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DBLEXPOSURE

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:39 pm
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Thanks harry, Appreciate hearing that,

I am not looking to move the scanner, I simply don't use it much so if
anyone needs one and get use out of it, the deal stands.

Good luck with your Coolscan.


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>> >> Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
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>> >> > On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:59:36 -0400, ZalekBloom wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
>> >> >> Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
>> >> >> monitor.
>> >> >> Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
>> >> >> I don't want to spend more then $300.
>> >> >> Looking on the Web I found:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
>> >> >> Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
>> >> >> Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
>> >> >> Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
>> >> >> Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
>> >> >> Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Which one you recommend?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Zalek
>> >> >
>> >> > You can also find some good Epson scanners on the Epson web site -
>> >> > neighborhood of $150 or less - the 4490 I have works fine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Scanning takes a LONG time - better to have a commercial outfit do
> them
>> >> > for you if your time is worth anything.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I have a Minolta DiMAGE Scan Dual4 that I do not use anymore, I
>> >> would
>> > let
>> >> it go cheap.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> PZ
>> >> www.imagequest.ifp3.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> > how much and where are you?
>> > Hp
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Right now I am a deployed Soldier but I wll be home to South Dakota in
>> six
>> weeks or so. Price is Make an offer, I really don't use it anymore. It
>> does have one quirk I need to disclose, From time to time the tractor
>> feed
>> sticks, all you need to do is give it a tap and it will then advance to
> the
>> next slide. But, you cannot leave it un attended when doing a batch of
> six.
>> You have to unstick it when it gets hung up or it will just sit and grind
>> away.
>>
>> With that in mind and if you can wait until I get home, I am thinking in
>> the $200 ball park.
>>
>> PZ
>> www.imagequest.ifp3.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
> It's a good price but I'll pass, I really need the thing now. I'm going to
> buy the coolscan this weekend. I saw the one that you have go on ebay for
> about $250+ so I'd sell it there if I were you. Good to hear you are
> coming
> home and thanks for looking out for us.
>
> Harry
>
>

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:02 am
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"David Dyer-Bennet" <dd-b DeleteThis @dd-b.net> wrote in message
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> jeremy wrote:
>
>> I have the PrimeFilm PF3650Pro3, but I notice that it has been removed
>> from both the Amazon site and from the manufacturer's site
>> (www.scanace.com). I'm wondering if it has been withdrawn? It has
>> Digital ICE3, it scans an entire roll of uncut negatives (so I can just
>> let it scan automatically while I do something else), it scans individual
>> slides, and it has 3600 optical resolution, which is more than the
>> original Kokak "Photo CD" had (2048 x 3072).
>
> That resolution (if taken literally) is adequate for nearly anything
> (certainly unless you have slides shot on very lowspeed films, on a
> tripod, with first-rate lenses Smile).
>
> The entire uncut roll thing sounds *so great* -- except that all the film
> I need to scan is already cut into strips of 1, 4, 5, or 6 frames. (The
> "1" is mounted slides, and I do have the slide feeder for my Nikon
> Coolscan 5000 ED).
>
> Also, the rare times I've had films returned uncut, it's been *much* more
> scratched up, probably from what they did to get the entire strip into a
> protective plastic sleeve, or else what they did to coil it up in the film
> can. So I don't think I'd have film returned uncut even if I were still
> shooting film. If I were processing it myself I'd probably scan it before
> cutting, though, if I had such a scanner.

I have my film returned uncut so I can avoid having to stay with the scanner
and keep on inserting strips.

The first pass is pre-scan. That takes about 1 minute per frame. I can
walk away and come back in half an hour, then select the images I want to
have fully-scanned, I can rotate any of them that require it and I can turn
on ICE3/ROC/GEM. Then the full scanning process begins. I can walk away
again, for about 2 hours, and the roll is done.

The ability to scan an entire roll makes the long scan time acceptable.

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:09 pm
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ZalekBloom.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
> Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
> monitor.

If you're going to the trouble to scan a negative you might as well get
a reasonably good scanner so that you can print if desired. IOW avoid
the flatbed scanners and go for a dedicated film scanner. 3000 - 4000
dpi scan resolution is enough but look for first version (not the "II")
of the Minolta 5400 as well which can be had used for about 250 - 400$.
The only two brands that I would recommend for reliabilty and support
are Nikon and the Minolta. Canon: maybe. They screwed up earlier film
scanners with a noisy power supply so they lost a lot of trust. There
are others as well, just less well known.

Minolta are of course out of this business now and Sony's position in
film scanners is not clear.

Get ICE if you can. Here is why: (mouse over the image).
http://www.aliasimages.com/ScanScratch.htm also works wonders on dust.

> Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?

With edits, archiving and so on I average 15 minutes per frame using the
Minolta 5400. 30 minutes using the Nikon 9000ED, but that's for other
reasons.

If you're less fussy, you can knock down about 10 per hour once you have
your "routine" down (scanning while editing).


> I don't want to spend more then $300.
> Looking on the Web I found:
>
> Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
> Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
> Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
> Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
> Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84
> Canon CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99
>
> Which one you recommend?

Nikon V,
Nikon 5000 (pricey).

Used. Minolta 5400 (not -II), Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II, III.

I'd avoid Canon even though they probably fixed their problems.

Don't do flatbed. (The flatbed guys will howl, so what).

Cheers,
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:07 pm
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Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good and
great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and can scan
not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and large format
negs if you like.



4800dpi http://tinyurl.com/27xt9t

6400 dpi http://tinyurl.com/2or38c



PZ



www.Imagequest.ifp3.com






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> ZalekBloom DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
>> Looking for a scanner to convert my negatives to digital media.
>> Nothing fancy, with resolution good to show pictures on 19" PC
>> monitor.
>
> If you're going to the trouble to scan a negative you might as well get a
> reasonably good scanner so that you can print if desired. IOW avoid the
> flatbed scanners and go for a dedicated film scanner. 3000 - 4000 dpi
> scan resolution is enough but look for first version (not the "II") of the
> Minolta 5400 as well which can be had used for about 250 - 400$.
> The only two brands that I would recommend for reliabilty and support are
> Nikon and the Minolta. Canon: maybe. They screwed up earlier film
> scanners with a noisy power supply so they lost a lot of trust. There are
> others as well, just less well known.
>
> Minolta are of course out of this business now and Sony's position in film
> scanners is not clear.
>
> Get ICE if you can. Here is why: (mouse over the image).
> http://www.aliasimages.com/ScanScratch.htm also works wonders on dust.
>
>> Any idea how long it takes to scan one picture?
>
> With edits, archiving and so on I average 15 minutes per frame using the
> Minolta 5400. 30 minutes using the Nikon 9000ED, but that's for other
> reasons.
>
> If you're less fussy, you can knock down about 10 per hour once you have
> your "routine" down (scanning while editing).
>
>
>> I don't want to spend more then $300.
>> Looking on the Web I found:
>>
>> Pacific Image PrimeFilm 3610AFL 3600dpi, $ 309.95
>> Pacific Image Prime-Film 3650u, 3600dpi - $ 269.95
>> Pacific Image Prime-Film 3600u, 3600 dpi, $ 209.95
>> Canon Canoscan 8600F Color Image Scanner $163.99
>> Microtek ScanMaker i800 $299.84 Canon
>> CanoScan 4400F Color Image Scanner $89.99 Which one you recommend?
>
> Nikon V,
> Nikon 5000 (pricey).
>
> Used. Minolta 5400 (not -II), Minolta Dimage Scan Dual II, III.
>
> I'd avoid Canon even though they probably fixed their problems.
>
> Don't do flatbed. (The flatbed guys will howl, so what).
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:40 pm
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DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
> Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good and
> great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and can scan
> not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and large format
> negs if you like.

Scan photos: flatbed
Scan film: film scanner.

Don't top post.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:55 pm
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DBLEXPOSURE wrote:

>
>
> Also, is it not the local courtesy to leave the above post
> completely
> in tack when replying? Chunks of my previous are missing from your
> reply, just curious.
>

I'll bet you meant "intact", and in a previous post, "citing" rather
than "sighting".

Technical, certainly, but not typographical errors. Live and learn,
just helpful.

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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:10 pm
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Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne.DeleteThis@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
>> Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good
>> and great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and can
>> scan not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and large
>> format negs if you like.
>
> Scan photos: flatbed
> Scan film: film scanner.
>
> Don't top post.
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That's not an explanation of your position but a reiteration and a mule
headed one at that.



What makes you think that because one has a film or slide carrier only makes
it electronically or otherwise better? What is the technical reasoning
behind your position?



My response sighted well-known flatbed scanners with good performance and
good technical specifications and they work those specs on film and slides
as well as large format mediums. An inch is an inch whether it is a 35mm
slide or a 5X7 photograph.



Do you have sound reasoning or are you stuck in some sort of scanner
paradigm?



My original question below, please answer with some sort of technical answer
or at least an answer that defends your position in the discussion and not
your self appointed role as top-posting police.



PZ



www.Imagequest.ifp3.com





-Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good
and great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs -and can
scan not only negs and -slides but will handle prints and medium and large
format negs if you like.



-4800dpi http://tinyurl.com/27xt9t

-6400 dpi http://tinyurl.com/2or38c



-PZ



-www.Imagequest.ifp3.com
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DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
> Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne.DeleteThis@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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>
>>DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
>>
>>>Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good
>>>and great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and can
>>>scan not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and large
>>>format negs if you like.
>>
>>Scan photos: flatbed
>>Scan film: film scanner.

> That's not an explanation of your position but a reiteration and a mule
> headed one at that.

PLONK -1 and counting.

> What makes you think that because one has a film or slide carrier only makes
> it electronically or otherwise better? What is the technical reasoning
> behind your position?

Every time I have seen a side by side of the best flatbed to an ordinary
film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with
4990 scans of my own 120 film. I bought the Nikon 9000 ED based on that
comparison and on others people posted online.

James held a "bake off" of scanners in 2005. The flatbeds lagged hard
regardless of their resolution numbers:
http://www.jamesphotography.ca/bakeoff2005/numbers.html

And just to be clear: the declared number of pixels is not a "technical
reason" to buy anything.

Cheers,
Alan.

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:07 pm
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Alan Browne wrote:

> film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
> tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with
> 4990 scans of my own 120 film.

Was actually Ken Weitzel. Sorry Ken and Jim.
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> DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
>> Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
>> "Alan Browne" <alan.browne RemoveThis @FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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>>
>>>DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good
>>>>and great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and
>>>>can scan not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and
>>>>large format negs if you like.
>>>
>>>Scan photos: flatbed
>>>Scan film: film scanner.
>
>> That's not an explanation of your position but a reiteration and a mule
>> headed one at that.
>
> PLONK -1 and counting.
>
>> What makes you think that because one has a film or slide carrier only
>> makes it electronically or otherwise better? What is the technical
>> reasoning behind your position?
>
> Every time I have seen a side by side of the best flatbed to an ordinary
> film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
> tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with 4990
> scans of my own 120 film. I bought the Nikon 9000 ED based on that
> comparison and on others people posted online.
>
> James held a "bake off" of scanners in 2005. The flatbeds lagged hard
> regardless of their resolution numbers:
> http://www.jamesphotography.ca/bakeoff2005/numbers.html
>
> And just to be clear: the declared number of pixels is not a "technical
> reason" to buy anything.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan.
>
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Thanks for the reasonable answer. I know what you mean about not judging by
the numbers, I have known a few marketing execs in my time. Still, a claim
of 6400dpi is worth looking into. Epson has always, to the best of my
knowledge, been a reputable company and a leader in the digital imaging
world, at least when it comes to scanners and printers



BTW, "PLONK -1 and counting" One good plonk deserves another, speak to me
respectfully and I will always do in kind, take a shot and expect one in
return.



Also, is it not the local courtesy to leave the above post completely in
tack when replying? Chunks of my previous are missing from your reply, just
curious.



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DBLEXPOSURE wrote:

>>>>
>>>>Scan photos: flatbed
>>>>Scan film: film scanner.
>>
>>>That's not an explanation of your position but a reiteration and a mule
>>>headed one at that.
>>
>>PLONK -1 and counting.
>>
>>
>>>What makes you think that because one has a film or slide carrier only
>>>makes it electronically or otherwise better? What is the technical
>>>reasoning behind your position?
>>
>>Every time I have seen a side by side of the best flatbed to an ordinary
>>film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
>>tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with 4990
>>scans of my own 120 film. I bought the Nikon 9000 ED based on that
>>comparison and on others people posted online.
>>
>>James held a "bake off" of scanners in 2005. The flatbeds lagged hard
>>regardless of their resolution numbers:
>>http://www.jamesphotography.ca/bakeoff2005/numbers.html
>>
>>And just to be clear: the declared number of pixels is not a "technical
>>reason" to buy anything.
>
> Thanks for the reasonable answer. I know what you mean about not judging by
> the numbers, I have known a few marketing execs in my time. Still, a claim
> of 6400dpi is worth looking into. Epson has always, to the best of my

Not is it's meaningless numbers. Would you rather an epson flatbed scan
at 6400 dpi or a Nikon 9000 scan at 4000 dpi? For that matter, if it
were affordable, a drum scan at 5000 dpi?

> knowledge, been a reputable company and a leader in the digital imaging
> world, at least when it comes to scanners and printers
>
>
>
> BTW, "PLONK -1 and counting" One good plonk deserves another, speak to me
> respectfully and I will always do in kind, take a shot and expect one in
> return.

What "shot" did I take?

If you want to plonk me, please go ahead.

> Also, is it not the local courtesy to leave the above post completely in
> tack when replying? Chunks of my previous are missing from your reply, just
> curious.

Netiquette: trim replies to the pertinent. Retain context of prev.
poster, remove all the rest. Google groups can retain that.

Cheers,
Alan

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(Msg. 27) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:29 pm
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>
>>
>>
>> Also, is it not the local courtesy to leave the above post completely
>> in tack when replying? Chunks of my previous are missing from your
>> reply, just curious.
>>
>
> I'll bet you meant "intact", and in a previous post, "citing" rather than
> "sighting".
>
> Technical, certainly, but not typographical errors. Live and learn, just
> helpful.
>
> --
> Frank ess

Frank, yes indeed that is exactly what I meant and thank you for pointing
that out, if your are looking for a fight you won't get one from me on that
one. I admit my writing skills are my weakest link and I have no issues
with having my mistakes pointed out to me. Live and learn indeed...



I do think however, you meant, "Just being helpful" Or at least, that is
how I would say it.

> Live and learn, just helpful.

Smile

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Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
"Alan Browne" <alan.browne.DeleteThis@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>>Scan photos: flatbed
>>>>>Scan film: film scanner.
>>>
>>>>That's not an explanation of your position but a reiteration and a mule
>>>>headed one at that.
>>>
>>>PLONK -1 and counting.
>>>
>>>
>>>>What makes you think that because one has a film or slide carrier only
>>>>makes it electronically or otherwise better? What is the technical
>>>>reasoning behind your position?
>>>
>>>Every time I have seen a side by side of the best flatbed to an ordinary
>>>film scanner, the flatbed was, to be kind, soft in comparison. I was
>>>tempted to buy the Epson 4990 but Jim (link below) sent me CD's with 4990
>>>scans of my own 120 film. I bought the Nikon 9000 ED based on that
>>>comparison and on others people posted online.
>>>
>>>James held a "bake off" of scanners in 2005. The flatbeds lagged hard
>>>regardless of their resolution numbers:
>>>http://www.jamesphotography.ca/bakeoff2005/numbers.html
>>>
>>>And just to be clear: the declared number of pixels is not a "technical
>>>reason" to buy anything.
>>
>> Thanks for the reasonable answer. I know what you mean about not judging
>> by the numbers, I have known a few marketing execs in my time. Still, a
>> claim of 6400dpi is worth looking into. Epson has always, to the best of
>> my
>
> Not is it's meaningless numbers. Would you rather an epson flatbed scan
> at 6400 dpi or a Nikon 9000 scan at 4000 dpi? For that matter, if it were
> affordable, a drum scan at 5000 dpi?
>
>> knowledge, been a reputable company and a leader in the digital imaging
>> world, at least when it comes to scanners and printers
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW, "PLONK -1 and counting" One good plonk deserves another, speak to me
>> respectfully and I will always do in kind, take a shot and expect one in
>> return.
>
> What "shot" did I take?
>
> If you want to plonk me, please go ahead.
>
>> Also, is it not the local courtesy to leave the above post completely in
>> tack when replying? Chunks of my previous are missing from your reply,
>> just curious.
>
> Netiquette: trim replies to the pertinent. Retain context of prev.
> poster, remove all the rest. Google groups can retain that.
>
> Cheers,
> Alan
>
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Your short answer,



"Scan photos: flatbed
Scan film: film scanner.

Don't top post."



Left the impression that it was more important to you to get to the point of
not top posting and the real matter of the discussion, Flatbed Vs. Film
Scanner was totally irrelevant and my question did not merit an answer, I
suppose because I had the audacity to top-post.



It was a shot.



>Not is it's meaningless numbers. Would you rather an epson flatbed scan at
>6400 dpi or a Nikon 9000 scan at 4000 dpi? For that matter, if it were
>affordable, a drum scan at 5000 dpi?



For Frank, I think he meant, "Not, it is meaningless." Or perhaps "they are
meaningless." What's good for the goose.



Anyway, I digress, Alan, to say the specs are meaningless is wrong. I would
agree that the one specification standing on it's own is meaningless if all
other specs are poor or if the device making the claim is otherwise
dysfunctional.



To answer your question, I would rather have the flatbed if it performed in
all other areas. The ability to make larger prints is important to my
clients and me. In this case, all other things being equal, the Epson can
produce 60% larger prints, if the claim of 6400dpi is true.



I have used Epson printers and scanners plenty in my time and have found
their products to be worthy of advertising claims and they produce great
results. Many cutting edge photographers, Jay Maisel, Grahm Nash, Vincent
Versace and Greg Gorman to name a few, Use Epson scanners and printer
exclusively.



I am not familiar with the Nikon 9000, but I would shy away from it based on
the 4000dpi spec. Now that is not to say that I would not investigate
further based on Nikon's claims of superior quality.



In the end, I would like to see large prints of images made on both models
before I gave up nearly $2K verses roughly $600. Admittedly, the huge price
separation has me scratching my head.


Patrick Ziegler
www.imagequest.ifp3.com
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:56 pm
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:40:34 -0400, Alan Browne
<alan.browne RemoveThis @FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
>> Why not a flatbed? Here are a couple flatbeds from Epson that have good and
>> great resolution, come with Digital Ice, have good Dmax specs and can scan
>> not only negs and slides but will handle prints and medium and large format
>> negs if you like.
>
>Scan photos: flatbed
>Scan film: film scanner.
>
>Don't top post.


The best scanner on the market....film or photos, is a flatbed.
I have checked on this line frequently, but they are way out of my
league.(maybe in my next life<g>). I just like to see what they are
doing from time to time.
I'm talking about the old CreoScitex scanner line. They were
bought out by Kodak, and you can still check them out under the Kodak
EverSmart Supreme line.
http://graphics.kodak.com/us/product/scanners/professional_scanners/ev...mart_su
No film scanner can reproduce what these flatbeds will do, and
from what I've read, they are also better than drum scanners.
Anyway, I just though I'd add my two cents.

Talker
(ps. Most groups have their own guidelines when it comes to top/bottom
posting, and very few groups ask you to top post. The reason they
prefer bottom posting is because that's how you read....from top to
bottom. If 10 people replied to a post and they all top posted, you
would have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to read the
initial post, then scroll up to the next post and scroll down it as
you read it. That is not how one reads normally. By bottom posting,
one can follow each post by scrolling down as you read it.....the same
way you would read a book.)
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:20 pm
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DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
> Patrick Ziegler ImageQuest Photography
> "Frank ess" <frank.DeleteThis@fshe2fs.com> wrote in message
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>> DBLEXPOSURE wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, is it not the local courtesy to leave the above post
>>> completely in tack when replying? Chunks of my previous are
>>> missing from your reply, just curious.
>>>
>>
>> I'll bet you meant "intact", and in a previous post, "citing"
>> rather
>> than "sighting".
>>
>> Technical, certainly, but not typographical errors. Live and learn,
>> just helpful.
>>
>> --
>> Frank ess
>
> Frank, yes indeed that is exactly what I meant and thank you for
> pointing that out, if your are looking for a fight you won't get one
> from me on that one. I admit my writing skills are my weakest link
> and I have no issues with having my mistakes pointed out to me.
> Live
> and learn indeed...
>
>
> I do think however, you meant, "Just being helpful" Or at least,
> that is how I would say it.
>
>> Live and learn, just helpful.
>

And here I thought I had done such a good job of emulating your "just
curious" thought/speech pattern!

Live and learn, indeed!

Just being snide.

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Frank ess
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