Windows Vista x64 & Spyder2

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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:03:23 GMT, Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:


>AZ Nomad <aznomad.2.DeleteThis@premoveobthisox.com> wrote:
>> Why bother? THe evidence is available for you to see at microsoft's site.
>> Their 64 bit OSs require 64 bit drivers.
>>

>Kernel mode drivers, yes. User mode drivers, I believe, can be 32-bit.

Can your typical printer driver, usb device driver, or other user installed
peripheral be installed using the 32 bit XP driver under vista? Does
vista have XP's idiotic behavior of treating a USB device connected to a
different port as a totally new device?
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Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> It seems that the Windows Vista Ultimate x64 does NOT allow unsigned drivers,
> no way, no how.
>
> ColorVision has yet to release signed drivers, so I seem to be SOL on using my
> Spyder 2 with Windows Vista x64. Has anybody managed to find a work around
> for this? I note that there used to be a workaround with bcedit or some odd
> utility, but it was removed for RTM.
>

I don't use Vista nor do I intend to get Vista. XP works fine with all
my software. My workaround suggestion would be to use XP.
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:16:14 -0800, nick c <nick.TakeThisOut@planetmars.com>
wrote:

>Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>> It seems that the Windows Vista Ultimate x64 does NOT allow unsigned drivers,
>> no way, no how.

Nor is it likely to in the future.

>>
>> ColorVision has yet to release signed drivers, so I seem to be SOL on using my
>> Spyder 2 with Windows Vista x64. Has anybody managed to find a work around
>> for this? I note that there used to be a workaround with bcedit or some odd
>> utility, but it was removed for RTM.
>>
>
>I don't use Vista nor do I intend to get Vista. XP works fine with all
>my software. My workaround suggestion would be to use XP.

AMEN! If you are into multi-media I would think more than twice and
*strongly* about moving to Vista. Remember that in addition to the
signed drivers with Vista's Digital Rights Management (DRM) you are
basically turning control of your multimedia system over to MS. That
means any copyrighted material will probably require not only signed
drivers, but specific hard ware. The hardware/soft ware will determine
whether you are allowed to copy or play any particular music, or
video. It will also determine whether you can copy or save off the air
material. Computers large and small have been my profession for many
years so I have enough background to view Vista's potential with a
rather jaundiced eye.

Those in the computer professions will verify the fire storm raised
when Vista OEMs were going to be a one time reactivation only. Most of
us that would be classed as power users would have been out of
business in a couple of weeks. MS backed off on that one.

I have a lot of hard ware and I'd guess about half of the drivers are
unsigned. I have both XP Pro and XP Pro 64. Drivers are really
difficult to find for XP 64. Due to the signed requirement they will
be even more scarce (at least for a while) for Vista. If you use
your computer in your multimedia system Vista has problems getting
along with their own media players

I'm just finishing up a state-of-the-art multi-media system with dual
core, PCI-Express, HD TV tuner, external ports for cameras (video and
still) and over a Terabyte of storage.

Vista's one time reactivation was enough to get me to try Fedora Core
LINUX. and I found I like it. Ubuntu LINUX would most likely be more
of an end user OS though. At any rate I can do almost all of my work
and multimedia on Fedora. Open Office is free and replaces most of
what is offered in MS Office Pro. It will also read all the MS
documents and write back in a format that can be read by MS office.

I'm still keeping XP Pro in a dual boot configuration as I have 5 OEMs
and 1 XP 64 OEM and I'll be staying with those as long as XP remains
viable. By then I hope there is a good, easy for the general users to
use alternative to MS. OR an MS product that has the users in mind
rater than the entertainment industry.

I've used MS operating systems since MSDOS, but Vista finally got me
to seriously try something else.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:21:32 GMT, Mardon <mgb72mgb DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder if Vista Ultimate x32 also takes this approach?

Spyder2 works fine on Vista Ultimate x32 RTM.
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AZ Nomad <aznomad.2.TakeThisOut@premoveobthisox.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:03:23 GMT, Thomas T. Veldhouse <veldy71.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>AZ Nomad <aznomad.2.TakeThisOut@premoveobthisox.com> wrote:
>>> Why bother? THe evidence is available for you to see at microsoft's site.
>>> Their 64 bit OSs require 64 bit drivers.
>>>
>
>>Kernel mode drivers, yes. User mode drivers, I believe, can be 32-bit.
>
> Can your typical printer driver, usb device driver, or other user installed
> peripheral be installed using the 32 bit XP driver under vista? Does
> vista have XP's idiotic behavior of treating a USB device connected to a
> different port as a totally new device?
>

Many USB device drivers are kernel mode drivers [as the Spyder2 driver is], so
the answer is generally NO.

I fail to understand your complaint about USB devices connected to a different
port as a totally new device. What is the problem? I hook the Spyder2 up for
instance, and it installs the driver the first time; after that, it just
recognizes the device, no matter which port I hook it to.

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AZ Nomad <aznomad.2 DeleteThis @premoveobthisox.com> wrote:
>
> It is yet to be seen wether or not vista will be any more secure. Until
> microsoft quits having users log in as administrators as the default and
> until applications start working properly with users who aren't
> administrators, nothing will change.

Vista security is pretty much off topic for this thread.

Having said that, there are real benefits to using Vista over Windows XP, and
as with previous windows releases, time will force the majority of users to
upgrade if they want to continue to use the leading edge software and
hardware.

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Rita ? Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com> wrote:
> AZ Nomad wrote:
>
>>> Yes, I know ... and I might. But, I HATE dual booting.
>>
>> Stick with XP. Vista offers nothing except for the ability to make
>> screaming fast harware run dog slow.
>
> Finally someone with some common sense. Why would anyone *NOT* want to use
> XP is beyond me. Let me guess? I'll bet the person suffering with Vista is
> using AMD? It wouldn't surprise me.
>

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Asus P5W DH Deluxe
4GB DDR2-800 Patriot 4-4-4-12
SATA everthing [500/250GB Seagate Barracudas .. no RAID, just AHCI]
XFX GeForce 7950GT 512MB
Creative Audigy 4 SE 7.1 Surround

Nope .... no AMD.

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nick c <nick RemoveThis @planetmars.com> wrote:
> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>> It seems that the Windows Vista Ultimate x64 does NOT allow unsigned drivers,
>> no way, no how.
>>
>> ColorVision has yet to release signed drivers, so I seem to be SOL on using my
>> Spyder 2 with Windows Vista x64. Has anybody managed to find a work around
>> for this? I note that there used to be a workaround with bcedit or some odd
>> utility, but it was removed for RTM.
>>
>
> I don't use Vista nor do I intend to get Vista. XP works fine with all
> my software. My workaround suggestion would be to use XP.
>

It IS what I am using. But, I would prefer to move to Vista as it is a target
platform for my development effort. XP Pro x64 works fine for most things
[oddly, Half-Life 2 from Steam is not working, but Half-Life 2 Deathmatch IS
working].

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Roger <GetValidAddress.TakeThisOut@my.com> wrote:
> I'm still keeping XP Pro in a dual boot configuration as I have 5 OEMs
> and 1 XP 64 OEM and I'll be staying with those as long as XP remains
> viable. By then I hope there is a good, easy for the general users to
> use alternative to MS. OR an MS product that has the users in mind
> rater than the entertainment industry.
>

Odd ... I haven't had any issues doing ANYTHING that I want with multimedia on
Vista. No problems with ANYTHING.

> I've used MS operating systems since MSDOS, but Vista finally got me
> to seriously try something else.
>

That's too bad as I think you might be a little paranoid.

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On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:16:47 -0500, Roger <GetValidAddress DeleteThis @my.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:16:14 -0800, nick c <nick DeleteThis @planetmars.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>>> It seems that the Windows Vista Ultimate x64 does NOT allow unsigned drivers,
>>> no way, no how.
>
>Nor is it likely to in the future.
>
>>>
>>> ColorVision has yet to release signed drivers, so I seem to be SOL on using my
>>> Spyder 2 with Windows Vista x64. Has anybody managed to find a work around
>>> for this? I note that there used to be a workaround with bcedit or some odd
>>> utility, but it was removed for RTM.
>>>
>>
>>I don't use Vista nor do I intend to get Vista. XP works fine with all
>>my software. My workaround suggestion would be to use XP.
>
>AMEN! If you are into multi-media I would think more than twice and
>*strongly* about moving to Vista. Remember that in addition to the
>signed drivers with Vista's Digital Rights Management (DRM) you are
>basically turning control of your multimedia system over to MS. That
>means any copyrighted material will probably require not only signed
>drivers, but specific hard ware. The hardware/soft ware will determine
>whether you are allowed to copy or play any particular music, or
>video. It will also determine whether you can copy or save off the air
>material. Computers large and small have been my profession for many
>years so I have enough background to view Vista's potential with a
>rather jaundiced eye.

If that is true then the same material probably cannot be played at
all on a non-Vista computer.

And you are confusing copyrighted and copy protected.

>Those in the computer professions will verify the fire storm raised
>when Vista OEMs were going to be a one time reactivation only. Most of
>us that would be classed as power users would have been out of
>business in a couple of weeks. MS backed off on that one.
>
>I have a lot of hard ware and I'd guess about half of the drivers are
>unsigned. I have both XP Pro and XP Pro 64. Drivers are really
>difficult to find for XP 64. Due to the signed requirement they will
>be even more scarce (at least for a while) for Vista. If you use
>your computer in your multimedia system Vista has problems getting
>along with their own media players
>
>I'm just finishing up a state-of-the-art multi-media system with dual
>core, PCI-Express, HD TV tuner, external ports for cameras (video and
>still) and over a Terabyte of storage.
>
>Vista's one time reactivation was enough to get me to try Fedora Core
>LINUX. and I found I like it. Ubuntu LINUX would most likely be more
>of an end user OS though. At any rate I can do almost all of my work
>and multimedia on Fedora. Open Office is free and replaces most of
>what is offered in MS Office Pro. It will also read all the MS
>documents and write back in a format that can be read by MS office.
>
>I'm still keeping XP Pro in a dual boot configuration as I have 5 OEMs
>and 1 XP 64 OEM and I'll be staying with those as long as XP remains
>viable. By then I hope there is a good, easy for the general users to
>use alternative to MS. OR an MS product that has the users in mind
>rater than the entertainment industry.
>
>I've used MS operating systems since MSDOS, but Vista finally got me
>to seriously try something else.

Good luck getting HD premium cable to play on that "something else".
>
>Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
>(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
>www.rogerhalstead.com
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"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> I don't see where unsigned drivers being disallowed is necessarily
>> that much of a problem--for the most part 32-bit drivers won't work
>> anyway and one would hope that the developers of the 64-bit drivers
>> grasp the concept that the drivers have to be signed to be
>> installable.
>
> ColorVision released 64-bit drivers in August for the Spyder 2 ... but
> they
> still haven't signed them. It is a simple matter of getting a $500
> cert and
> authority to sign them.

It's not quite that simple.

WHQL signing is not just a license fee, it's a quality assurance to test
and confirm that the drivers will not make illegals calls, use APIs
inappropriately, etc. A signed driver means that Vista will not have any
issues with it.

>> Might also discourage the morons who implement part of their
>> applications as device drivers despite there being no devices in
>> sight.
>
> Cheap morons perhaps; it is still not a big or expensive deal to sign
> drivers.

It's a big deal if the authors have to completely re-write the drivers
in order to get them to pass the WHQL signing. It might not be worth
their time and money to do so, which is why driver signing is still
going to be a problem for a while.

Vista hasn't been officially released yet either, so there is no use
complaining about a lack of signed drivers until at least February or
March. ColorVision may make signed drivers available, or they may not
(have you contacted them?).

If not, and you're using less than 4gigs of RAM, installing the 32-bit
edition of Vista is just as efficient. If you're running with 4gigs or
more, then you might want to try using the F8 option during startup to
bypass the signed driver feature (I think that still works in the
released version). You have to hit F8 each time you startup, but that's
only an issue if you restart your computer a lot (once a day startup is
no big deal).
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Charlie Choc <charlie.choc.TakeThisOut@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:21:32 GMT, Mardon <mgb72mgb.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if Vista Ultimate x32 also takes this approach?
>
> Spyder2 works fine on Vista Ultimate x32 RTM.

It is because x32 allows unsigned kernel mode drivers.

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