? Where are the red and yellow bright flower close ups??
>> I do see the washed out skin tones and the washed out whites and skies. You
>> just end up proofing my point. Thanks!
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>ah well:
>http://members.iinet.net.au/~nsouto/photos/John/Red.jpg
>for some true reds and about to be washed out skies!
>
>then again, it's film: it's got correct colours, without
>the need for filtering or PS adjustments...
NO image has "correct" colors -- ALL images are only rough
approximations of reality.
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Best regards,
John Navas
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