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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:26 am
Post subject: Versatile DSLR
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I am sure that this type of question have been raised thousands of
time, but I just want to get some more opinions from the readers.
I am thinking about a DSLR (finally). However, my requirements for a
DSLR may be completely different from others. I do not want to buy a
DSLR for the sake that it has the flexibility for having
interchangeble lenses, but because it has a larger sensor.
Another criteria is economics... i.e. I do not want to spend money for
a professional (read - expensive) type DSLR which costs a lot of
money. If I can afford to spend over $3000, I may as well looking for
a digital back for my M645 or RB67 (any suggestion for a cheap one, if
available?). Top of my budget will be a D80 or 30D range. Is the
entry level DSLR (Is XT/Xti or D40/D40x any good?)
I am open to suggestion on info related to non-popular DSLR. What zoom
lens that comes as standard package with the camera, which will allow
me the most possible range without changing lenses?
I am aware that some readers will immediately comment or ask about the
kind of photos that I am planning to take. All kinds... whatever the
camera is capable. I usually buy the camera first, and utilize its
limits or capability accordingly... without getting sucked into buying
more accessories....ie. once I buy it, I have to live with it, and no
plan for getting another set of lenses, accesories, etc.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:53 am
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aniramca RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> I am sure that this type of question have been raised thousands of
> time, but I just want to get some more opinions from the readers.
> I am thinking about a DSLR (finally). However, my requirements for a
> DSLR may be completely different from others. I do not want to buy a
> DSLR for the sake that it has the flexibility for having
> interchangeble lenses, but because it has a larger sensor.
> Another criteria is economics... i.e. I do not want to spend money for
> a professional (read - expensive) type DSLR which costs a lot of
> money. If I can afford to spend over $3000, I may as well looking for
> a digital back for my M645 or RB67 (any suggestion for a cheap one, if
> available?).
I think you'd need a whole lot more that $3,000 to do medium format digital.
> Top of my budget will be a D80 or 30D range. Is the
> entry level DSLR (Is XT/Xti or D40/D40x any good?)
Yes, they are all good. If you are used to MF manual work though, you
may want better manual control (D200) and a larger, brighter viewfinder
(D80, D200/5D).
> I am open to suggestion on info related to non-popular DSLR. What zoom
> lens that comes as standard package with the camera, which will allow
> me the most possible range without changing lenses?
The 'most range' zoom will not give the best quality or speed for low
light. But the simple answer for what you've requested is a D40 with
18-200 VR (stabilized) zoom. Sigma makes such a thing for Canon I
believe, and if you don't need the long end, 18-135 would probably do
better.
> I am aware that some readers will immediately comment or ask about the
> kind of photos that I am planning to take. All kinds... whatever the
> camera is capable. I usually buy the camera first, and utilize its
> limits or capability accordingly... without getting sucked into buying
> more accessories....ie. once I buy it, I have to live with it, and no
> plan for getting another set of lenses, accesories, etc.
> Thanks for your input.
If you have other cameras, I'd look at a D40 or XT with a Sigma 30mm
f/1.4 fast 'normal' lens for really nice DSLR photos & forget about
zoom. There is a LOT that can be done with a fast normal prime lens,
that's the classic SLR setup.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:54 am
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On Aug 18, 2:26 pm, anira... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> I am sure that this type of question have been raised thousands of
> time, but I just want to get some more opinions from the readers.
> I am thinking about a DSLR (finally). However, my requirements for a
> DSLR may be completely different from others. I do not want to buy a
> DSLR for the sake that it has the flexibility for having
> interchangeble lenses, but because it has a larger sensor.
> Another criteria is economics... i.e. I do not want to spend money for
> a professional (read - expensive) type DSLR which costs a lot of
> money. If I can afford to spend over $3000, I may as well looking for
> a digital back for my M645 or RB67 (any suggestion for a cheap one, if
> available?). Top of my budget will be a D80 or 30D range. Is the
> entry level DSLR (Is XT/Xti or D40/D40x any good?)
> I am open to suggestion on info related to non-popular DSLR. What zoom
> lens that comes as standard package with the camera, which will allow
> me the most possible range without changing lenses?
> I am aware that some readers will immediately comment or ask about the
> kind of photos that I am planning to take. All kinds... whatever the
> camera is capable. I usually buy the camera first, and utilize its
> limits or capability accordingly... without getting sucked into buying
> more accessories....ie. once I buy it, I have to live with it, and no
> plan for getting another set of lenses, accesories, etc.
> Thanks for your input.
Go buy a Nikon D80 and their 18-200mm lens. It's all you should ever
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:06 pm
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The reason we ask what kind of shooting you plan to do is because the
lens selection will vary widely depending on that. If you're big into
landscapes, you probably want wider lenses; if you're shooting animals
in the wild, you probably need longer lenses; if it's for a lot of
fast-action sports, you'll likely want to put the emphasis on faster
lenses rather than longer (ideally both). That's the thing with SLRs,
is that the range of what's available is so wide and varied.
You can always just go with a long-range zoom, but that's a compromise
between versatility, quality, size, weight, and cost.
aniramca.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> I am sure that this type of question have been raised thousands of
> time, but I just want to get some more opinions from the readers.
> I am thinking about a DSLR (finally). However, my requirements for a
> DSLR may be completely different from others. I do not want to buy a
> DSLR for the sake that it has the flexibility for having
> interchangeble lenses, but because it has a larger sensor.
> Another criteria is economics... i.e. I do not want to spend money for
> a professional (read - expensive) type DSLR which costs a lot of
> money. If I can afford to spend over $3000, I may as well looking for
> a digital back for my M645 or RB67 (any suggestion for a cheap one, if
> available?). Top of my budget will be a D80 or 30D range. Is the
> entry level DSLR (Is XT/Xti or D40/D40x any good?)
> I am open to suggestion on info related to non-popular DSLR. What zoom
> lens that comes as standard package with the camera, which will allow
> me the most possible range without changing lenses?
> I am aware that some readers will immediately comment or ask about the
> kind of photos that I am planning to take. All kinds... whatever the
> camera is capable. I usually buy the camera first, and utilize its
> limits or capability accordingly... without getting sucked into buying
> more accessories....ie. once I buy it, I have to live with it, and no
> plan for getting another set of lenses, accesories, etc.
> Thanks for your input.
> >> Stay informed about: Versatile DSLR |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:44 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:44 pm
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CoffeeTalk wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:40 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106 DeleteThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> That's the thing with SLRs,
>> is that the range of what's available is so wide and varied.
>
> And a pity that there's not one lens that fits all needs. In turn
> it's a praise for P&S cameras where their long-zoom lenses with
> fairly wide apertures are at least approaching what an advanced
> photographer needs for almost every shot.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:04 pm
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<aniramca.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Another criteria is economics... i.e. I do not want to spend money for
> a professional (read - expensive) type DSLR which costs a lot of money.
> If I can afford to spend over $3000, I may as well looking for a digital
> back for my M645 or RB67 (any suggestion for a cheap one, if
> available?).
A MF Digital Back would cost around $25000 to $30000 and another $3000,
would get you 3 years extended warranty on it.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 10:10 pm
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On Aug 18, 10:22 pm, Rebecca Ore <macogoe... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <afHxi.317$YQ....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> Paul Furman <pa... RemoveThis @-edgehill.net> wrote:
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> > I think you'd need a whole lot more that $3,000 to do medium format digital.
>
> I've seen some used backs for about that on eBay.
Really? Are you sure that it is a digital back, not the regular back
for the camera? I thought the cost of a digital back is closer to the
one suggested by Roy G. If I have to pay that much, I may as well get
a D1X or 1D
I don't even know if there is a digital back made specifically for
M645 or RB67. The newer RZ67 is probably better fitted for such
transformation into a digital camera. What a pity! >> Stay informed about: Versatile DSLR |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:03 am
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007, RichA wrote:
R> On Aug 18, 2:26 pm, anira... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
R> > DSLR may be completely different from others. I do not want to buy a
R> > DSLR for the sake that it has the flexibility for having
R> > interchangeble lenses, but because it has a larger sensor.
R>
R> Go buy a Nikon D80 and their 18-200mm lens. It's all you should ever
R> need.
R>
I thought about this combination to replace my Nikon 8800 which I bought
because of its relatively large, but still smallish, sensor.
What I miss is a manual focus ring on the lens and a
bar/fresnel/ground glass focusing screen in the viewfinder. Does the
D80/18-200 combination have anything like that?
--
Alan
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However, unless this a very old message, a "tuna" will swim right
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:22 am
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In article <afHxi.317$YQ.220@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
Paul Furman <paul-.DeleteThis@-edgehill.net> wrote:
> I think you'd need a whole lot more that $3,000 to do medium format digital.
I've seen some used backs for about that on eBay. >> Stay informed about: Versatile DSLR |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 6:02 am
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In article <1187500247.970350.282250.DeleteThis@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
aniramca.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 18, 10:22 pm, Rebecca Ore <macogoe....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <afHxi.317$YQ....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> > Paul Furman <pa....DeleteThis@-edgehill.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I think you'd need a whole lot more that $3,000 to do medium format
> > > digital.
> >
> > I've seen some used backs for about that on eBay.
>
> Really? Are you sure that it is a digital back, not the regular back
> for the camera? I thought the cost of a digital back is closer to the
> one suggested by Roy G.
This was in a discussion a couple of weeks ago elsewhere and I don't
have the links available easily (eBay). I have a Hassy and used film
backs for it are no where near $300 these days, much less $3,000. I'd
suggest you use the eBay search function. The backs would be older and
probably 16 MP or less.
> If I have to pay that much, I may as well get
> a D1X or 1D
> I don't even know if there is a digital back made specifically for
> M645 or RB67. The newer RZ67 is probably better fitted for such
> transformation into a digital camera. What a pity!
I don't know about that but I think a lot of backs can be used on even
older Hasselblad bodies. They may be tethered, though. >> Stay informed about: Versatile DSLR |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:07 am
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"CoffeeTalk" <dankentask.RemoveThis@antispam.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:40 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>That's the thing with SLRs,
>>is that the range of what's available is so wide and varied.
>
> And a pity that there's not one lens that fits all needs. In turn it's a
> praise
> for P&S cameras where their long-zoom lenses with fairly wide apertures
> are at
> least approaching what an advanced photographer needs for almost every
> shot.
As long as soft images with lots of chromatic aberations is the effect that
the advanced photographer is seeking.
Add to the equation that the only reason those lenses can be made so small
and light yet still have a moderately fast aperture, is because of the small
sensor. Small sensor=more noise, so again image quality suffers.
Everything in photography is a compromise - a camera+lens with a wide range
of zoom can have at most two of the following attributes:
high image quality
fast maximum aperture
small & light weight
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:33 am
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On Aug 19, 11:53 am, "Tim" <no s....TakeThisOut@thanks.com> wrote:
> > <anira....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1187461581.720102.191200@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
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> >> Another criteria is economics... i.e. I do not want to spend money
> >> for a professional (read - expensive) type DSLR which costs a lot of
> >> money. If I can afford to spend over $3000, I may as well looking
> >> for a digital back for my M645 or RB67 (any suggestion for a cheap
> >> one, if available?).
>
> > A MF Digital Back would cost around $25000 to $30000 and another $3000,
> > would get you 3 years extended warranty on it.
>
> > Roy G
>
> Hi
> Don't know if this will be of any interest to you -http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/find/newsLetter/Digital-Cameras-Newslet...
> Your still looking at $7000 but I thought the last bit might be useful info
> "If you currently own a Mamiya 645AF, Mamiya will upgrade your camera to
> accept the ZD back at no additional cost when you purchase a ZD digital
> back."
> HTH
>
> Tim
> --http://www.timdenning.myby.co.uk/
Thanks for your info Tim? What camera that you used on the photos in
your website?
About the camera back... it is still expensive to update my M645/RB67
to become digital cameras. The costs that you mentioned can buy top of
the line professional SLR!.
It is also likely that my cameras are too old for updating into
digital ones. You indicated a Mamiya 645AF. I think it is a fairly new
Mamiya (c. 1999). Mine was a c.1980 camera (M645 1000s). I think this
is getting out of my original topic, and perhaps I should switch to
the rec.photo.equipment.medium-format usergroup.
It looks like that I could not go into the digital age with old
equipments, and it is a shame just by looking at the lens for my
Mamiya. They are big and of excellent qualities. >> Stay informed about: Versatile DSLR |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 1:02 pm
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Alan Clifford wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007, RichA wrote:
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> R> On Aug 18, 2:26 pm, anira....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> R> > DSLR may be completely different from others. I do not want to buy a
> R> > DSLR for the sake that it has the flexibility for having
> R> > interchangeble lenses, but because it has a larger sensor.
> R>
> R> Go buy a Nikon D80 and their 18-200mm lens. It's all you should ever
> R> need.
>
> I thought about this combination to replace my Nikon 8800 which I bought
> because of its relatively large, but still smallish, sensor.
>
> What I miss is a manual focus ring on the lens and a
> bar/fresnel/ground glass focusing screen in the viewfinder. Does the
> D80/18-200 combination have anything like that?
No DSLR has a focusing aid that I know of (3rd party screens excepted)
but the D80 has a uniquely large, bright viewfinder.
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Paul Furman Photography
http://edgehill.net
Bay Natives Nursery
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