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(Msg. 46) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:54 pm
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On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:08:51 -0500, Ron Baird wrote:
> These printers also add an element of protection which leaves
> the printer water resistant.
A removable vinyl cover or a little umbrella? 
> This isn't a one-time deal. This inkjet technology could lead us down
> several paths with a wide portfolio of products in the next five years.
> Stay tuned.
Most welcome would be some serious photo printers that don't clog
if used intermittently, and would use large ink cartridges or allow
switching to tanks. Make large prints inexpensive enough and Kodak
will sell lots of paper and buckets of ink. (and while the ink
still ain't exactly cheap, it's getting a lot better). Is there any
chance that there'll be some models that will be able to print on
CD/DVD disks, especially if it's without the smearing problems I've
heard that's plaguing another brand? Anyway, as you've no doubt
seen, your new printers are being enthusiastically welcomed, sight
unseen, by people who own other manufacturer's printers. I'm sure
that Kodak did enough research to count on this reaction. It's also
nice knowing that we'll be seeing more of you around these parts!
BTW, I know someone that's got a very small business selling cakes
and cookies and things, using what she says are fairly large Kodak
printers to ornament them with photos and designs using edible ink.
I tried searching for these printers but only came up with people
selling mostly standard consumer grade Canon printers. Are you
familiar with these Kodak printers or do you know of any web pages
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(Msg. 47) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:57 pm
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Cool - thanks.
>> Was the Canon a good investment?
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> Too soon to tell.
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> We are spending a lot less on ink. We run out of black and
> yellow first but photo-cyan and photo-magenta cartridges
> hardly ever need replacing. Also, Canon shares ink cartridges
> across a wide variety of printers, so they are easier to find
> than our 780 4-color cartridge was.
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> The main advantage of the new Kodak printers is the
> pigment-based ink, versus the dye-based ink in our Canon. |
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(Msg. 48) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:57 pm
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I would really rather have a 6 colors laser printer that can
handle photos as well or nearly as well as ink jets.
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:08:51 -0500, Ron Baird wrote:
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>> These printers also add an element of protection which leaves
>> the printer water resistant.
>
> A removable vinyl cover or a little umbrella?
>
>
>> This isn't a one-time deal. This inkjet technology could
>> lead us down several paths with a wide portfolio of products
>> in the next five years. Stay tuned.
>
> Most welcome would be some serious photo printers that don't
> clog if used intermittently, and would use large ink
> cartridges or allow switching to tanks. Make large prints
> inexpensive enough and Kodak will sell lots of paper and
> buckets of ink. (and while the ink still ain't exactly cheap,
> it's getting a lot better). Is there any chance that there'll
> be some models that will be able to print on CD/DVD disks,
> especially if it's without the smearing problems I've heard
> that's plaguing another brand? Anyway, as you've no doubt
> seen, your new printers are being enthusiastically welcomed,
> sight unseen, by people who own other manufacturer's printers.
> I'm sure that Kodak did enough research to count on this
> reaction. It's also nice knowing that we'll be seeing more of
> you around these parts!
>
> BTW, I know someone that's got a very small business selling
> cakes and cookies and things, using what she says are fairly
> large Kodak printers to ornament them with photos and designs
> using edible ink. I tried searching for these printers but
> only came up with people selling mostly standard consumer
> grade Canon printers. Are you familiar with these Kodak
> printers or do you know of any web pages that have
> non-restricted information about them? >> Stay informed about: Kodak announces printer breakthrough |
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(Msg. 49) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:57 pm
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Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
> I would really rather have a 6 colors laser printer that can
> handle photos as well or nearly as well as ink jets.
I don't know that you'll get that, since you can't really "mix" melted
plastic (toner) the way you can "mix" inks.
Laswer an entirely different application process.
Someone else can correct me there, but I think it really comes down to toner
limitations.
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(Msg. 50) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:53 pm
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Per Ron Baird:
> Kodak has been working on its inks for several years
>and has a great technology at this point.
Is wax dead?
Some years back, I did a high school reunion book on printers that used chunks
of colored wax instead of ink and thought the results were pretty good - or at
least good enough for me.
What keeps me thinking of wax is the apparent simplicity - just those solid
blocks of "stuff" - No ink capsule, no little plastic sheets to protect the ink
jets, and so-forth.
Seems like if it were made more cost-competitive it would be an attractive
alternative.
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(Msg. 51) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:56 pm
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Aren't those big machines at Costco and Walmart laser printers?
> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>> I would really rather have a 6 colors laser printer that can
>> handle photos as well or nearly as well as ink jets.
>
> I don't know that you'll get that, since you can't really
> "mix" melted plastic (toner) the way you can "mix" inks.
> Laswer an entirely different application process.
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> Someone else can correct me there, but I think it really comes
> down to toner limitations. >> Stay informed about: Kodak announces printer breakthrough |
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:56 pm
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Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
> Aren't those big machines at Costco and Walmart laser printers?
You mean for photos?
No.
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>> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>>> I would really rather have a 6 colors laser printer that can
>>> handle photos as well or nearly as well as ink jets.
>>
>> I don't know that you'll get that, since you can't really
>> "mix" melted plastic (toner) the way you can "mix" inks.
>> Laswer an entirely different application process.
>>
>> Someone else can correct me there, but I think it really comes
>> down to toner limitations.
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(Msg. 53) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:10 pm
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:07:58 +1300, frederick <lost.DeleteThis@sea.com> wrote:
>I wonder who is making the printers for Kodak? Assuming that
>Canon/Epson/HP wouldn't want to play the game, perhaps Brother or Lexmark?
The print head technology and ink are Kodak's. The
printers are built in China (like everything else these days.)
This I know for a fact. Though I also know that the technology
*looks* a whole lot like Canon's ie., it's a fixed thermal
(not piezo) head.
A company called Sigmatel (my employer) makes the controller
chip.
rafe b
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(Msg. 54) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:56 pm
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Those huge ones that are like 18 feet long and 4 feet tall?
What are they if not laser?
> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>> Aren't those big machines at Costco and Walmart laser
>> printers?
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> You mean for photos?
> No.
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>>> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>>>> I would really rather have a 6 colors laser printer that can
>>>> handle photos as well or nearly as well as ink jets.
>>>
>>> I don't know that you'll get that, since you can't really
>>> "mix" melted plastic (toner) the way you can "mix" inks.
>>> Laswer an entirely different application process.
>>>
>>> Someone else can correct me there, but I think it really
>>> comes down to toner limitations. >> Stay informed about: Kodak announces printer breakthrough |
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(Msg. 55) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:56 pm
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Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
> Those huge ones that are like 18 feet long and 4 feet tall?
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> What are they if not laser?
They aren't laser.
Laser just can't deal with glossy/semi-gloss paper like that. It would
likely melt the paper coating along with the toner.
Next time you're in Costco...just ask them.
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(Msg. 56) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:56 pm
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In article <l2Syh.612$Ys.481@newsfe10.phx>,
MarkČ <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>> Those huge ones that are like 18 feet long and 4 feet tall?
>>
>> What are they if not laser?
>
>They aren't laser.
>Laser just can't deal with glossy/semi-gloss paper like that. It would
>likely melt the paper coating along with the toner.
>
>Next time you're in Costco...just ask them.
>
As of a couple years ago, the fanciest printers were normal silver-wet
process paper chemistry and processing but instead of being exposed by
shining light through a negative, the image is raster-scannned with
laser from a digital image. The computer can do color and contrast
adjustment as needed on each spot on the page.
(I expected to see someone that actually knows waht he's talking about
step in and answer this.)
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(Msg. 57) Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:56 pm
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Al Dykes wrote:
> In article <l2Syh.612$Ys.481@newsfe10.phx>,
> MarkČ <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>>> Those huge ones that are like 18 feet long and 4 feet tall?
>>>
>>> What are they if not laser?
>>
>> They aren't laser.
>> Laser just can't deal with glossy/semi-gloss paper like that. It
>> would likely melt the paper coating along with the toner.
>>
>> Next time you're in Costco...just ask them.
>>
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> As of a couple years ago, the fanciest printers were normal silver-wet
> process paper chemistry and processing but instead of being exposed by
> shining light through a negative, the image is raster-scannned with
> laser from a digital image. The computer can do color and contrast
> adjustment as needed on each spot on the page.
>
> (I expected to see someone that actually knows waht he's talking about
> step in and answer this.)
I didn't pretend to know... I just knew that it wasn't a conventional laser
printer process as he seemed to guess... My impression has been that they
use a chemical process, too, but I've never used them even one time...so I
don't know. I print all my own stuff at this point, and have yet to ever
have someone else print a digital image for me. I've also seen them (at
Costco) sitting at what appears to be a much smaller ink-jet of some type.
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(Msg. 58) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:05 am
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Here's what they use:
http://www.noritsu.co.jp/english/products/qss3101_1.html
Here's a bit about the engine:
State-of-the-Art Laser Engine The QSS-3101-1Digital is equipped
with a laser engine that employs Noritsu Koki's
multi-paper-matching technology to make high-quality prints of
300dpi on both digital paper and conventional photographic paper,
in various sizes up to 12 x 18 inches.
> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>> Those huge ones that are like 18 feet long and 4 feet tall?
>>
>> What are they if not laser?
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> They aren't laser.
> Laser just can't deal with glossy/semi-gloss paper like that.
> It would likely melt the paper coating along with the toner.
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(Msg. 59) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:05 am
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Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
> Here's what they use:
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> http://www.noritsu.co.jp/english/products/qss3101_1.html
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> Here's a bit about the engine:
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> State-of-the-Art Laser Engine The QSS-3101-1Digital is equipped
> with a laser engine that employs Noritsu Koki's
> multi-paper-matching technology to make high-quality prints of
> 300dpi on both digital paper and conventional photographic paper,
> in various sizes up to 12 x 18 inches.
Hmmm.
Isn't this describing a film-processing machine? I thought you were talking
about what they use when people upload their memory cards.
If it prints at 300dpi using a laser printer... No thanks.
This might explain why I was silently displeased with some prints my brother
recently showed me. I could see individual dots from whatever device
created the print. Perhaps it was this machine??
Hmmm.
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>> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>>> Those huge ones that are like 18 feet long and 4 feet tall?
>>>
>>> What are they if not laser?
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>> They aren't laser.
>> Laser just can't deal with glossy/semi-gloss paper like that.
>> It would likely melt the paper coating along with the toner.
>>
>> Next time you're in Costco...just ask them.
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(Msg. 60) Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:09 am
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Found this on the Fuji line that Walmart uses:
http://www.majid.info/mylos/weblog/2002/03/20-1.html
These prints are made on real photographic paper (Fuji Crystal
archive, rated at 25 years) by a Fuji Frontier laser photo
printer which exposes the photo paper by passing red, green and
blue lasers on it, and the print is then developed
conventionally.
> In article <l2Syh.612$Ys.481@newsfe10.phx>,
> MarkČ <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>> Paul D. Sullivan wrote:
>>> Those huge ones that are like 18 feet long and 4 feet tall?
>>>
>>> What are they if not laser?
>>
>> They aren't laser.
>> Laser just can't deal with glossy/semi-gloss paper like that.
>> It would likely melt the paper coating along with the toner.
>>
>> Next time you're in Costco...just ask them.
>>
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>
>
> As of a couple years ago, the fanciest printers were normal
> silver-wet process paper chemistry and processing but instead
> of being exposed by shining light through a negative, the
> image is raster-scannned with laser from a digital image. The
> computer can do color and contrast adjustment as needed on
> each spot on the page.
>
> (I expected to see someone that actually knows waht he's
> talking about step in and answer this.) >> Stay informed about: Kodak announces printer breakthrough |
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