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Chris Malcolm

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:21 am
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billstrather <unknown.RemoveThis@zeromail.org> wrote:

> I only buy top of the line P&S cameras. All of the ones that I own have EV
> compensation one button away. Or more importantly, all the manual controls for
> each function only one button away. I wouldn't buy one that didn't have all the
> primary functions of any camera under each finger. Automatic exposure is never
> accurate for any subject, ever. Anyone who doesn't know this only reveals how
> much photography experience they have.

Anyone who hasn't yet even discovered that good modern autoexposure is
more often correct than not certainly does reveal their photographic
experience.

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:25 pm
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On 24 Nov 2007 11:21:05 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam DeleteThis @holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>billstrather <unknown DeleteThis @zeromail.org> wrote:
>
>> I only buy top of the line P&S cameras. All of the ones that I own have EV
>> compensation one button away. Or more importantly, all the manual controls for
>> each function only one button away. I wouldn't buy one that didn't have all the
>> primary functions of any camera under each finger. Automatic exposure is never
>> accurate for any subject, ever. Anyone who doesn't know this only reveals how
>> much photography experience they have.
>
>Anyone who hasn't yet even discovered that good modern autoexposure is
>more often correct than not certainly does reveal their photographic
>experience.

You don't have much photography experience do you. Nor with many cameras.
Probably with no diversity of subjects either.

Quick, what exposure setting will you use for a macro-photo shot of the intense
specular highlights off of snow in sunlight, those highlights are magnitudes
brighter than the snow. Reflecting in a myriad of rainbow colors. What exposure
setting will you use so as not to lose those intense, extremely bright colors
without making the snow look gray or black? Be reminded that if you expose for
too low those colors will be easily lost in the clipping that occurs in digital
media. Each one is only 1 value away from blowing out the R, G, or B limits of
the sensor in which it resides. Pay no attention to the camera's auto exposure
settings, it can't even see those specks of intense colors and will discard
them, averaged in with all the snow behind them.

I could type 10 books worth of examples just like this. Each example as
difficult and each perfectly showing where the "Auto" setting in ANY camera will
fail to provide me with what I need to know and fail to capture what I wanted to
capture.

As I said, you don't have much photography experience, nor with many cameras, do
you. Either that or you just shoot pictures at kid's birthday parties and have
never once in your life pushed your snapshooter's skills beyond that.

Go back to rec.photo.digital.beginners and quit wasting the time of people that
know what they are doing.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:24 pm
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billstrather <unknown.DeleteThis@zeromail.org> wrote:
> On 24 Nov 2007 11:21:05 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam.DeleteThis@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>>billstrather <unknown.DeleteThis@zeromail.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I only buy top of the line P&S cameras. All of the ones that I own have EV
>>> compensation one button away. Or more importantly, all the manual controls for
>>> each function only one button away. I wouldn't buy one that didn't have all the
>>> primary functions of any camera under each finger. Automatic exposure is never
>>> accurate for any subject, ever. Anyone who doesn't know this only reveals how
>>> much photography experience they have.

>>Anyone who hasn't yet even discovered that good modern autoexposure is
>>more often correct than not certainly does reveal their photographic
>>experience.

> You don't have much photography experience do you. Nor with many cameras.
> Probably with no diversity of subjects either.

> Quick, what exposure setting will you use for a macro-photo shot of the intense
> specular highlights off of snow in sunlight, those highlights are magnitudes
> brighter than the snow.

Exactly my point. All you can think of are exceptional conditions.

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:40 pm
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On 24 Nov 2007 21:24:54 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam.RemoveThis@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:

>billstrather <unknown.RemoveThis@zeromail.org> wrote:
>> On 24 Nov 2007 11:21:05 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam.RemoveThis@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>>>billstrather <unknown.RemoveThis@zeromail.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I only buy top of the line P&S cameras. All of the ones that I own have EV
>>>> compensation one button away. Or more importantly, all the manual controls for
>>>> each function only one button away. I wouldn't buy one that didn't have all the
>>>> primary functions of any camera under each finger. Automatic exposure is never
>>>> accurate for any subject, ever. Anyone who doesn't know this only reveals how
>>>> much photography experience they have.
>
>>>Anyone who hasn't yet even discovered that good modern autoexposure is
>>>more often correct than not certainly does reveal their photographic
>>>experience.
>
>> You don't have much photography experience do you. Nor with many cameras.
>> Probably with no diversity of subjects either.
>
>> Quick, what exposure setting will you use for a macro-photo shot of the intense
>> specular highlights off of snow in sunlight, those highlights are magnitudes
>> brighter than the snow.
>
>Exactly my point. All you can think of are exceptional conditions.

Exactly my point, all my photography is exceptional and not one camera yet can
come close to meet what I consider an adequate auto-exposure system. A shame
that your photography isn't exceptional or you would know this.

Enjoy taking "Auto" snapshots, I prefer to be a photographer.

2, or is it 3 times now you've proven you're nothing but an inexperienced
armchair photographer troll. Find someone else to troll now.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:01 am
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On Nov 24, 10:25 pm, billstrather <unkn....TakeThisOut@zeromail.org> wrote:
> ... a macro-photo shot
> ... highlights are magnitudes brighter

A 'macro-photo shot'???
'magnitudes brighter'???


((O:

<sarcasm>
Oh yeah, that sort of language really backs up your claim of being in
the biz for years... (grin)
</sarcasm>
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:17 am
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On Nov 25, 7:17 pm, billstrather <unkn... RemoveThis @zeromail.org> wrote:
> Go look up "magnitude".... It's a WELL KNOWN unit of
> measure. Far beyond any F-stop reference

Yup. I'm just off to do some "portrait-photo" shooting. I'll be
using my "magnitude-meter" to watch my "F-stop references".

Thanks so much for learning me how to photography speak, Yoda.
Appreciated, it is.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:23 am
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> "David J Taylor" <david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
> wrote
>> Paul Bartram wrote:

>> No, but if you keep the camera in a pouch like I do, it is
>> infuriating to find the glass every damn time! The filter ring
>> definitely helps.

> I tend to stow my cameras and lenses with lens caps, as it happens.

That's obviously a good idea, its just that the 995 lens is so small, you'd
have to attach the cap or keep losing it, and I hate dangling things
everywhere...

>> Early in my 'career' I had a Rolliecord, then a Rollieflex, and that
>> sold me on waist-level finders. Also, I am only 168cm tall, but the
>> 995 lets me shoot over a crowd. I also like unusual low-level shots
>> that would be very awkward with a non-swivel unit. Example:
>> http://www.bestsharing.com/files/qJZn1371380/Different%20Angle.JPG.html

> I see no image on that page with Firefox, but the Download File works.

I use that site mainly for video files, it isn't really designed for images
or other small files. At least the HTML interface gives you something to
stare at as a 22 Mb movie uploads at 4 Kb/sec!

> Actually I managed so ground-level shots with my DSLR ar a recent Grand
> Prix pit walk, but of course come cropping may be required. As they were
> more "artistic" shots the exact framing didn't matter.

'Blind' shots with an SLR often come out well IF you have a wide angle lens
on it. You can't miss really...

> Sharing as o9 from Edinburgh (assuming you have Plane Plotter as well as
> your SBS?).

That makes absolutely no sense. You do know the SBS I was talking about is
an Australian TV station? Oh, and Labour won the election. Woohoo.

Paul
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:23 am
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Paul Bartram wrote:
[]
> That makes absolutely no sense. You do know the SBS I was talking
> about is an Australian TV station? Oh, and Labour won the election.
> Woohoo.
> Paul

Ah, I thought you were watching planes on the SBS-1 virtual radar:

http://www.kineticavionics.co.uk/sbs-1.php

There's quite an interest down under, and I'm sure it beats watching the
TV!

Cheers,
David
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:23 am
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Paul Bartram wrote:
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>>> Early in my 'career' I had a Rolliecord, then a Rollieflex, and that
>>> sold me on waist-level finders. Also, I am only 168cm tall, but the
>>> 995 lets me shoot over a crowd. I also like unusual low-level shots
>>> that would be very awkward with a non-swivel unit. Example:
>>> http://www.bestsharing.com/files/qJZn1371380/Different%20Angle.JPG.html
>
>> I see no image on that page with Firefox, but the Download File
>> works.
>
> I use that site mainly for video files, it isn't really designed for
> images or other small files. At least the HTML interface gives you
> something to stare at as a 22 Mb movie uploads at 4 Kb/sec!

Paul, what are you supposed to see there?

Cheers,
David
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:23 am
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:01:45 -0800 (PST), mark.thomas.7 RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:

>On Nov 24, 10:25 pm, billstrather <unkn... RemoveThis @zeromail.org> wrote:
>> ... a macro-photo shot
>> ... highlights are magnitudes brighter
>
>A 'macro-photo shot'???
>'magnitudes brighter'???
>
>
>((O:
>
><sarcasm>
>Oh yeah, that sort of language really backs up your claim of being in
>the biz for years... (grin)
></sarcasm>

This reply of yours most certainly shows the limits of your education and
life-experiences, especially in regards to photography or anything related to
the subject. How's that mommy's-basement bachelor-pad working out for you
lately? LOL

Go look up "magnitude" in reference to light levels. It's a WELL KNOWN unit of
measure. Far beyond any F-stop reference that you've only read about but
obviously have no first-hand knowledge.

LOL
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:26 pm
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On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:17:23 -0800 (PST), mark.thomas.7 RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:

>Yup. I'm just off to do some "portrait-photo" shooting.

translation: pointing his daddy's web-cam at his crotch
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:18 am
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"David J Taylor" <david-taylor.DeleteThis@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
wrote
> Paul Bartram wrote:

>> I use that site mainly for video files, it isn't really designed for
>> images or other small files. At least the HTML interface gives you
>> something to stare at as a 22 Mb movie uploads at 4 Kb/sec!

> Paul, what are you supposed to see there?

The link I get when an upload has finished takes me to a webpage that
provides a 'download file' link. It also tells you how many times the file
has been accessed. The idea is that this is not YouTube or Webshots, it is
not a public depository that can be searched by keyword or author. If you do
not have the link (like the one I gave in my original post) you can't get
the file. In other words, this is a 'half-way house' for files that you only
want a limited audience for. They are deleted after 30 days inactivity.

So, just go back to
http://www.bestsharing.com/files/qJZn1371380/Different%20Angle.JPG.html and
click on 'download file', which will save the picture to your default
folder. I find this service very handy, even though I have to use an
Internet cafe with broadband to upload my video files!

Paul
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:18 am
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Paul Bartram wrote:
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> So, just go back to
> http://www.bestsharing.com/files/qJZn1371380/Different%20Angle.JPG.html
> and click on 'download file', which will save the picture to your
> default folder. I find this service very handy, even though I have to
> use an Internet cafe with broadband to upload my video files!
>
> Paul

Thanks, Paul. I was expecting a simple Web page with a photo.

David
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