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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:56 pm
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Blimy, I hate "design" when customers interests are secondary. Kodak's
download mechanism is case in hand.
It's a "Web Install". What does that mean you ask?
Well everytime one wants to connect the camera to a "new/different" pc
(visiting friends etc. as example) one must do another download. One can't
simply download the installation file(s) the one time and save them tyo cd
but instead one's expected to do it for every required pc.
Now how's that in customers best interest? Geez, you'll send me a cd (if I
pay) that has all supported OS on it yet cd comes with camera doesn't!!!!
What message does that send?
Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk drive.
Kodak, that design doesn't make you money but instead costs you money, e.g.
I'm not even looking at any Kodak digital camcorder(s) as you've already
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:56 pm
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:48:11 +0000, pjp wrote:
> Blimy, I hate "design" when customers interests are secondary. Kodak's
> download mechanism is case in hand.
>
> It's a "Web Install". What does that mean you ask?
>
> Well everytime one wants to connect the camera to a "new/different" pc
> (visiting friends etc. as example) one must do another download. One can't
> simply download the installation file(s) the one time and save them tyo cd
> but instead one's expected to do it for every required pc.
>
> Now how's that in customers best interest? Geez, you'll send me a cd (if I
> pay) that has all supported OS on it yet cd comes with camera doesn't!!!!
> What message does that send?
>
> Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk drive.
>
> Kodak, that design doesn't make you money but instead costs you money, e.g.
> I'm not even looking at any Kodak digital camcorder(s) as you've already
> proven you can't be trusted.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:56 pm
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On Mar 19, 8:41 am, "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com>
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> "ray" <r... RemoveThis @zianet.com> wrote in message
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> news:pan.2007.03.19.17.52.19.829245@zianet.com...
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> > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:48:11 +0000, pjp wrote:
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> > > Blimy, I hate "design" when customers interests are secondary. Kodak's
> > > download mechanism is case in hand.
>
> > > It's a "Web Install". What does that mean you ask?
>
> > > Well everytime one wants to connect the camera to a "new/different" pc
> > > (visiting friends etc. as example) one must do another download. One
> can't
> > > simply download the installation file(s) the one time and save them tyo
> cd
> > > but instead one's expected to do it for every required pc.
>
> > > Now how's that in customers best interest? Geez, you'll send me a cd (if
> I
> > > pay) that has all supported OS on it yet cd comes with camera
> doesn't!!!!
> > > What message does that send?
>
> > > Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk
> drive.
>
> > > Kodak, that design doesn't make you money but instead costs you money,
> e.g.
> > > I'm not even looking at any Kodak digital camcorder(s) as you've already
> > > proven you can't be trusted.
>
> > Quite simple to pack an inexpensive card reader with the camera.
>
> If that's the "fix" then include it with the camera is my frame of mind
Most of use already have a card reader and would not want to have to
pay for another one
when buying a new camera. Sort of the same argument as to why DSLRs
don't come
with a memory card, most people already have memory when they buy a
DSLR.
Scott >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:56 pm
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"ray" <ray.RemoveThis@zianet.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:48:11 +0000, pjp wrote:
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> > Blimy, I hate "design" when customers interests are secondary. Kodak's
> > download mechanism is case in hand.
> >
> > It's a "Web Install". What does that mean you ask?
> >
> > Well everytime one wants to connect the camera to a "new/different" pc
> > (visiting friends etc. as example) one must do another download. One
can't
> > simply download the installation file(s) the one time and save them tyo
cd
> > but instead one's expected to do it for every required pc.
> >
> > Now how's that in customers best interest? Geez, you'll send me a cd (if
I
> > pay) that has all supported OS on it yet cd comes with camera
doesn't!!!!
> > What message does that send?
> >
> > Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk
drive.
> >
> > Kodak, that design doesn't make you money but instead costs you money,
e.g.
> > I'm not even looking at any Kodak digital camcorder(s) as you've already
> > proven you can't be trusted.
>
> Quite simple to pack an inexpensive card reader with the camera.
>
If that's the "fix" then include it with the camera is my frame of mind. >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:16 pm
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In article <v1ALh.12374$PV3.127856@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
pjpoirier_is_located_at_.DeleteThis@_hotmail_._com says...
> Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk drive.
It's either your system or operator error. I have an XP system and both
my DX6490 and P850 show up as removable drives when plugged in to the
USB port. Of course it is a low speed USM connection and very slow.
Why not just but a card reader? I can get a high speed card reader at
Walmart for under $10. As an added bonus I'm not wasting the battery
while downloading pictures. Also the camera isn't tied up so you can go
shoot more pictures. >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:56 pm
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"KenJr" <kennyjr.RemoveThis@NOSPAMatlanticbb.net> wrote in message
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> In article <v1ALh.12374$PV3.127856@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
> pjpoirier_is_located_at_.RemoveThis@_hotmail_._com says...
> > Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk
drive.
>
> It's either your system or operator error. I have an XP system and both
> my DX6490 and P850 show up as removable drives when plugged in to the
> USB port. Of course it is a low speed USM connection and very slow.
Hard to have "operator error" for this. And on 3 XP-Pro SP2 pc's here, they
all demanded a driver before device was recognized.
> Why not just but a card reader? I can get a high speed card reader at
> Walmart for under $10. As an added bonus I'm not wasting the battery
> while downloading pictures. Also the camera isn't tied up so you can go
> shoot more pictures.
Spend more money to use product rather than fix a deficiency, that is the
American way now isn't it. Something I personally detest and hope/trust will
come back to haunt them in the future. >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:26 am
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ray wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:48:11 +0000, pjp wrote:
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>> Blimy, I hate "design" when customers interests are secondary. Kodak's
>> download mechanism is case in hand.
>>
>> It's a "Web Install". What does that mean you ask?
>>
>> Well everytime one wants to connect the camera to a "new/different" pc
>> (visiting friends etc. as example) one must do another download. One can't
>> simply download the installation file(s) the one time and save them tyo cd
>> but instead one's expected to do it for every required pc.
>>
>> Now how's that in customers best interest? Geez, you'll send me a cd (if I
>> pay) that has all supported OS on it yet cd comes with camera doesn't!!!!
>> What message does that send?
>>
>> Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk drive.
>>
>> Kodak, that design doesn't make you money but instead costs you money, e.g.
>> I'm not even looking at any Kodak digital camcorder(s) as you've already
>> proven you can't be trusted.
>
> Quite simple to pack an inexpensive card reader with the camera.
>
Also, the necessary drivers are in all WinXP (and later) OS
installations, so the only computers the cameras will not connect to are
older Windows versions, and older Mac versions. Those constitute a
rather small percentage of computers available, so the complaint is
largely without merit.
The Kodak software isn't anything to get excited about, and you will
find transfers go much faster with a card reader. >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:59 am
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KenJr wrote:
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> In article <v1ALh.12374$PV3.127856@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
> pjpoirier_is_located_at_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail_._com says...
> > Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk drive.
>
> It's either your system or operator error. I have an XP system and both
> my DX6490 and P850 show up as removable drives when plugged in to the
> USB port. Of course it is a low speed USM connection and very slow.
>
> Why not just but a card reader? I can get a high speed card reader at
> Walmart for under $10. As an added bonus I'm not wasting the battery
> while downloading pictures. Also the camera isn't tied up so you can go
> shoot more pictures.
Hello, Ken:
I own a P850 and DX6490 (among several other Kodak digicams), too.
Small world, eh? <g>
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.TakeThisOut@concentric.net> >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:59 am
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pjp wrote:
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> Blimy, I hate "design" when customers interests are secondary. Kodak's
> download mechanism is case in hand.
>
> It's a "Web Install". What does that mean you ask?
>
> Well everytime one wants to connect the camera to a "new/different" pc
> (visiting friends etc. as example) one must do another download. One can't
> simply download the installation file(s) the one time and save them tyo cd
> but instead one's expected to do it for every required pc.
>
> Now how's that in customers best interest? Geez, you'll send me a cd (if I
> pay) that has all supported OS on it yet cd comes with camera doesn't!!!!
> What message does that send?
>
> Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk drive.
>
> Kodak, that design doesn't make you money but instead costs you money, e.g.
> I'm not even looking at any Kodak digital camcorder(s) as you've already
> proven you can't be trusted.
Hello, PJP:
Kodak won't be going away, anytime soon.  You don't really need the
EasyShare software, either, as your particular camera doesn't shoot RAW.
(My P850 >does<, however, so that's why I installed the Kodak program.)
As many newsgroup members have already advised you, merely buy a cheap,
portable USB card reader, in order to transfer images to your PC (or to
others' computers). Then, you may use any application(s) you desire, to
organize and edit the pictures.
Good luck!
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.RemoveThis@concentric.net> >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:58 am
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On 2007-03-19 16:50:51 -0700, "pjp"
<pjpoirier_is_located_at_ DeleteThis @_hotmail_._com> said:
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> "KenJr" <kennyjr DeleteThis @NOSPAMatlanticbb.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2068e3d29ff7adfa989693@news.atlanticbb.net...
>> In article <v1ALh.12374$PV3.127856@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
>> pjpoirier_is_located_at_ DeleteThis @_hotmail_._com says...
>>> Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk
> drive.
>>
>> It's either your system or operator error. I have an XP system and both
>> my DX6490 and P850 show up as removable drives when plugged in to the
>> USB port. Of course it is a low speed USM connection and very slow.
>
> Hard to have "operator error" for this. And on 3 XP-Pro SP2 pc's here, they
> all demanded a driver before device was recognized.
>
>> Why not just but a card reader? I can get a high speed card reader at
>> Walmart for under $10. As an added bonus I'm not wasting the battery
>> while downloading pictures. Also the camera isn't tied up so you can go
>> shoot more pictures.
>
> Spend more money to use product rather than fix a deficiency, that is the
> American way now isn't it. Something I personally detest and hope/trust will
> come back to haunt them in the future.
Must be the Japanese way and the German way, too. Get a card reader and
shut up.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 9:19 am
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:59:34 -0500, John Turco wrote:
> pjp wrote:
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>> Blimy, I hate "design" when customers interests are secondary. Kodak's
>> download mechanism is case in hand.
>>
>> It's a "Web Install". What does that mean you ask?
>>
>> Well everytime one wants to connect the camera to a "new/different" pc
>> (visiting friends etc. as example) one must do another download. One can't
>> simply download the installation file(s) the one time and save them tyo cd
>> but instead one's expected to do it for every required pc.
>>
>> Now how's that in customers best interest? Geez, you'll send me a cd (if I
>> pay) that has all supported OS on it yet cd comes with camera doesn't!!!!
>> What message does that send?
>>
>> Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk drive.
>>
>> Kodak, that design doesn't make you money but instead costs you money, e.g.
>> I'm not even looking at any Kodak digital camcorder(s) as you've already
>> proven you can't be trusted.
>
>
> Hello, PJP:
>
> Kodak won't be going away, anytime soon. You don't really need the
> EasyShare software, either, as your particular camera doesn't shoot RAW.
> (My P850 >does<, however, so that's why I installed the Kodak program.)
What does using Kodak software have to do with accessing raw? I have a
P850 and use Linux. I generally read the flash card with a card reader and
convert from raw using ufraw.
>
> As many newsgroup members have already advised you, merely buy a cheap,
> portable USB card reader, in order to transfer images to your PC (or to
> others' computers). Then, you may use any application(s) you desire, to
> organize and edit the pictures.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> Cordially,
> John Turco <jtur RemoveThis @concentric.net> >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:06 am
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:58:26 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
> On 2007-03-19 16:50:51 -0700, "pjp"
> <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ DeleteThis @_hotmail_._com> said:
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>> "KenJr" <kennyjr DeleteThis @NOSPAMatlanticbb.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.2068e3d29ff7adfa989693@news.atlanticbb.net...
>>> In article <v1ALh.12374$PV3.127856@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
>>> pjpoirier_is_located_at_ DeleteThis @_hotmail_._com says...
>>>> Same idiocy as camera is not natively seen as simply a removable disk
>> drive.
>>>
>>> It's either your system or operator error. I have an XP system and both
>>> my DX6490 and P850 show up as removable drives when plugged in to the
>>> USB port. Of course it is a low speed USM connection and very slow.
>>
>> Hard to have "operator error" for this. And on 3 XP-Pro SP2 pc's here, they
>> all demanded a driver before device was recognized.
>>
>>> Why not just but a card reader? I can get a high speed card reader at
>>> Walmart for under $10. As an added bonus I'm not wasting the battery
>>> while downloading pictures. Also the camera isn't tied up so you can go
>>> shoot more pictures.
>>
>> Spend more money to use product rather than fix a deficiency, that is the
>> American way now isn't it. Something I personally detest and hope/trust will
>> come back to haunt them in the future.
>
> Must be the Japanese way and the German way, too. Get a card reader and
> shut up.
One of the first things I got with my first digital camera (about the same
time as the NiMH batteries) was a card reader - it is much more convenient. >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:26 pm
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On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:58:26 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
>> Spend more money to use product rather than fix a deficiency,
>> that is the American way now isn't it. Something I personally
>> detest and hope/trust will come back to haunt them in the future.
>
> Must be the Japanese way and the German way, too. Get a card reader
> and shut up.
That's not a very nice thing to say. But as a reply to "pjp" it's
entirely appropriate! If only Alley Oop could be called on to
knuckle his head with a 2x4.  >> Stay informed about: Kodak, here's hoping/trusting you'll be gone soon... |
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ASAAR wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:58:26 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
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>>> Spend more money to use product rather than fix a deficiency,
>>> that is the American way now isn't it. Something I personally
>>> detest and hope/trust will come back to haunt them in the future.
>> Must be the Japanese way and the German way, too. Get a card reader
>> and shut up.
>
> That's not a very nice thing to say. But as a reply to "pjp" it's
> entirely appropriate! If only Alley Oop could be called on to
> knuckle his head with a 2x4.
>
I have no knowledge of the specific camera that has pip tied up in
knots, but I assume that. like most p&s, it came with a whopping 16 mb
card. I wonder if he replaced it, or is he connecting the camera to the
computer every 3 or 4 exposures.
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On 2007-03-24 13:52:37 -0700, Allen <allen.DeleteThis@nothere.net> said:
> ASAAR wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:58:26 -0700, C J Campbell wrote:
>>
>>>> Spend more money to use product rather than fix a deficiency,
>>>> that is the American way now isn't it. Something I personally
>>>> detest and hope/trust will come back to haunt them in the future.
>>> Must be the Japanese way and the German way, too. Get a card reader
>>> and shut up.
>>
>> That's not a very nice thing to say. But as a reply to "pjp" it's
>> entirely appropriate! If only Alley Oop could be called on to
>> knuckle his head with a 2x4.
>>
>
> I have no knowledge of the specific camera that has pip tied up in
> knots, but I assume that. like most p&s, it came with a whopping 16 mb
> card. I wonder if he replaced it, or is he connecting the camera to the
> computer every 3 or 4 exposures.
> Allen
Probably gripes when his car runs out of gas, too. Thinks it is the
"American way" that you have to pay to fill your tank again.
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