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Charlie Choc

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:57 pm
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:03:27 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
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>Charlie Choc <charlie.choc.RemoveThis@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:21:32 GMT, Mardon <mgb72mgb.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if Vista Ultimate x32 also takes this approach?
>>
>> Spyder2 works fine on Vista Ultimate x32 RTM.
>
>It is because x32 allows unsigned kernel mode drivers.

I know.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:57 pm
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:12:34 -0500, Charlie Choc
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>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:03:27 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
>wrote:

>>It is because x32 allows unsigned kernel mode drivers.
>
Actually, just because unsigned drivers can be used on Vista x86 doesn't mean
that all XP 32 bit drivers - signed or unsigned - will work on Vista. FWIW
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:56 pm
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Bill <bill.RemoveThis@c.a> wrote:
> WHQL signing is not just a license fee, it's a quality assurance to test
> and confirm that the drivers will not make illegals calls, use APIs
> inappropriately, etc. A signed driver means that Vista will not have any
> issues with it.
>

Yes, agreed.

> Vista hasn't been officially released yet either, so there is no use
> complaining about a lack of signed drivers until at least February or
> March. ColorVision may make signed drivers available, or they may not
> (have you contacted them?).
>

It has been officially released to manufacturers and the bits are final.
Companies can and should be actively developing for Vista.

> If not, and you're using less than 4gigs of RAM, installing the 32-bit
> edition of Vista is just as efficient. If you're running with 4gigs or
> more, then you might want to try using the F8 option during startup to
> bypass the signed driver feature (I think that still works in the
> released version). You have to hit F8 each time you startup, but that's
> only an issue if you restart your computer a lot (once a day startup is
> no big deal).

I read about the "F8" option. What a pain. I may try it at some point. I
have to stick with XP Pro x64 for the time being as too many DirectX consumers
don't play well yet on Vista [with the latest NVidia drivers anyway].

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:56 pm
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Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It seems that the Windows Vista Ultimate x64 does NOT allow unsigned drivers,
>no way, no how.

>ColorVision has yet to release signed drivers, so I seem to be SOL on using my
>Spyder 2 with Windows Vista x64. Has anybody managed to find a work around
>for this? I note that there used to be a workaround with bcedit or some odd
>utility, but it was removed for RTM.

You have only just begun to see the problems Vista is going
to give.

You bought the computer and some company tells you what you can
and can not do with it.

I have no problem with Vista warning you or even refusing to
install the driver. But if there is no way around it they
can take Vista and....

But you can't do photography in there without a flash.

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:56 pm
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Charlie Choc <charlie.choc.RemoveThis@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:12:34 -0500, Charlie Choc
> <charlie.choc.RemoveThis@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:03:27 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>
>>>It is because x32 allows unsigned kernel mode drivers.
>>
> Actually, just because unsigned drivers can be used on Vista x86 doesn't mean
> that all XP 32 bit drivers - signed or unsigned - will work on Vista. FWIW

Nobody said or implied that it did Wink

Vista simply *allows* 32-bit unsigned kernel mode drivers.

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:56 pm
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:16:30 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
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>Nobody said or implied that it did Wink
>
>Vista simply *allows* 32-bit unsigned kernel mode drivers.

Just wanted to make it clear that Spyder2 works on Vista x32 not just "because
x32 allows unsigned kernel mode drivers". Wink
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:56 pm
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Bill Funk <BigBill.RemoveThis@there.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:56:30 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
><veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>It seems that the Windows Vista Ultimate x64 does NOT allow unsigned drivers,
>>no way, no how.
>>
>>ColorVision has yet to release signed drivers, so I seem to be SOL on using my
>>Spyder 2 with Windows Vista x64. Has anybody managed to find a work around
>>for this? I note that there used to be a workaround with bcedit or some odd
>>utility, but it was removed for RTM.

>Dual boot with XP.

Why? Why not wait a year or so and then see what is happening.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:47 am
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 15:48:37 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>Roger <GetValidAddress DeleteThis @my.com> wrote:
>> I'm still keeping XP Pro in a dual boot configuration as I have 5 OEMs
>> and 1 XP 64 OEM and I'll be staying with those as long as XP remains
>> viable. By then I hope there is a good, easy for the general users to
>> use alternative to MS. OR an MS product that has the users in mind
>> rater than the entertainment industry.
>>
>
>Odd ... I haven't had any issues doing ANYTHING that I want with multimedia on
>Vista. No problems with ANYTHING.
>
Your experiences are quite different than what the trade journals are
reporting.

>> I've used MS operating systems since MSDOS, but Vista finally got me
>> to seriously try something else.
>>
>
>That's too bad as I think you might be a little paranoid.

Certainly I am. I'm also aware of what has been coming up in said
journals. I have little faith in Vista and currently XP and LINUX are
capable of doing every thing I want for a *lot* less money.



>
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:56 am
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Charlie Choc <charlie.choc.TakeThisOut@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>Vista simply *allows* 32-bit unsigned kernel mode drivers.
>
> Just wanted to make it clear that Spyder2 works on Vista x32 not just "because
> x32 allows unsigned kernel mode drivers". Wink

True, however, it should not be ignored that the Spyder2 drivers are indeed
unsigned.

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(Msg. 40) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:56 am
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Paul J Gans <gans.RemoveThis@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>Dual boot with XP.
>
> Why? Why not wait a year or so and then see what is happening.

Because I am a consultant that will be targetting Vista for some of the work
that I do and would prefer NOT to have to dual-boot or put different operating
systems on my development machines.

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(Msg. 41) Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:56 am
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Roger <GetValidAddress.RemoveThis@my.com> wrote:
>>
>>Odd ... I haven't had any issues doing ANYTHING that I want with multimedia on
>>Vista. No problems with ANYTHING.
>>
> Your experiences are quite different than what the trade journals are
> reporting.
>

Can you cite a link?

>>> I've used MS operating systems since MSDOS, but Vista finally got me
>>> to seriously try something else.
>>>
>>
>>That's too bad as I think you might be a little paranoid.
>
> Certainly I am. I'm also aware of what has been coming up in said
> journals. I have little faith in Vista and currently XP and LINUX are
> capable of doing every thing I want for a *lot* less money.
>

I have actually been using Vista. I guess that isn't as good as reading
articles about Beta 2 in a magazine though.

As far as alternative operating systems go, I run a machine [a
gateway/firewall/router/jack-of-all-trades] machine hanging off of my cable
modem that is running FreeBSD (amd64 ... just built the 6.2-RELEASE bits).
I dual-boot Gentoo on my desktop, but I don't do any development work
targetting Linux. And of course, I am using XP Pro for my development needs.

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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:59 am
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Use virtual PC and virtual Server.

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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:15 am
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 11:02:38 -0500, J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet DeleteThis @cox.net>
wrote:

<snip>
>I don't see where unsigned drivers being disallowed is necessarily
>that much of a problem--for the most part 32-bit drivers won't work
>anyway and one would hope that the developers of the 64-bit drivers
>grasp the concept that the drivers have to be signed to be
>installable.
>
>Might also discourage the morons who implement part of their
>applications as device drivers despite there being no devices in
>sight.
As a suprisingly high number of scanner drivers and other periphials
are unsigned it could turn out to be a real problem.

I can write programs that work with I/O on XP but Vista will not
accept them. I understand that if you want your driver certified as
signed it costs money. Many small outfits are going to be out of the
running if that is the case.

So far I've only found a few apps that do not run with 64 Bit XP Pro
and it uses all the memory I want to feed it.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:19 am
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:54:46 GMT, Mardon <mgb72mgb.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I could
>> install x32, but then I would lose 0.8GB down to 3.2GB (and only if I
>> reconfigured the BIOS which prevents dual-boot to x64).
>
>I have 5GB installed and haven't made the switch yet to x64; still on XP
>Pro x32. I figured Vista might be the time to do move to x64. I hate to
>have unused memory. I think I'll do a through check of all my hardware to
>see which items have 64 bit drivers available.

You can still get OEM 64 bit XP pro for less than $140 USD.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:08 am
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:49:52 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Roger <GetValidAddress.RemoveThis@my.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Odd ... I haven't had any issues doing ANYTHING that I want with multimedia on
>>>Vista. No problems with ANYTHING.
>>>
>> Your experiences are quite different than what the trade journals are
>> reporting.
>>
>
>Can you cite a link?

Sure although you'll have to go back a ways. I think you'll find
comments in ZD net (George Ou
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=402&tag=nl.e539 ), Computer World, Info
World (Check out Gripe Line), and I'm trying to remember the name of
one other. I picked George's complaints as I remembered that one and
I had to go back quite a ways to find it. The others would take some
searching, but tend to be along the lines of DRM complaints, Signed
drivers, or lack there of, and cost of Vista Ultimate. These would
more than likely be under editorials in said magazines.

>
>>>> I've used MS operating systems since MSDOS, but Vista finally got me
>>>> to seriously try something else.
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's too bad as I think you might be a little paranoid.
>>
>> Certainly I am. I'm also aware of what has been coming up in said
>> journals. I have little faith in Vista and currently XP and LINUX are
>> capable of doing every thing I want for a *lot* less money.
>>
>
>I have actually been using Vista. I guess that isn't as good as reading
>articles about Beta 2 in a magazine though.

I get gun shy after the one time reactivation try, DRM, and the
complaints I read.
>
>As far as alternative operating systems go, I run a machine [a
>gateway/firewall/router/jack-of-all-trades] machine hanging off of my cable
>modem that is running FreeBSD (amd64 ... just built the 6.2-RELEASE bits).

Likewise, modem, router, firewall, switch and individual firewalls on
each computer.

I currently have 5 machines. I'm just finishing up an AMD Athlon 64 FX
dual core with a base clock frequency of 2.8 Megs, large fans that are
high volume, low RPM and very low noise. I'm running XP Pro 64 on it
and have only found one app that wouldn't load. I stayed away from
Norton on that one. It easily over clocks by 15 % to 3 Gig basic core
frequency without a noticeable change in temperature with the stock
heat sink and is stable although I normally leave it at the stock 2.8
Gig.
I'm having to adapt a Silent Square cooler to the CPU. It's listed as
fitting the CPU and the Asus motherboard. Unfortunately although it
fits the processor it does not match up with the holes in the
motherboard, meaning I'm going to have to make a pair of adapter
plates. They are fairly simple. Two flat plates 3 3/8" X 1" with 3
holes to the cooler mount and two screw holes on each side to match
the heat sink retainer bracket.
The video card is a relatively simple Sapphire X1950XT with Video in
and video our (VIVO) as well as dual digital outputs. I probably
should have gone with better, but it's adequate for now.

>I dual-boot Gentoo on my desktop, but I don't do any development work
>targetting Linux. And of course, I am using XP Pro for my development needs.

As am I although I do have a project going to interface the computer
with packet radio and some existing software in LINUX. I'd like to
rewrite the existing program that works in DOS or LINUX for XP, but
I'm afraid it'd be huge and most of these are being set up on old,
slow, computers with little storage.

I dual boot with LINUX but Fedora is finding fault with the Asus BIOS.
I think there is a way around that by installing from the command line
with out doing some of the checks. It want's to use a clock function
for a delay and that is not available for the one function, nor is the
memory hole.
My other machine in the shop is also dual boot, but it's a 32 bit
machine. This one in the den is a3.4 Gig XP Plus, 64 bit, but not
dual boot as I have to change the C drive out for a larger one as XP
Pro needs to be "repaired" as it's getting a bit flaky. Although I
could put Fedora Core 6, 64 bit on a second drive which would probably
be a lot easier. I may just do that and change the case to a full
size ThermalTake VA8003BWS Black Full Tower Case w/ 25CM Fan in the
side cover. It's a big, *heavy* case with a set of useless doors on
the front, but it's roomy and quiet even when pushing a lot of air
through. BTW the 2.8 Gig FX 64 dual core is way faster than this 3.4
XP Plus and I'm getting spoiled..

I have all these flimsy mid size tower cases with noisy fans. The
ThermalTake VA800 series is a bit more expensive, but you could stand
on one and they have lots of room inside. Now if it weren't for those
useless doors on the front.

I would happily spend the money to put the two computers here in the
Den into those VA800s just to quiet them down even if they are
considerably larger.

I do a lot of AV work and photo processing/scanning/digital cameras
which takes a lot of storage on HD as well as DVDs for backup.
I find the new one works great with Photoshop although I may have to
scan on this one and process on that one as I seriously doubt Nikon
has any 64 bit drivers, but maybe. OTOH they aren't known for being
quite that forward. <sigh>

I've only had it up and partially loaded for two days and I'm already
spoiled.

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