Kodak announces printer breakthrough

Greetings LJC,

I agree the cost is very attractive and, in fact, a manifestation of the
technology and hard work that Kodak has put into these printers over the
last 5 years. Kodak paper that you can find anywhere with the term Photo in
the name will offer the advantage of the printer being able to read the
paper backing. It will be able to determine what paper is being used and set
itself for that paper. Nice feature that will improve anyones results.

The scanner is also pretty good and can scan at resolutions of 75, 150, 200,
300, 600 or 12000. The prints are water resistant and will last longer than
I will (about 100 years or more). The results of the printer are excellent
and I will match them agains any of the other printers out there.

Check them out at local stores and see for yourself. Best Buy for the time
being and others as we move ahead.

Talk to you soon,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company




"Little Juice Coupe" wrote in message

> At $14.99 for the 5 color ink cartridge compared to 5 color ink cartridges
> for say the Epson 320 that is a lot cheaper than half. The question is
> what are you paying for in the printer. Cheap and lame scanner, fax,
> document scanner, copier function or a good quality high resolution photo
> printer. My bet the ink maybe cheaper but the print quality isn't going to
> cut the mustard. Also, no mention on available papers, how long the print
> live or anything else.
>
> Since Kodak these days aren't exactly known for top of the line consumer
> products, I think I would pass.
>
> ljc
>
>
> "ray" wrote in message
>
>> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:12:57 -0500, ASAAR wrote:
>>
>>> NPR's Marketplace reported shortly after 6:00 PM that Kodak
>>> announced a new line of printers that would potentially change the
>>> printer market. There was no technological breakthrough announced.
>>> Instead, Kodak plans to sell printers for higher prices, and cut the
>>> ink cost at least in half. The report added that it would allow
>>> Kodak's printers to make 4" x 6" prints for 10 cents vs. a typical
>>> 15 cent cost using online printing services. I didn't hear any
>>> mention of where the announcement was made or where it was reported.
>>> I'm guessing that it will have been reported in the Wall Street
>>> Journal and the New York Times, but I haven't spotted anything on
>>> the NYT home page, its Technology or Business sections, so it may
>>> have been announced too late to make it into these papers.
>>
>> It's on several major newspapers - do a simple web search - I think I
>> found it on the Washington Post site - also info on the Kodak site. They
>> are introducing three 'all-in-ones'. Cost of consumables is about 1/2 of
>> the major players. One downer is that the color cartridge has all five
>> colors in one package.
>>
>
>
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Greetings ASAAR,

You are correct the information on the Kodak site as noted on the page is
based on ink costs. Look to the bottom left of the page to see these
references.and how this is done. Not much different than others. We do not
include paper as we are not sure if someone will be using Kodak
paper.....although they should

Also, the paper that has been out in the marketplace for some time now,
about a year or more, that has the work Photo in the name, will work
perfectly in these new printers. In fact, the backing of the paper is read
by the printers to set it for best results. Check one out at your local Best
Buy etc.

Talk to you soon,

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company





"ASAAR" wrote in message

> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:24:44 +1300, frederick wrote:
>
>>> I'm not familiar with Kodak's pro paper. If you are, do you think
>>> it's possible to use it produce 4" x 6" prints for 10 cents each, as
>>> Kodak claims these new printers can do?
>>
>>
>> No. Kodaks consumer paper packs that I've seen say "Suitable for all
>> inkjet printers", but it is swellable-polymer coated and totally
>> unsuited to pigment printers, unless you like flat ugly photos that
>> scratch like instant lottery cards.
>> The pro paper comes in rolls / large sheets, is RC coated, probably made
>> by someone else and available at lower cost elsewhere. I doubt that you
>> could buy a 6x4.
>
> Then you're saying that the paper that would be best to use with
> Kodak's new printers (unless new paper is introduced next month)
> will have to be some other manufacturer's paper, designed for
> pigment ink? This is one of the reasons why I think that the 10
> cent cost per print must be based only on ink cost.
>
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Ron Baird wrote:
> Greetings ASAAR,
>
> You are correct the information on the Kodak site as noted on the
> page is based on ink costs. Look to the bottom left of the page to
> see these references.and how this is done. Not much different than
> others. We do not include paper as we are not sure if someone will be
> using Kodak paper.....although they should
>
> Also, the paper that has been out in the marketplace for some time
> now, about a year or more, that has the work Photo in the name, will
> work perfectly in these new printers. In fact, the backing of the
> paper is read by the printers to set it for best results. Check one
> out at your local Best Buy etc.
>
> Talk to you soon,
>
> Ron Baird
> Eastman Kodak Company

When will they actually be available?
I see only "pre-order" on the Best Buy web site.
Should they be in stock already?


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> "ASAAR" wrote in message
>
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:24:44 +1300, frederick wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not familiar with Kodak's pro paper. If you are, do you think
>>>> it's possible to use it produce 4" x 6" prints for 10 cents each,
>>>> as Kodak claims these new printers can do?
>>>
>>>
>>> No. Kodaks consumer paper packs that I've seen say "Suitable for
>>> all inkjet printers", but it is swellable-polymer coated and totally
>>> unsuited to pigment printers, unless you like flat ugly photos that
>>> scratch like instant lottery cards.
>>> The pro paper comes in rolls / large sheets, is RC coated, probably
>>> made by someone else and available at lower cost elsewhere. I
>>> doubt that you could buy a 6x4.
>>
>> Then you're saying that the paper that would be best to use with
>> Kodak's new printers (unless new paper is introduced next month)
>> will have to be some other manufacturer's paper, designed for
>> pigment ink? This is one of the reasons why I think that the 10
>> cent cost per print must be based only on ink cost.

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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:39:38 -0500, Ron Baird wrote:

> Greetings ASAAR,
>
> You are correct the information on the Kodak site as noted on the page is
> based on ink costs. Look to the bottom left of the page to see these
> references.and how this is done. Not much different than others. We do not
> include paper as we are not sure if someone will be using Kodak
> paper.....although they should
>
> Also, the paper that has been out in the marketplace for some time now,
> about a year or more, that has the work Photo in the name, will work
> perfectly in these new printers. In fact, the backing of the paper is read
> by the printers to set it for best results. Check one out at your local Best
> Buy etc.
>
> Talk to you soon,
>
> Ron Baird
> Eastman Kodak Company
>
>
>

Are there immediate plans to produce a not all-in-one? I tend to prefer a
separate scanner and printer, partially due to Linux support issues;
partially because I'd just rather have separate stand-alone units.
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Greetings Ron,

If you check out the following page, you will see that you can get a kit for
$17.99 which works out to be around .10 a print. The pack has the ink and
paper. Pretty good deal for making some 4x6 prints.
http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=10476/10599&pq-locale=en_US

Might be even better deals as the printers come to the marketplace more
readily.

Talk to you soon.

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company



"Ron Hunter" wrote in message

> ASAAR wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:00:56 +1300, frederick wrote:
>>
>>>> There was no point to miss. I didn't editorialize, but just
>>>> repeated what was said by the "Marketplace" reporter. I do have
>>>> doubts about the accuracy of the 4x6 price comparison, since unlike
>>>> the ink kit for Epson's little printer, which allows total costs to
>>>> be easily understood, Kodak's kit doesn't include any paper, or I
>>>> should more accurately say that there is no kit. You just buy ink.
>>>> But since as you said, the new Kodak printers supposedly now use
>>>> pigment based ink, will this ink have also been formulated to work
>>>> best with existing Kodak print paper which presumably was designed
>>>> for dye based ink? Or was that a point that *you* missed?
>>>>
>>> Some of Kodak's pro papers work well with pigment printers. Their
>>> consumer papers (Ultima and down) are completely disastrous.
>>
>> I'll have to check local stores (Staples, CC, BB, CompUSA, etc.)
>> for the availability of the pro papers. I assume that B&H would
>> have them, but most people would probably just pick up whatever's
>> cheap. I recall seeing some name brand paper in Staples recently
>> that made no mention of whether it was suitable for dye or pigment
>> based ink, but just gave a rating similar to good, better, best, and
>> a brief description, such as "use this paper for longer life". I'm
>> not familiar with Kodak's pro paper. If you are, do you think it's
>> possible to use it produce 4" x 6" prints for 10 cents each, as
>> Kodak claims these new printers can do?
>>
> I suspect that is the ink price. Still, with HP selling packs of paper
> and 'ink' for their 4x6 picture printers at $.50 a picture (down from
> $.75), that still leaves a bit of room for a good paper.
> IF I could print a few 4x6 pictures for $.15 each, I would much less
> motivated to drive to Sam's Club and hassle with the kiosk for prints, not
> that I do this often, to save only a couple of cents/picture.
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Greetings Paul,

The print head is secured in the printer. It is, however, replaceable,
though it is unlikely that you would need to replace it. It can be done and
it is not all that expensive. I do not know the exact cost.

Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company




"Paul D. Sullivan" wrote in message

> But isn't the print head built into the printer? Is there a benefit to
> that long-term? Hope it would be a low-cost user replaceable option.
>
>> NPR's Marketplace reported shortly after 6:00 PM that Kodak
>> announced a new line of printers that would potentially change
>> the printer market. There was no technological breakthrough
>> announced. Instead, Kodak plans to sell printers for higher
>> prices, and cut the ink cost at least in half. The report
>> added that it would allow Kodak's printers to make 4" x 6"
>> prints for 10 cents vs. a typical 15 cent cost using online
>> printing services. I didn't hear any mention of where the
>> announcement was made or where it was reported. I'm guessing
>> that it will have been reported in the Wall Street Journal and
>> the New York Times, but I haven't spotted anything on the NYT
>> home page, its Technology or Business sections, so it may have
>> been announced too late to make it into these papers.
>
>
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Ron Baird wrote:
> the advantage of the printer being able to read the paper backing.
> It will be able to determine what paper is being used and set itself
> for that paper. Nice feature that will improve anyones results.

Good idea, especially after the past few years when it was hard to decide
whether Epson Photo Paper was Glossy Photo paper, Glossy Premium, or what.

> The scanner is also pretty good and can scan at resolutions of 75, 150, 200,
> 300, 600 or 12000.

Presumably you mean 1200 dpi there at the end.

> The prints are water resistant and will last longer than
> I will (about 100 years or more). The results of the printer are excellent
> and I will match them agains any of the other printers out there.

Looking forward to seeing these printers in Best Buy!
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:48:16 -0800, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
number here)@cox..net> wrote:

> When will they actually be available?
> I see only "pre-order" on the Best Buy web site.
> Should they be in stock already?

You don't stand a ghost of a chance of getting one real soon. I
think that I saw Kodak say somewhere that they'd be available
sometime in March. If it wasn't on their website it would have been
in dpreview's Kodak News section.
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Ron,

Thank you for sharing this information about the new Kodak line.

I have some questions, though:

Will Kodak be offering the same technology and cost advantage in a
printer that can do 11x14 prints? That's one very important thing
that would influence my decision to go with your system.

Another question, will the scanner portion of your all-in-one unit
also do slides and film, with qood quality results? I would need
capability to scan 6x7 as well as 35mm negatives.

Hopefully these things are on the drawing board and will be appearing
soon. If you will be supporting larger print sizes, I could very
well be a Kodak customer in the near future.

Thanks,

Steve

(I'm also sending this to your Kodak email address so you can send a
private response.)


On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:08:51 -0500, "Ron Baird"
wrote:

>Greetings All,
>
>I have completed some classes on the new printers, and I think you are going
>to find that what was noted is true. The prints are excellent and the
>printers are as well. Kodak has been working on its inks for several years
>and has a great technology at this point. I am sure you will like them and
>the results. As to the paper, I believe the paper that was released about a
>year ago will be excellent in these printers. So, most of the Kodak paper
>you might find on shelves will do the job and do it well. These printers
>also add an element of protection which leaves the printer water resistant.
>Very nice, and the prints will last as long as noted.
>
>Following is information that you may find interesting. I will be reviewing
>more and will be around to share on posted issues. Talk to you all soon.
>
>From an article about this new release. "Actually, Kodak has been around
>inkjet for about 15 years. In order to get into this business, you've got
>to have unique talent, intellectual property portfolio, funding, strategic
>partners and the path to the channels. Kodak has the unique ability as a
>corporation to bring all of these elements to the table. The company's IP
>portfolio is impressive, including over 1,000 patents in inkjet printing
>alone. And over 900 more patents in image science. So we didn't approach
>this project with empty pockets. We came with a rich portfolio, a very
>strong team from both inside the company and of those we recruited. We were
>able to acquire 65 engineers from other companies about mid-way into the
>program."
>
>This isn't a one-time deal. This inkjet technology could lead us down
>several paths with a wide portfolio of products in the next five years.
>Stay tuned.
>
>Ron Baird
>Eastman Kodak Company
>
>
>"ASAAR" wrote in message
>
>> NPR's Marketplace reported shortly after 6:00 PM that Kodak
>> announced a new line of printers that would potentially change the
>> printer market. There was no technological breakthrough announced.
>> Instead, Kodak plans to sell printers for higher prices, and cut the
>> ink cost at least in half. The report added that it would allow
>> Kodak's printers to make 4" x 6" prints for 10 cents vs. a typical
>> 15 cent cost using online printing services. I didn't hear any
>> mention of where the announcement was made or where it was reported.
>> I'm guessing that it will have been reported in the Wall Street
>> Journal and the New York Times, but I haven't spotted anything on
>> the NYT home page, its Technology or Business sections, so it may
>> have been announced too late to make it into these papers.
>>
>
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