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veritas

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:56 pm
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Hi ,

I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
slr is able to do ) .

Which compact digital cameras are these ?

I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:56 pm
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On Jul 2, 1:02 am, ASAAR wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:57:36 +1000, veritas wrote:
> > I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
> > of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
> > slr is able to do ) .
>
> > Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>
> > I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .
>
> Download Canon's manual for the 850 IS, but I think you're going
> to be disappointed with that model. I just checked the manual for
> the relatively similar PowerShot SD600 and there are no lens options
> available for it from Canon. These cameras were probably
> intentionally designed without the ability to add conversion lenses,
> since "smallness" was perhaps the prime consideration for these
> cameras, and add-on lenses are usually quite bulky.
>
> This doesn't mean that no add-on lens is possible. Canon doesn't
> make any add-on lenses for my old, small PowerShot S10 and S20, but
> there was a company that made a Rube Goldberg-like contraption for
> it that held an adapter lens in front of the camera's own lens.
>
> Many of the slightly larger Canon cameras are designed to mate
> with add-on lenses, and Canon sells these for models such as the
> PowerShots A540 (but not for the similar A530), A610, A620, A630,
> A640, A700, A710 IS, G7, etc. Your best option, though, especially
> considering the added cost and added bulk, would be to get a small
> camera with a much wider range zoom that includes the focal length
> range of the PS 850IS as a small subset.
>
> Conversion lenses have what some people might consider to be
> severe drawbacks compared to wider range zooms. Without the
> conversion lens, you can use the entire range of the zoom's
> available focal lengths. But when a wide angle conversion lens is
> mounted, you often get poor performance when zoomed to the long end
> of the zoom. Similarly, when telephoto conversion lenses are
> mounted you often get poor performance when the camera is zoomed
> towards the wide end of the focal length range. Also, the
> conversion lenses are usually available with only modest
> multipliers, to maintain image quality. For Canon's A620, the wide
> adapter is 0.7x and the tele adapter is 1.75x. If these were
> available for the 850IS's 4x lens, they would change the camera's
> zoom range to 5.7x (wide) or 7x (tele), but not as well as a camera
> that has a normal 6x or 10x range, since to be able to go from one
> end of the extended zoom range to the other would require attaching
> and detaching the add-on lens. Quite inconvenient.
>
> But perhaps a bigger drawback is that because of the size of the
> wide angle conversion lens, it usually blocks at least part of the
> camera's flash output, creating horrible dark areas in large parts
> of the image. If you want a really wide zoom range, I'd suggest
> something other than Canon's Elph/Ixus line of cameras. Canon's G7
> is slightly larger, has IS and a 6x lens. The Powershot S5 IS is
> much larger and has a 12x lens. These currently sell for about
> $500. You may be better off checking out Panasonic's 10x DMC-TZ2
> and DMC-TZ3. They're larger than the PS 850IS, but still reasonably
> small and reasonably priced, about $300. They also go to a wider
> 28mm, versus the 850IS's (I think) 35mm on its wide end. A 0.7x
> wide adapter lens would only reduce the 850IS's focal length to
> 26.6mm, not a great deal wider than TZ2 and TZ3's 28mm.

you speak correctly regarding the shadow caused by the conversion lens
attachment and flash. I've a sony w200, a telephoto and wide lens
attachments; both are sony leica andperhaps I am too demanding, but I
am not happy with the image quality they provide; I did expect a lot
better, but for the money, compared to dslr and portability I
shouldn't complain; but the telephoto is a waste.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:56 pm
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veritas wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
> of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
> slr is able to do ) .
>
> Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>
> I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .
>

Check "http://www.lensmateonline.com/" but I didn't see anything for the
850 IS.

The 850 IS is really a "sub-compact" not a compact. The Lensmate
products are for compact cameras where there is something for the tube
to attach to. There are some workarounds to this, i.e. Adorama made an
extension lens adapter for the S500, and the 850 IS is similar, so you
might contact them about it. They made similar devices for several other
cameras as well.

"http://www.adorama.com/ATACA14T.html?searchinfo=ATACA14T&item_no=1"

Search for "T-Thread Adapter Kit".

Steve
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:02 am
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:57:36 +1000, veritas wrote:

> I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
> of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
> slr is able to do ) .
>
> Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>
> I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .

Download Canon's manual for the 850 IS, but I think you're going
to be disappointed with that model. I just checked the manual for
the relatively similar PowerShot SD600 and there are no lens options
available for it from Canon. These cameras were probably
intentionally designed without the ability to add conversion lenses,
since "smallness" was perhaps the prime consideration for these
cameras, and add-on lenses are usually quite bulky.

This doesn't mean that no add-on lens is possible. Canon doesn't
make any add-on lenses for my old, small PowerShot S10 and S20, but
there was a company that made a Rube Goldberg-like contraption for
it that held an adapter lens in front of the camera's own lens.

Many of the slightly larger Canon cameras are designed to mate
with add-on lenses, and Canon sells these for models such as the
PowerShots A540 (but not for the similar A530), A610, A620, A630,
A640, A700, A710 IS, G7, etc. Your best option, though, especially
considering the added cost and added bulk, would be to get a small
camera with a much wider range zoom that includes the focal length
range of the PS 850IS as a small subset.

Conversion lenses have what some people might consider to be
severe drawbacks compared to wider range zooms. Without the
conversion lens, you can use the entire range of the zoom's
available focal lengths. But when a wide angle conversion lens is
mounted, you often get poor performance when zoomed to the long end
of the zoom. Similarly, when telephoto conversion lenses are
mounted you often get poor performance when the camera is zoomed
towards the wide end of the focal length range. Also, the
conversion lenses are usually available with only modest
multipliers, to maintain image quality. For Canon's A620, the wide
adapter is 0.7x and the tele adapter is 1.75x. If these were
available for the 850IS's 4x lens, they would change the camera's
zoom range to 5.7x (wide) or 7x (tele), but not as well as a camera
that has a normal 6x or 10x range, since to be able to go from one
end of the extended zoom range to the other would require attaching
and detaching the add-on lens. Quite inconvenient.

But perhaps a bigger drawback is that because of the size of the
wide angle conversion lens, it usually blocks at least part of the
camera's flash output, creating horrible dark areas in large parts
of the image. If you want a really wide zoom range, I'd suggest
something other than Canon's Elph/Ixus line of cameras. Canon's G7
is slightly larger, has IS and a 6x lens. The Powershot S5 IS is
much larger and has a 12x lens. These currently sell for about
$500. You may be better off checking out Panasonic's 10x DMC-TZ2
and DMC-TZ3. They're larger than the PS 850IS, but still reasonably
small and reasonably priced, about $300. They also go to a wider
28mm, versus the 850IS's (I think) 35mm on its wide end. A 0.7x
wide adapter lens would only reduce the 850IS's focal length to
26.6mm, not a great deal wider than TZ2 and TZ3's 28mm.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:55 am
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Hi ,

I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
of screwing on a new lens ( sort of like an SLR is able to do ) or
extension tube (?) .

Which compact digital cameras are these ?

I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .Is this able to
change lenses ?

Does anyone have any idea ?

Thanks in advance .
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:55 am
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:12:32 +1000, veritas
wrote:

>Hi ,
>
>I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
>of screwing on a new lens ( sort of like an SLR is able to do ) or
>extension tube (?) .
>
>Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>
>I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .Is this able to
>change lenses ?
>
>Does anyone have any idea ?
>
>Thanks in advance .


From the pictures and info on the canon website, I don't see any way
to attach an accessory lens. I would guess that an accessory lens
would confuse the IS feature, so would not be a good idea.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:55 am
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:27:06 GMT, Charles
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>
>From the pictures and info on the canon website, I don't see any way
>to attach an accessory lens. I would guess that an accessory lens
>would confuse the IS feature, so would not be a good idea.


I saw a TV program about this recently. I think it was a Panasonic
compact that was able to add another lens and thus become wide angle
etc .(??)

I thought someone here might know which compacts could change lenses
like this or be modified etc so they can act like mini SLR's .

I've tried looking on the web but found nothing .
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:55 am
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veritas wrote:
> I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
> of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens (sort of like an
> slr is able to do).

Are you talking about adding some accessory to the existing lens or about
replacing the existing lens with a different one?

> Which compact digital cameras are these?

If you are talking about adding an accessory lens then Nikon offered several
for my old Coolpix 880. From the manual:
- ES-E28 slide copying adapter
- FC-E8 fisheye lens converter
- WC-E24/WC-E63 wide angle lens converters
- TC-E2 2x telephoto lens converter
- TC-E3ED 3x telephoto lens converter

For new cameras I don't know.

jue
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:55 am
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veritas wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
> of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
> slr is able to do ) .
>
> Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>
> I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .

Several cameras in the Panasonic range offer add-on wide-angle and
telephoto extensions. They also offer excellent quality Leica lenses, and
optical image stabilisation which can help you get sharp images even with
the long telephoto lenses these cameras have. I don't know if all these
cameras would meet your definition of "compact".

David
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:45 am
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:32:49 +1000, veritas
wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:27:06 GMT, Charles
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>From the pictures and info on the canon website, I don't see any way
>>to attach an accessory lens. I would guess that an accessory lens
>>would confuse the IS feature, so would not be a good idea.
>
>
>I saw a TV program about this recently. I think it was a Panasonic
>compact that was able to add another lens and thus become wide angle
>etc .(??)
>
>I thought someone here might know which compacts could change lenses
>like this or be modified etc so they can act like mini SLR's .
>
>I've tried looking on the web but found nothing .


My old Nikon 990 does that.

There is some info on CKC Power website

http://www.ckcpower.com/digicams.htm

The part about adapters is what you are looking for. Cameras with
filter attachment threads would be easiest to mount an accessory lens
on, one of the Sony cameras had a means to mount a tube around the
lens and put the extra lens on it. I don't remember the model number.

Do some Google searching for digiscoping, you might find someone has
compiled a list of cameras that would work for this.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:46 am
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:45:54 GMT, Charles
wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:32:49 +1000, veritas
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:27:06 GMT, Charles
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>From the pictures and info on the canon website, I don't see any way
>>>to attach an accessory lens. I would guess that an accessory lens
>>>would confuse the IS feature, so would not be a good idea.
>>
>>
>>I saw a TV program about this recently. I think it was a Panasonic
>>compact that was able to add another lens and thus become wide angle
>>etc .(??)
>>
>>I thought someone here might know which compacts could change lenses
>>like this or be modified etc so they can act like mini SLR's .
>>
>>I've tried looking on the web but found nothing .
>
>
>My old Nikon 990 does that.
>
>There is some info on CKC Power website
>
>http://www.ckcpower.com/digicams.htm
>
>The part about adapters is what you are looking for. Cameras with
>filter attachment threads would be easiest to mount an accessory lens
>on, one of the Sony cameras had a means to mount a tube around the
>lens and put the extra lens on it. I don't remember the model number.
>
>Do some Google searching for digiscoping, you might find someone has
>compiled a list of cameras that would work for this.


A bit of info is here: http://www.eagleeyeuk.com/what_do_I_need.htm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:35 pm
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:57:36 +1000, veritas
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>Hi ,
>
>I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
>of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
>slr is able to do ) .
>
>Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>
>I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .


Hi everyone ,

I found the TV program listing . I live in Sydney, Australia now (
just moved from Los Angeles,CA ) but you can check out these cameras
that were shown to see what I'm talking about . It was the program
that aired on " Monday, June 12 , 2007 " on this web page ( with the
cameras and extras shown ) :


http://seven.com.au/sunrise/regular_peteblasina


Any opinions ?
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:58 pm
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:35:29 +1000, veritas
wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:57:36 +1000, veritas
>wrote:
>
>>Hi ,
>>
>>I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
>>of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
>>slr is able to do ) .
>>
>>Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>>
>>I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .
>
>
>Hi everyone ,
>
>I found the TV program listing . I live in Sydney, Australia now (
>just moved from Los Angeles,CA ) but you can check out these cameras
>that were shown to see what I'm talking about . It was the program
>that aired on " Monday, June 12 , 2007 " on this web page ( with the
>cameras and extras shown ) :
>
>
> http://seven.com.au/sunrise/regular_peteblasina
>
>
>Any opinions ?


These are the cameras that were shown that day on that TV program I
saw . Click on the "gadgetguy.com.au" link for each camera below in
the following web page for June 12 , 2007 :


http://seven.com.au/sunrise/regular_peteblasina

CAMERAS :

Canon IXUS 850 IS
RRP: $699.00 AUD
Available: Camera stores, Electrical retailers


Panasonic Lumix FX30
RRP: $659.00 AUD
Available: Camera stores, Electrical retailers


Nikon Coolpix P5000
RRP: $649.00 AUD
Available: Camera stores, Electrical retailers


Ricoh Caplio GX100
RRP: $799.00 AUD
Available: Camera stores, Electrical retailers


Any opinions ? The Ricoh has that lens addition.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:58 pm
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veritas wrote:
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> Any opinions ? The Ricoh has that lens addition.

... that you would be better off getting a camera which covers the range
you need, rather than messing with extension lenses. They reduce
performance, and can take time to fit so that the shot you wanted has
gone.

For example, Panasonic offer medium sized cameras with a 36 -432mm zoom
range and compact cameras with a 28 - 280mm zoom range:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicFZ8/ (ZLR)

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonictz3/ (compact)

and Olympus offer an even greater zoom range (28 - 504mm), but some early
reports were not enthusiastic:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympussp550uz/ (ZLR)

Cheers,
David
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:39 am
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:57:36 +1000, veritas wrote:

> Hi ,
>
> I have seen recently that there are some compacts that have the option
> of screwing on a new lens to archive a wide lens ( sort of like an
> slr is able to do ) .
>
> Which compact digital cameras are these ?
>
> I am thinking of getting a Canon Powershot 850 IS .

That's really nothing new, I have a 2x extender for my Kodak DC210+, a 1mp
camera which hasn't been made for about 8 years.
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