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"Alan Browne" <alan1browne.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1) I've been anticipating this for the last couple years (and hoping it
> would not happen).

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>
> Hopefully, Sony remain out of the 4/3 market!
>
> Hopefully Sony will develop Maxxum/Dynax mount lenses... perhaps with
> Tamron, perhaps even with Carl Zeiss.
>
> So, now do I get a 5D ... Canon that is?
>
> Cheers,
> Alan.
>
Nothing wrong with the 4/3 system. It is both logical and practical.
As a long time Canon user and Nikon owner, I'd think a backward step for you
would be a 5D. I have one of these creatures and it is nothing more or less
than a glorified 10D with a huge image size. I much prefer my E300 stuff. In
fact most of my poster prints on canvas that sell well are from the E300!

The 5D is sadly lacking in areas of basic functionality that other camera
makers addressed long ago. Simple things like accurate flash metering are
not part of the 5Ds better points. D200 is the legend of the future.
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Douglas wrote:
> "Skip M" <shadowcatcher DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
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> Moving further on... The fabled and soon to be thrown overboard 580 EX
> Speedlite must surely be Canon's main source of embarrasment. This
> self opinionated company has seen fit to produce a camera without an
> inbuilt flash while at the same time making the hot shoe, so voltage
> sensitive that an owner cannot buy flash guns with legendary
> capabilities and exposure accuracy Canon have yet to equal (like Metz
> CT series) and expect NOT to fry the camera when they connect it.

??
I've connected flash to my Canon DSLRs many many thousands of times...and
have never had a problem...and certainly nothing as you describe.
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Mark² wrote:
> Douglas wrote:
>
>>"Skip M" <shadowcatcher DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
>>news:24Uzf.12036$sA3.2708@fed1read02...
>
>
>>Moving further on... The fabled and soon to be thrown overboard 580 EX
>>Speedlite must surely be Canon's main source of embarrasment. This
>>self opinionated company has seen fit to produce a camera without an
>>inbuilt flash while at the same time making the hot shoe, so voltage
>>sensitive that an owner cannot buy flash guns with legendary
>>capabilities and exposure accuracy Canon have yet to equal (like Metz
>>CT series) and expect NOT to fry the camera when they connect it.
>
>
> ??
> I've connected flash to my Canon DSLRs many many thousands of times...and
> have never had a problem...and certainly nothing as you describe.
>
Er, ah, Douglas, might this be the infamous fry the camera by shooting
in very high temperatures and humidity several hundred exposures in a
row kinda thing? Or, was that quite different?

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"And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust"
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On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 19:08:24 -0800, John McWilliams
<jpmcw DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:

>Mark² wrote:
>> Douglas wrote:
>>
>>>"Skip M" <shadowcatcher DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
>>>news:24Uzf.12036$sA3.2708@fed1read02...
>>
>>
>>>Moving further on... The fabled and soon to be thrown overboard 580 EX
>>>Speedlite must surely be Canon's main source of embarrasment. This
>>>self opinionated company has seen fit to produce a camera without an
>>>inbuilt flash while at the same time making the hot shoe, so voltage
>>>sensitive that an owner cannot buy flash guns with legendary
>>>capabilities and exposure accuracy Canon have yet to equal (like Metz
>>>CT series) and expect NOT to fry the camera when they connect it.
>>
>>
>> ??
>> I've connected flash to my Canon DSLRs many many thousands of times...and
>> have never had a problem...and certainly nothing as you describe.
>>
>Er, ah, Douglas, might this be the infamous fry the camera by shooting
>in very high temperatures and humidity several hundred exposures in a
>row kinda thing? Or, was that quite different?

No, it's a little different.
Many *older( flash units use a high triger voltage. The new DSLRs
expect a lower voltage, and the higher voltage can fry the internals
of the DSLRs.
But those older flashes won't "talk to" the newer cameras, and must be
used in manual mode (or thyristor squelch mode) and are much less
functional than the newer flashes made for digital cameras anyway.

--
Bill Funk
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"Skip M" <shadowcatcher.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:

>Let me clarify that. Flash metering, is, indeed, not a strong point of any
>Canon, and a continuing source of frustration for me. But it works better
>than the 20D, that's for sure. That is the only weak point in the armor of
>the 5D, as far as I'm concerned. It certainly is not lacking in "certain
>areas of basic functionality," as is stated here...


Agree 100%. The Canon EOS 5D is an excellent working tool.

Plus, I "solved" the "flash problem" by using my Metz 45 CL-4 in
non-TTL auto mode. It works just fine.


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"Alan Browne" <alan1browne DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1) I've been anticipating this for the last couple years (and hoping it
> would not happen).
> Nothing to fear really as my cameras all still work.
>
> 2) K-M should at least receive kudos for transferring the Maxxum/Dynax
> technology to Sony. Unlike others who have simply exited the business
> and left everyone in the lurch.
>
> 3) If Sony release an SLR this summer for Maxxum/Dynax lenses, I
> suspect it will be based on the same 10 Mpix sensor as the Nikon D200.
> Nothing at all wrong with that.
>
> Beyond that...
>
> Hopefully Sony will be strongly inspired by the Maxxum 9, 7 and 7D in
> their DSLR designs. This is extremely important to the way I shoot.
>
> Hopefully Sony will employ the Anti-Shake technology as well (not
> mentioned in the press release, alas).
>
> Hopefully, Sony will continue with the same flash interface (and
> wireless, and so on) as the Maxxum standard ...
>
> Hopefully, Sony remain out of the 4/3 market!
>
> Hopefully Sony will develop Maxxum/Dynax mount lenses... perhaps with
> Tamron, perhaps even with Carl Zeiss.

Sony's lens making abilities are impressive when it comes to their
camcorders. Most of their compact cameras have impressive lenses and their
auto everything exposure systems aren't easily fooled. Their super zooms
for the hybrid dslr market are good, considering all the necessary
compromises in design they are good. Sony seem to have stuck with ccd
whereas canon have a proven track record with cmos. Sony have optical
stabilisaton for their camcorders and digicams as well as software IS for
their low end digicams. I think the K-M system would make a fine addition.
The superior handling of K-M designs may conflict with the small and sleek
company ethos rather than the big and chunky yet functional mantra of K-M.
All in all K-M could be in worse hands.

Pentax are with Samsung now and Nikon use Sony CCD. That just leaves
olympus out in the cold. They could do with help from a large electronics
giant. I wonder if panasonic would be interested. Or perhaps sigma should
drop their own bodies and stick to lenses and stay by olympus.

K-M had the technology but were way too slow to bring it to market and lost
too many devotees who couldn't wait and jumped to canon and nikon. The
product turnover couldn't compete with the juggernaught that is canon.
Canons other businesses could carry a poor performing section such as the
low return on the photobusiness and justify it as a showcase of canon
technologies.

All over the photographic market is contracting. Hassalblad almost gone.
Bronica gone. Ilford in receivership. Kodak pulling out of lab processing.
Agfa limping along. The inkjet papers and minilabs are going from konica.
The retail industry suffering too. Camera phones biting into compact
markets. Ordinary electronic stores competing with photoretailers. Then
the internet price wars. I suspect the remains of the photomarket will be
swallowed by the consumer electronics stores. There will be more takeovers
partnerships and amalgamations as those still in the business fight to
survive over shrinking market.
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On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 01:04:53 GMT, "ian lincoln" <dragonslayer RemoveThis @whocares.com>
wrote (in part):

>
> Sony seem to have stuck with ccd
>whereas canon have a proven track record with cmos.

The sensor in the Nikon D2X is a Sony CMOS chip. So is the sensor in Sony's
DSC-R1. Sony also makes CMOS-based webcams and high quality video cameras, and
CMOS sensors for cameras built into cell phones.

They have not 'stuck with ccd', although they certainly dominate the CCD sensor
market, and their 'track record with cmos' is as 'proven' as Canon's.

All of this information is easily found on the 'Net, as is the fact that Sony
does not make lenses. It seems some people have very little respect for
themselves and others, and none at all for truth.
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ian lincoln wrote:

>
> That just leaves
> olympus out in the cold. They could do with help from a large electronics
> giant. I wonder if panasonic would be interested.

Guess you missed that press release.
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Skip M wrote:

> The 5D is considerably better
> than the 20D was, but it still isn't what it should be.
>

No camera is perfect. The user has to choose what features are important to
them and chose a camera accordingly.

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Stacey
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Alan Browne wrote:

> 1) I've been anticipating this for the last couple years (and hoping it
> would not happen).
>

And yet people are still ranting that 4/3's is dead?
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Stacey
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Screw it. Get the 5D. I have a gut feeling that Canon's in this for the long
haul. There was a K-M rep posting on one of the DP Review boards, and as
late as january 16th, he was singing the praises of K-M's upcoming
enhancements to the 7D. Right. How could he not know?

Quite the little upheaval we've got going here, no? I enjoy reading history,
and always wondered what it might have been like to live through the
industrial revolution of the later 1800s and into the early 1900s. Well, I
now know. Along with the good comes some bad, and usually in the form of the
disappearance of things that were familiar. One thing I've learned is that a
sunk cost is a sunk cost. Once a product line has been orphaned, it's over.
In this case, I think I would dump the gear while it has value, move to a
more stable brand, and don't look back. Sony has yet to make any indication
that they plan to provide any cams in the pro range. Unless Sony provides
some indication, and soon, I think it best to move on, if you can.
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maxsilverstar.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> Sony seem to have stuck with ccd
>> whereas canon have a proven track record with cmos.
>
> The sensor in the Nikon D2X is a Sony CMOS chip. So is the sensor in Sony's
> DSC-R1. Sony also makes CMOS-based webcams and high quality video cameras,
> and CMOS sensors for cameras built into cell phones.
>
> All of this information is easily found on the 'Net, as is the fact that
> Sony does not make lenses. It seems some people have very little respect
> for themselves and others, and none at all for truth.

Do you know who makes the Zeiss-branded lenses on many Sony digicams
and videocamcorders? Cosina under license?

Somehow the DSC-R1's use of CMOS sensor had escaped my notice.
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