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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:07 pm
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Ten reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot

1. You shoot in low light.

Modern digital SLRs are able to produce low noise images at ISO speeds
up to 1600, depending on the camera. Point and shoot cameras, with their
small sensors, begin to exhibit noise at ISO 200, with some poorer
models being too noisy even at 100 ISO.

2. You want to use flash attachments.

While a few higher end point and shoot digital models have hot shoes for
an external flash, most do not. Some Canon P&S models without hot shoes
can use a wireless flash, but it's not a great flash unit.

3. You need a wide-angle lens.

Digital SLRs have super-wide-angle zoom lenses available with an
effective focal length of as little as 16mm. There are no point and
shoot digital cameras with lenses that wide.

4. You need a long telephoto lens.

Whether it's doing wildlife photography in Alaska, or shooting at
sporting events, only a digital SLR can use long telephoto lenses. If
you only need a specialty lens for rare occasions, you can even rent one
for a couple of days.

5. You need fast auto-focus.

Most digital SLRs (with the exception of Pentax) use lenses with
internal high-speed focusing motors). Point and shoot digital cameras
cannot focus nearly as fast.

6. You need low shutter lag.

Whether it's photographing your child on a merry-go-round, or capturing
the crack of the bat against the baseball, you cannot obtain these shots
with a digital point and shoot camera because the time between when you
press the shutter and the image is captured is far too long.

7. You want to produce images that can be printed in large sizes.

Only a high-resolution digital SLR is suitable for poster size prints.

8. You want an optical viewfinder.

While a few point and shoot cameras have retained an optical viewfinder,
it's been cost-reduced out of most models. Composing a picture on the
LCD screen, in bright sunlight, is very difficult.

9. You want full manual control.

While some high-end point and shoot models have retained some level of
manual control, most have cost-reduced it out. On some Canon models,
there is third-party software that can get some of the manual control back.

10. Expandability and upgradability.

Not only a wide variety of specialty lenses, but flash attachments,
filters, vertical grips, remote shutter releases, etc. If you eventually
want to upgrade to a better D-SLR body, a lot of the lenses and
accessories can be used on the new body if it's from the same manufacturer.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:44 pm
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In article <473e141a$0$79880$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS Ģ
§ <scharf.steven RemoveThis @geemail.com> wrote:

> 2. You want to use flash attachments.
>
> While a few higher end point and shoot digital models have hot shoes for
> an external flash, most do not. Some Canon P&S models without hot shoes
> can use a wireless flash, but it's not a great flash unit.

if there is no hotshoe or flash sync socket, then as little as $10 will
buy a flash slave (and some of the slaves handle pre-flashes).

> 3. You need a wide-angle lens.
>
> Digital SLRs have super-wide-angle zoom lenses available with an
> effective focal length of as little as 16mm. There are no point and
> shoot digital cameras with lenses that wide.

there are wide angle attachments and nikon even makes a fisheye
attachment for the coolpix cameras.

<http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/accessory/converter/fc-e9/index.
htm>

> 4. You need a long telephoto lens.
>
> Whether it’s doing wildlife photography in Alaska, or shooting at
> sporting events, only a digital SLR can use long telephoto lenses. If
> you only need a specialty lens for rare occasions, you can even rent one
> for a couple of days.

there are telephoto attachments and some cameras have fairly long range
zooms without any adapter.

> 5. You need fast auto-focus.
>
> Most digital SLRs (with the exception of Pentax) use lenses with
> internal high-speed focusing motors). Point and shoot digital cameras
> cannot focus nearly as fast.

pentax is not anywhere near as slow as you make it out to be, nor is
screw coupling in general.

> 6. You need low shutter lag.
>
> Whether it’s photographing your child on a merry-go-round, or capturing
> the crack of the bat against the baseball, you cannot obtain these shots
> with a digital point and shoot camera because the time between when you
> press the shutter and the image is captured is far too long.

shutter lag can be minimized with careful pre-focus/preset exposure.
however, that is not ideal in all situations.

> 7. You want to produce images that can be printed in large sizes.

you mean like the billboard in times square from a 3 megapixel coolpix
990? so much for not being able to make large prints.

> Only a high-resolution digital SLR is suitable for poster size prints.

it depends on viewing distance, among other things.

> 8. You want an optical viewfinder.
>
> While a few point and shoot cameras have retained an optical viewfinder,
> it’s been cost-reduced out of most models. Composing a picture on the
> LCD screen, in bright sunlight, is very difficult.

not always. and if it is a problem, there are lcd shades that are
quite cheap (plus just using a hand to shadow it works).

> 9. You want full manual control.
>
> While some high-end point and shoot models have retained some level of
> manual control, most have cost-reduced it out. On some Canon models,
> there is third-party software that can get some of the manual control back.

a lot of p&s cameras have manual control.

> 10. Expandability and upgradability.
>
> Not only a wide variety of specialty lenses, but flash attachments,
> filters, vertical grips, remote shutter releases, etc. If you eventually
> want to upgrade to a better D-SLR body, a lot of the lenses and
> accessories can be used on the new body if it’s from the same manufacturer.

what is it with you and vertical grips? someone who buys a p&s camera
is NOT interested in bloating it up with a vertical grip. that
basically defeats the size advantage of a p&s. nevertheless, if you
insist on a vertical grip, nikon (and maybe others) have one for some
of their models, such as the 8700.

<http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonCP8700/Images/Accessories/mb-e57
00.jpg>

also, many p&s cameras have filter threads and they can be controlled
by the usb port (or serial port for the older models). nikon even made
a filter kit, remote control with intervalometer and a ring flash for
the coolpix cameras:

<http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonCP8700/page4.asp>
<http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/nikon4500/4500_sl-1.jpg>

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:37 pm
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On Nov 17, 2:15 am, "newshound" <newsho....RemoveThis@fairadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> It's horses for courses. A pro sports photographer is going to use a DSLR. I
> carry a P&S almost everywhere; it's hard to be inconspicuous using a DSLR.

Another approach to becoming inconspicuous, at least in a smallish
town, is the following: carry a large camera, preferably with lenses,
all the time; randomly stop and take photographs, making sure to be
highly visible while doing so. Eventually, more and more people will
just say "oh, it's that weirdo with the camera again" when they spot
you, and then just ignore you.

Works for me Smile
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:14 pm
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In article
<da415ed2-eeef-4085-ad51-2f75944e7d3b RemoveThis @b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<dumbtroll RemoveThis @live.com> wrote:

> I have NEVER taken a photo with my
> Powershot G3 by looking throug the optical
> viewfinder. Every pic was taken looking
> at the LCD viewer. It gives you a MUCH better
> idea of what you will actually capture.

Loser!

> I decided on the Canon 40D instead of
> the Canon 400D, in large part because the more
> expensive 40D has the "Live View" feature!

Loser again!
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:03 pm
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:07:03 -0800, SMS ??? ?
<scharf.steven DeleteThis @geemail.com> wrote:

>Ten reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot

[...]

Plus:

11. It fits in your pocket

Oops... perhaps that should be added to the "Ten reasons to
choose a Point and Shoot over a Digital SLR" thread that
hasn't yet appeared.

What a pointless load of nonsense.


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:03 pm
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SMS-san

You forgot to mention the availability of big aperture, sharp, prime lenses.
Also, some DSLR lenses go less than 16mm, although I assume you mean 35mm
equivalent focal length.

I would like to know why all DSLR's don't have 100% optical viewfinders. I
would also like to know why camera manufacturers don't have aperture
bracketing (for DOF), which is nothing more than firmware? Camera
manufactures have used exposure bracketing for a long time, but for some
strange reason don't want to provide aperture bracketing.



"SMS 斯蒂文• 夏" <scharf.steven.TakeThisOut@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Ten reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot
>
> 1. You shoot in low light.
>
> Modern digital SLRs are able to produce low noise images at ISO speeds up
> to 1600, depending on the camera. Point and shoot cameras, with their
> small sensors, begin to exhibit noise at ISO 200, with some poorer models
> being too noisy even at 100 ISO.
>
> 2. You want to use flash attachments.
>
> While a few higher end point and shoot digital models have hot shoes for
> an external flash, most do not. Some Canon P&S models without hot shoes
> can use a wireless flash, but it's not a great flash unit.
>
> 3. You need a wide-angle lens.
>
> Digital SLRs have super-wide-angle zoom lenses available with an effective
> focal length of as little as 16mm. There are no point and shoot digital
> cameras with lenses that wide.
>
> 4. You need a long telephoto lens.
>
> Whether it’s doing wildlife photography in Alaska, or shooting at sporting
> events, only a digital SLR can use long telephoto lenses. If you only need
> a specialty lens for rare occasions, you can even rent one for a couple of
> days.
>
> 5. You need fast auto-focus.
>
> Most digital SLRs (with the exception of Pentax) use lenses with internal
> high-speed focusing motors). Point and shoot digital cameras cannot focus
> nearly as fast.
>
> 6. You need low shutter lag.
>
> Whether it’s photographing your child on a merry-go-round, or capturing
> the crack of the bat against the baseball, you cannot obtain these shots
> with a digital point and shoot camera because the time between when you
> press the shutter and the image is captured is far too long.
>
> 7. You want to produce images that can be printed in large sizes.
>
> Only a high-resolution digital SLR is suitable for poster size prints.
>
> 8. You want an optical viewfinder.
>
> While a few point and shoot cameras have retained an optical viewfinder,
> it’s been cost-reduced out of most models. Composing a picture on the LCD
> screen, in bright sunlight, is very difficult.
>
> 9. You want full manual control.
>
> While some high-end point and shoot models have retained some level of
> manual control, most have cost-reduced it out. On some Canon models, there
> is third-party software that can get some of the manual control back.
>
> 10. Expandability and upgradability.
>
> Not only a wide variety of specialty lenses, but flash attachments,
> filters, vertical grips, remote shutter releases, etc. If you eventually
> want to upgrade to a better D-SLR body, a lot of the lenses and
> accessories can be used on the new body if it’s from the same
> manufacturer.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:03 pm
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Ali wrote:
> SMS-san
>
> You forgot to mention the availability of big aperture, sharp, prime
> lenses.

Okay, that's number 11.

> Also, some DSLR lenses go less than 16mm, although I assume you
> mean 35mm equivalent focal length.

Yes, I was correcting for the crop factor. Even so, you can go less than
16mm, even correcting for the crop factor, with the fish eye lenses that
go done to 8mm (uncorrected for crop factor).

> I would like to know why all DSLR's don't have 100% optical
> viewfinders. I would also like to know why camera manufacturers don't
> have aperture bracketing (for DOF), which is nothing more than
> firmware? Camera manufactures have used exposure bracketing for a long
> time, but for some strange reason don't want to provide aperture
> bracketing.

That's a good question. It would be easy to implement. Maybe they figure
not enough users are interested. Firmware isn't free, there's a
development cost. Still it would be a marketing bullet to be able to
boast about it.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:44 pm
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You forget one of the biggest reasons.

You can impress everyone. This seems to be the thinking of many, not
all. How often have you had a discussion about digital photography
with a DSLR owner only to find out he doesn't really even know how
to take advantage of it's attributes. A point and shoot would be just
as useful in his hands........ Sure is impressive though.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:55 pm
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It's horses for courses. A pro sports photographer is going to use a DSLR. I
carry a P&S almost everywhere; it's hard to be inconspicuous using a DSLR.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:55 pm
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Yes, of course.

Just out of interest, what are you photographing for the need to be
inconspicuous?


"newshound" <newshound DeleteThis @fairadsl.co.uk> wrote in message
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> It's horses for courses. A pro sports photographer is going to use a DSLR.
> I carry a P&S almost everywhere; it's hard to be inconspicuous using a
> DSLR.
>
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:55 pm
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newshound wrote:
> It's horses for courses. A pro sports photographer is going to use a DSLR. I
> carry a P&S almost everywhere; it's hard to be inconspicuous using a DSLR.

Sometimes you _want_ to be conspicuous.

Two years ago I was really getting upset over how people were driving
near my son's school. I started carrying my D-SLR with me, and taking
photos of them driving through crosswalks without stopping, etc. It got
to the point where just raising the camera to my face and aiming it at
their car would get them to behave, whereas using a small P&S or a
camera phone would have no effect. I got yelled at by some of them that
were upset about being photographed. I had tried using a P&S, but I
needed very low shutter lag. See "http://nordicgroup.us/dtshos/" Before
the dummy corp goes non-linear, note that I was using a long zoom for
many of these shots, and I reduced the resolution for the web site so
they will load faster.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:55 pm
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May I suggest you stick with it?

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:55 pm
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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:44:08 -0800, SMS ??? ? <scharf.steven.RemoveThis@geemail.com>
wrote:

>Ali wrote:
>> SMS-san
>>
>> You forgot to mention the availability of big aperture, sharp, prime
>> lenses.
>
>Okay, that's number 11.
>
>> Also, some DSLR lenses go less than 16mm, although I assume you
>> mean 35mm equivalent focal length.
>
>Yes, I was correcting for the crop factor. Even so, you can go less than
>16mm, even correcting for the crop factor, with the fish eye lenses that
>go done to 8mm (uncorrected for crop factor).
>
>> I would like to know why all DSLR's don't have 100% optical
>> viewfinders. I would also like to know why camera manufacturers don't
>> have aperture bracketing (for DOF), which is nothing more than
>> firmware? Camera manufactures have used exposure bracketing for a long
>> time, but for some strange reason don't want to provide aperture
>> bracketing.
>
>That's a good question. It would be easy to implement. Maybe they figure
>not enough users are interested. Firmware isn't free, there's a
>development cost. Still it would be a marketing bullet to be able to
>boast about it.

You're right, firmware upgrading isn't free, but it should be. However software
to correct all the limitations with original firmware is most definitely free.

http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK

What a shame that you can't run that on your dSLRs. You could have your DOF,
Aperture, Shutter Speed, EV, and even ISO bracketing if you so desired. To as
many stops and frames as you needed for any subject. You could have all that
capability in the next minute for FREE, if you weren't waiting to depend on a
dSLR to do that for you.

Enjoy your dSLR dedication. Smile
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:54 am
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In article <g%o%i.14488$7k5.8390@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>, Ali
<me DeleteThis @privacy.net> writes
>
>"SMS ???• ?" <scharf.steven DeleteThis @geemail.com> wrote in message
>news:473e141a$0$79880$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> Ten reasons to choose a Digital SLR over a Point and Shoot
>>
>> 1. You shoot in low light.
>>
>> Modern digital SLRs are able to produce low noise images at ISO
>>speeds up to 1600, depending on the camera. Point and shoot cameras,
>>with their small sensors, begin to exhibit noise at ISO 200, with
>>some poorer models being too noisy even at 100 ISO.
>>
>> 2. You want to use flash attachments.
>>
>> While a few higher end point and shoot digital models have hot shoes
>>for an external flash, most do not. Some Canon P&S models without hot
>>shoes can use a wireless flash, but it's not a great flash unit.
>>
>> 3. You need a wide-angle lens.
>>
>> Digital SLRs have super-wide-angle zoom lenses available with an
>>effective focal length of as little as 16mm. There are no point and
>>shoot digital cameras with lenses that wide.
>>
>> 4. You need a long telephoto lens.
>>
>> Whether it's doing wildlife photography in Alaska, or shooting at
>>sporting events, only a digital SLR can use long telephoto lenses. If
>>you only need a specialty lens for rare occasions, you can even rent
>>one for a couple of days.
>>
>> 5. You need fast auto-focus.
>>
>> Most digital SLRs (with the exception of Pentax) use lenses with
>>internal high-speed focusing motors). Point and shoot digital cameras
>>cannot focus nearly as fast.
>>
>> 6. You need low shutter lag.
>>
>> Whether it's photographing your child on a merry-go-round, or
>>capturing the crack of the bat against the baseball, you cannot
>>obtain these shots with a digital point and shoot camera because the
>>time between when you press the shutter and the image is captured is
>>far too long.
>>
>> 7. You want to produce images that can be printed in large sizes.
>>
>> Only a high-resolution digital SLR is suitable for poster size prints.
>>
>> 8. You want an optical viewfinder.
>>
>> While a few point and shoot cameras have retained an optical
>>viewfinder, it's been cost-reduced out of most models. Composing a
>>picture on the LCD screen, in bright sunlight, is very difficult.
>>
>> 9. You want full manual control.
>>
>> While some high-end point and shoot models have retained some level
>>of manual control, most have cost-reduced it out. On some Canon
>>models, there is third-party software that can get some of the manual
>>control back.
>>
>> 10. Expandability and upgradability.
>>
>> Not only a wide variety of specialty lenses, but flash attachments,
>>filters, vertical grips, remote shutter releases, etc. If you
>>eventually want to upgrade to a better D-SLR body, a lot of the
>>lenses and accessories can be used on the new body if it's from the
>>same manufacturer.
>
>You forgot to mention the availability of big aperture, sharp, prime
>lenses. Also, some DSLR lenses go less than 16mm, although I assume you
>mean 35mm equivalent focal length.
>
>I would like to know why all DSLR's don't have 100% optical
>viewfinders.

The ones without are not reflex.

>I would also like to know why camera manufacturers don't have aperture
>bracketing (for DOF), which is nothing more than firmware?

The nearest I have seen to this is Canon's A-DEP mode which selects an
aperture to give the beet DoF for the scene.

>Camera manufactures have used exposure bracketing for a long time, but
>for some strange reason don't want to provide aperture bracketing.

I am not quite sure of the advantage, if the object is to throw the
uninteresting parts out of focus you will need to change the focus
distance as well so that you can select the best effect.


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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:54 am
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In article <3oisj3pdhvhul0qpd04ku4ju0kp86c6se5 DeleteThis @4ax.com>, HaroldSpencer
<hspencer DeleteThis @spamblock.net> writes
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:44:08 -0800, SMS ???• ? <scharf.steven DeleteThis @geemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Ali wrote:
>>> SMS-san
>>>
>>> You forgot to mention the availability of big aperture, sharp, prime
>>> lenses.
>>
>>Okay, that's number 11.
>>
>>> Also, some DSLR lenses go less than 16mm, although I assume you
>>> mean 35mm equivalent focal length.
>>
>>Yes, I was correcting for the crop factor. Even so, you can go less than
>>16mm, even correcting for the crop factor, with the fish eye lenses that
>>go done to 8mm (uncorrected for crop factor).
>>
>>> I would like to know why all DSLR's don't have 100% optical
>>> viewfinders. I would also like to know why camera manufacturers don't
>>> have aperture bracketing (for DOF), which is nothing more than
>>> firmware? Camera manufactures have used exposure bracketing for a long
>>> time, but for some strange reason don't want to provide aperture
>>> bracketing.
>>
>>That's a good question. It would be easy to implement. Maybe they figure
>>not enough users are interested. Firmware isn't free, there's a
>>development cost. Still it would be a marketing bullet to be able to
>>boast about it.
>
>You're right, firmware upgrading isn't free, but it should be.

Are you going to work for free? Software doesn't write its self. The
camera manufactures recoup the cost by sealing the hardware.

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