Waterproof paper for map printing

I use basically the same technique for for taping maps and directions
to the tank of my motorcycle. You don't want to slow down too much in
a light rain or else you start to get rain on your visor. In a
ziplock, they stay perfectly dry so you can keep going!
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Would it be obvious to say -- use a laser printer or photocopy your
maps? Photocopies never run. And a good networked copies will allow
you to print to 11x17.
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Print your maps on the paper of your choice.
Don't worry about the ink either.

When you're done, spray both sides of the map
with KRYLON clear sealer.

It's a plastic base sealer that will
permeate the paper, and seal in the ink images.



On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:04:52 GMT, "Keith Sheppard" <keith.sheppard.DeleteThis@tesco.net>
wrote:

>I want to get some waterproof paper for my ink jet printer so I can print
>walking maps and not have all the colours run if the weather takes a turn
>for the worse. I'm not too worried about the paper being very heavy weight.
>I'd like to be able to fold it easily and a rarely use a map for more than a
>single trip. Image quality isn't an issue provided the map is legible.
>
>A quick trawl of UK internet sites has brought up a wide price range from
>just under four pounds for 20 sheets to nearly 15 pounds for 25 sheets.
>Does anyone have any first hand experience of waterproof papers. Do you get
>any extra benefit from the more expensive papers? Anyone care to suggest a
>good value for money waterproof paper, preferably available for order in the
>UK.
>
>Keith
>

<rj>
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I've done this as well for signs that had to hold up to the weather for a
few weeks. Worked great.

I used whatever clear spray I had handy.

GC

>
> I do waterproof maps for day trips all the time. I just
> use the ordinary paper and coat it with krylon clear
> matte finish #47120. I've been using this for a very
> long time, back to when I used to use it to prevent
> toner from a laser printer from smudging on stuff like
> business cards. Works really well and is quite cheap.
>
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:05:12 GMT, snapper DeleteThis @mailinator.com wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:04:52 GMT, "Keith Sheppard" <keith.sheppard DeleteThis @tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> I want to get some waterproof paper for my ink jet printer so I can print
>> walking maps and not have all the colours run if the weather takes a turn
>> for the worse. I'm not too worried about the paper being very heavy weight.
>> I'd like to be able to fold it easily and a rarely use a map for more than a
>> single trip. Image quality isn't an issue provided the map is legible.
>>
>> A quick trawl of UK internet sites has brought up a wide price range from
>> just under four pounds for 20 sheets to nearly 15 pounds for 25 sheets.
>> Does anyone have any first hand experience of waterproof papers. Do you get
>> any extra benefit from the more expensive papers? Anyone care to suggest a
>> good value for money waterproof paper, preferably available for order in the
>> UK.
>
>Forget waterproof paper all together.
>
>Think about getting a laminator.

Office Depot (and other stores) sell self-sealing letter-sized
laminating pouches. No heat is required. You can even mark spots on
the surface and erase them later.

I have a package of GBC 11 9/16" x 9 1/16" that I just purchased.

I also use the smaller sized self-sealing laminating pouches for
wallet photos. With two very young grandchildren, it's a great way to
seal a photo and carry it around. If I'm going to bore people with
pix of the grandchildren, I don't want to show them cracked and folded
pix.


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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 04:39:49 GMT, Tony Cooper
<tony_cooper213 DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:05:12 GMT, snapper DeleteThis @mailinator.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 07:04:52 GMT, "Keith Sheppard" <keith.sheppard DeleteThis @tesco.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to get some waterproof paper for my ink jet printer so I can print
>>> walking maps and not have all the colours run if the weather takes a turn
>>> for the worse. I'm not too worried about the paper being very heavy weight.
>>> I'd like to be able to fold it easily and a rarely use a map for more than a
>>> single trip. Image quality isn't an issue provided the map is legible.
>>>
>>> A quick trawl of UK internet sites has brought up a wide price range from
>>> just under four pounds for 20 sheets to nearly 15 pounds for 25 sheets.
>>> Does anyone have any first hand experience of waterproof papers. Do you get
>>> any extra benefit from the more expensive papers? Anyone care to suggest a
>>> good value for money waterproof paper, preferably available for order in the
>>> UK.
>>
>>Forget waterproof paper all together.
>>
>>Think about getting a laminator.
>
>Office Depot (and other stores) sell self-sealing letter-sized
>laminating pouches. No heat is required. You can even mark spots on
>the surface and erase them later.
>
>I have a package of GBC 11 9/16" x 9 1/16" that I just purchased.

Sorry...didn't notice you're in the UK. Viking and EurOffice carry
GBC products. Check for "SelfSeal Repositionable Letter-Size
Laminating Pouches". Here, it's product #3747202 but the UK A4
product will have a different number.



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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL
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I wasn't thinking color. I use b&w maps on my motocycle and haven't
gotten lost yet due to lack of color. Okay, that's a bit cynical,
sorry, but do you really need color for a walking map? Just a thought.
I generally try to go for "low tech" solutions because they seem to
work better for me.

BTW, I've used Krylon on photos and didn't have the luck I wanted.
When it got a drop of water on it, the emulsion pulled off and left a
big white spot. But the Krylon kept the spot that pulled off all in 1
piece. but it was photos paper, too, not regular paper with a much
better absorption.
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>>What printer??
Canon ip5000.

I've just placed an order for some "Toughprint" (tm) waterproof paper which
I believe is similar to a product distributed by National Geographic in the
US. It was expensive but as well as being waterproof it claims other useful
attributes for mapping - for example being easy to roll or fold but tear
resistant. It is specifically marketed as suitable for maps and I have seen
some good reviews.

Keith
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Keith Sheppard wrote:
>>>What printer??
>
> Canon ip5000.
>
> I've just placed an order for some "Toughprint" (tm) waterproof paper which
> I believe is similar to a product distributed by National Geographic in the
> US. It was expensive but as well as being waterproof it claims other useful
> attributes for mapping - for example being easy to roll or fold but tear
> resistant. It is specifically marketed as suitable for maps and I have seen
> some good reviews.

Thanks for posting the followup to a good question. You got a
comprehensive view of ways to achieve this.

--
john mcwilliams
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>>Get it printed onto the back of a T-shirt - give it to a walking partner &
>>get them to walk in front of you - sorted!!

Perfect solution. If I need two sheets, I guess I could print both sides
and get them to walk backwards as and when necessary.

Keith
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>>If a paper is waterproof, they how would an inkjet printer
>>print. I suppose there may be other ink types.
Don't ask me. I can only suppose that the coating lets ink through in one
direction only. Toughprint make separate products for inkjet and laser
printers but there's no mention of any special ink requirements.

Keith
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>>Would it be obvious to say -- use a laser printer or photocopy your
>>maps? Photocopies never run. And a good networked copies will allow
>>you to print to 11x17.
This may be a viable solution bit I don't have access to a colour laser
printer or photocopier. I don't really want to go to the trouble or expense
of getting it done professionally in the high street. I'm trying to work
around the resources to hand, viz my inkjet printer.

Keith
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"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet.RemoveThis@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
> David J. Littleboy wrote:
>> "Keith Sheppard" <keith.sheppard.RemoveThis@tesco.net> wrote:
>>>I want to get some waterproof paper for my ink jet printer so I can print
>>>walking maps and not have all the colours run if the weather takes a turn
>>>for the worse. I'm not too worried about the paper being very heavy
>>>weight. I'd like to be able to fold it easily and a rarely use a map for
>>>more than a single trip. Image quality isn't an issue provided the map
>>>is
>>>legible.
>>
>> I'd think that your problem would be more a matter of the ink than the
>> paper. If you print with a pigment ink printer (e.g. Epson R800), your
>> maps won't run, but if you have a dye ink printer, they will. Whatever
>> paper you use. At least that's the experience here.
>
> Have you tried it with purpose made waterproof papers for inkjet printers?

Nope. Given that the inks themselves are water soluble, I'm surprised the
paper makes much of a difference, but that's what people are reporting.

I'm only reporting that both the HP and Epson dye inks I've used are trashed
by water on plain paper and generic glossy photo paper, but that pigment
inks aren't.

So I'd guess, pigment inks on "waterproof" paper would be the best of all
possible worlds. (But, by Murphy's law, maybe waterproof paper doesn't hold
on to pigment inks as well as generic paper does.)

> As an experiment I tried immersing a piece of HP glossy photo paper and it
> held the ink until the coating itself softened and started to come off,
> and
> that took a while. Others report that some of the Epson photo quality
> papers are completely waterproof.
>
> One person reports printing on waterproof paper using the cheapest printer
> he could find and then taking the resulting maps kayaking with no
> problems.
> He reported that on initial wetting there was fading which produced spots,
> however if he after printing soaked the print for a while to pre-fade it
> then that problem went away.

The other thing, though, is that even with dye-based inks on non-waterproof
paper, _some_ of the ink will remain in place, and at least for black-only
line art, I'd think a readable image might remain, even with kayaking...

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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