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Since: Jul 23, 2007 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:56 am
Post subject: looking for a digicam with little shutter lag Archived from groups: rec>photo>digital (more info?)
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I'm lookin for a digicam that meets these qualities:
o more than 4 Mpixel
o very little shutter lag (with anti red-eye flash off)
would prefer 6 Mpixel or more but that isn't the biggest thing. I
want the shutter to trip when I push the button and not 10 minutes
later.
Michael >> Stay informed about: looking for a digicam with little shutter lag |
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Since: Dec 25, 2006 Posts: 245
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:56 am
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On 2007-07-23 06:20:09 -0700, Michael said:
> I'm lookin for a digicam that meets these qualities:
> o more than 4 Mpixel
> o very little shutter lag (with anti red-eye flash off)
>
> would prefer 6 Mpixel or more but that isn't the biggest thing. I
> want the shutter to trip when I push the button and not 10 minutes
> later.
>
> Michael
DSLRs give the fastest response rate. Other digital cameras are slowed
by the time it takes to process the image to the LCD and the time it
takes to switch the sensor from displaying an image on the LCD and to
taking a picture. With a DSLR the sensor is always in picture-taking
mode and a mechanical shutter determines when the picture is taken.
This is not to say that the delay of other digital cameras is very
long, but it can make a huge difference in your pictures. If you look
at the LCD while you move your hand in front of the camera, you will
see a noticeable delay before the movement shows up on the LCD. If you
are using the LCD to frame your picture your hand may have moved out of
the picture entirely before you take the shot. It is often the
difference between getting a picture of a bird and a picture of a twig.
The other delay introduced by digital cameras is the delay between the
time you press the shutter release and when it actually takes the
picture. There have been improvements and sometimes the delay is very
short, but digital technology is going to have progress a lot further
before it can beat a mechanical system such as in a DSLR. In general,
you pay for speed with weight and size -- more speed means more battery
power and more complex circuitry.
Cameras with electric zoom lenses also slow down your photography quite
a lot. They don't have a delay like the shutter release delay, but
waiting for the lens to slowly zoom in and out can be a real pain.
Manual zooms are much faster and more accurate. Almost all DSLRs use
manual zoom and so do some other digital cameras.
If speed is important to you then it should be obvious that you should
be looking at a DSLR, which means, of course, that you can say good-by
to the lightweight shirt pocket cameras.
--
Waddling Eagle
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Since: Apr 15, 2007 Posts: 228
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:57 am
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Since: Aug 31, 2005 Posts: 408
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:56 am
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Jürgen Exner wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> I'm lookin for a digicam that meets these qualities:
>> o more than 4 Mpixel
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> Most somewhat recent digital cameras will have that except for the very
> cheapest throw-away plastic.
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>> o very little shutter lag (with anti red-eye flash off)
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> Any dSLR
And most P&S IFF you can pre focus.
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Since: Jun 11, 2007 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:56 am
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On Jul 23, 9:20 am, Michael wrote:
> I'm lookin for a digicam that meets these qualities:
> o more than 4 Mpixel
> o very little shutter lag (with anti red-eye flash off)
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> would prefer 6 Mpixel or more but that isn't the biggest thing. I
> want the shutter to trip when I push the button and not 10 minutes
> later.
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> Michael
Well as pointed out a DSLR will have the best response rate but I
assume you are talking P&S.
I was in the same boat. I have to P&S digitals that I can recommend
as being pretty quick in response time - not as quick as a dSLR but
overall quite responsive.
My first purchase was a Canon S80 which I really like. It's a bit
bulky but gives you incredible control - Auto, Programmed Auto,
aperature priority, shutter priority, full manual etc... It is an 8
MP camera and quite responsive. Built like a tank. Only two problems
- one - it is a bit bulky so was not "pocket friendly" and two - my
wife likes it and will not let me use it  I bought a second dP&S
for travel - the Canon SD700IS. It is much more compact but still
very well built. You loose the Av and Tv modes sadly and a bit of
resolution (6MP rather than 8MP), but gain a longer zoom (4x vs 3x), a
higher ISO capability (for what it is worth) and a very nice optical
IS feature which works very well. Shutter lag is very low. It takes
very nice pictures - I'm very happy with it.
Both worth taking a look at.
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Since: Jun 11, 2007 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:29 pm
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On Jul 23, 9:20 am, Michael wrote:
> I'm lookin for a digicam that meets these qualities:
> o more than 4 Mpixel
> o very little shutter lag (with anti red-eye flash off)
>
> would prefer 6 Mpixel or more but that isn't the biggest thing. I
> want the shutter to trip when I push the button and not 10 minutes
> later.
>
> Michael
Oh...by the way dpreview.com does actually give response times for all
their reviews too which should help you find what you want. Look on
the performance page.
For example:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonSD700IS/page10.asp
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Since: Jan 19, 2006 Posts: 137
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:33 pm
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Since: Aug 13, 2005 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:56 pm
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I remember finally getting a Sony DSC-P93 to get some nice photos of
my dog going over jumps, having retired my Leica model F many years ago.
Was I surprised by the shutter lag! I thought I'd never get used to it.
My finely-tuned shutter reflexes from the Leica are all wrong.
In a couple of weeks I had it down. You just have to anticipate
differently, but it's not harder than before.
Now I got an even cheaper DSC-S700, and it has an amazingly long
shutter delay. I'm not sure that even I can adjust to this one.
It's almost self-timer territory.
--
rhhardin RemoveThis @mindspring.com
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Since: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 115
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:14 pm
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:20:09 -0000, Michael
wrote:
>I'm lookin for a digicam that meets these qualities:
> o more than 4 Mpixel
> o very little shutter lag (with anti red-eye flash off)
>
>would prefer 6 Mpixel or more but that isn't the biggest thing. I
>want the shutter to trip when I push the button and not 10 minutes
>later.
>
>Michael
A very good table of cameras documenting their shutter lag is
available at http://tinyurl.com/fa6nx.
The recent Sonys are excellent choices but have no (or crummy) image
stabilization. The Canon SD800 IS does have it, and has a pretty short
shutter lag of 0.28 sec... The A710 has a similar shutter lag and
takes better pictures but is a bulkier (but still compact) camera.
So it's up to you to do the research to find what features you want in
combination with a satisfactory shutter lag.
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Since: Jun 06, 2007 Posts: 35
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:10 am
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Since: Aug 02, 2005 Posts: 3980
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:23 am
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:37:29 -0000, Bates wrote:
> I felt like replying to this solely for the reason of making sure the
> original post lives on in perpetuity since you set it to not be
> archived. Regardless of what you think of the explanation given, the
> fact remains that a dSLR has much faster response times. End of
> story.
Not to worry. X-Man is one of a small number of sock puppet
trolls that recently started infesting the newsgroup. Trying to
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Since: Jun 25, 2007 Posts: 108
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:55 am
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Ron Hardin wrote:
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> Now I got an even cheaper DSC-S700, and it has an amazingly long
> shutter delay. I'm not sure that even I can adjust to this one.
> It's almost self-timer territory.
A good small-sensor camera should have an almost negligible shutter delay,
providing you use the initial-half-press to establish focus and exposure.
Whether cheaper equals better is, perhaps, dubious.
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Since: Jan 19, 2006 Posts: 137
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:35 pm
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Since: Sep 08, 2005 Posts: 977
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:42 pm
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Michael wrote:
> I'm lookin for a digicam that meets these qualities:
> o more than 4 Mpixel
> o very little shutter lag (with anti red-eye flash off)
>
> would prefer 6 Mpixel or more but that isn't the biggest thing. I
> want the shutter to trip when I push the button and not 10 minutes
> later.
Remember that it's not just shutter lag, it's the total lag that's
really important.
A non-DSLR with about 0.25-0.35s total lag is pretty much the best you
can do--some of the non-DSLRs are more than 1 second which is very
annoying, while a lot of cameras are in the 0.5-1 sec range for total lag.
Unfortunately, the total lag times are not necessarily getting faster.
Look at the Sony DSC-W7. At full wide-angle, with auto-focus, the delay
is 0.34 seconds, with manual focus it's 0.21 seconds. The 5 megapixel
version, the DSC-W5 is a bit faster still. Unfortunately neither is
still available.
I wish that there were a camera review site with a search engine that
included shutter lag/autofocus lag as one of the parameters. The current
search engines at sites like dpreview are not very good. Even if the
actual review includes shutter lag, you have to look at every review to
find it out.
You may just want to get a low end digital SLR kit, such as the Olympus
E500 kit for about $550.
Steve
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Since: Jan 19, 2006 Posts: 137
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:16 pm
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