Sony's newest useless gimmick...

On Oct 5, 4:22 pm, "Steven" <nos... RemoveThis @privacy.net> wrote:
> "Toby" <kyma... RemoveThis @hol.com> wrote in message
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> news:4705ea79$0$98883$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
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> > Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
> > Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>
> > "No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
> > 'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
> > breaks a smile."
>
> > Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
> > on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...
>
> I bet it wouldn't work on the joker from batman!!
>
> I'll get my coat.................

I have a background in artificial intelligence, though not image
detection.

If you can have face detection, then I think smile detection wouldn't
be too difficult. For a "toothy smile", detection of greater or lesser
amounts of teeth exposure would do. Otherwise face detection would
normally involve identification of the mouth, and extending that to a
smile shape sounds feasible.

I'd wildly speculate that such a system would work best on standard
faces and expressions. And that it might be fun working out what kinds
of grimaces can fool the system and posting the results on the net.

I couldn't possibly comment on how useful it is.
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robotiser.DeleteThis@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Oct 5, 4:22 pm, "Steven" <nos....DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote:
>> "Toby" <kyma....DeleteThis@hol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4705ea79$0$98883$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
>>
>>> Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
>>> Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>>> "No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
>>> 'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
>>> breaks a smile."
>>> Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
>>> on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...
>> I bet it wouldn't work on the joker from batman!!
>>
>> I'll get my coat.................
>
> I have a background in artificial intelligence, though not image
> detection.
>
> If you can have face detection, then I think smile detection wouldn't
> be too difficult. For a "toothy smile", detection of greater or lesser
> amounts of teeth exposure would do. Otherwise face detection would
> normally involve identification of the mouth, and extending that to a
> smile shape sounds feasible.
>
> I'd wildly speculate that such a system would work best on standard
> faces and expressions. And that it might be fun working out what kinds
> of grimaces can fool the system and posting the results on the net.
>
> I couldn't possibly comment on how useful it is.
>

If it can tell the difference between a smile and a grimace it can do
better than a lot of human brains
Bob
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Not to wonder how it covers a group of people in the image, since face
detection now seems to cover up to 10 individuals... and then there is
the question of ethnicity... How does it work with a group of Black
faces, or Inuit faces in northern Canada? It may work well with
Japanese faces and fail dismally with other faces.

FWIW

RsH



On 5 Oct 2007 02:42:02 -0500, "Toby" <kymarto RemoveThis @hol.com> wrote:

>Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
>Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>
>"No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
>'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
>breaks a smile."
>
>Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
>on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...
>
>Toby
>
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On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 12:03:05 -0700, Bob Williams
<mytbobnospam.RemoveThis@cox.net> wrote:

>robotiser@googlemail.com wrote:
>> On Oct 5, 4:22 pm, "Steven" <nos....RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> "Toby" <kyma....RemoveThis@hol.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:4705ea79$0$98883$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
>>>
>>>> Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
>>>> Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>>>> "No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
>>>> 'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
>>>> breaks a smile."
>>>> Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
>>>> on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...
>>> I bet it wouldn't work on the joker from batman!!
>>>
>>> I'll get my coat.................
>>
>> I have a background in artificial intelligence, though not image
>> detection.
>>
>> If you can have face detection, then I think smile detection wouldn't
>> be too difficult. For a "toothy smile", detection of greater or lesser
>> amounts of teeth exposure would do. Otherwise face detection would
>> normally involve identification of the mouth, and extending that to a
>> smile shape sounds feasible.
>>
>> I'd wildly speculate that such a system would work best on standard
>> faces and expressions. And that it might be fun working out what kinds
>> of grimaces can fool the system and posting the results on the net.
>>
>> I couldn't possibly comment on how useful it is.
>>
>
>If it can tell the difference between a smile and a grimace it can do
>better than a lot of human brains
>Bob

Set my camera in the permanent snarl (f*** you Dick Cheney)mode.
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Toby wrote:
> Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
> Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>
> "No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
> 'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
> breaks a smile."
>
> Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
> on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...
>
> Toby
>
>

Depends if it works as advertised, red eye reduction doesn't seem to,
this may or may not. But why the sarcastic comment, it probably won't do
any harm and if you really don't like it, don't buy it. I never use
movie mode, if they sold the same camera a little cheaper without it I
would buy it. They don't and that's ok too.
Dave Cohen
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"Toby" <kymarto.TakeThisOut@hol.com> wrote in message
news:4705ea79$0$98883$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com...
> Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
> Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>
> "No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
> 'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
> breaks a smile."
>
> Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
> on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...

I bet it wouldn't work on the joker from batman!!

I'll get my coat.................
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On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:14:38 -0400, Rita Ä Berkowitz <ritaberk2O04 @aol.com>
wrote:

>Don't knock them. At least they have Live View to pacify the clueless.
>

People with "live view" will see what happens as they increase or decrease the
shutter speed before they even take their photo, leaving most every dslr owner
still clueless as to what their photo is really going to look like.

Clueless -- that be you.
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In article <5t0eg3555jhce06orntq3rdqvkqbrjfqtl.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, striker_lanks
<nobody.DeleteThis@noaddress.org> wrote:

> People with "live view" will see what happens as they increase or decrease the
> shutter speed before they even take their photo, leaving most every dslr owner
> still clueless as to what their photo is really going to look like.

You're right. Why should people be expected to know the relationship
between shutter speeds and f/stops? Have fun with your little TV set
viewfinders.
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In article <4705ea79$0$98883$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>,
"Toby" <kymarto DeleteThis @hol.com> wrote:

> Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
> Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>
> "No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
> 'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
> breaks a smile."
>
> Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
> on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...

I just bought one of those cameras two days ago. I haven't even had time
to download the photos I shot with it to my computer. Photos I saw from
a friend's DSC-T200 are impressive though.
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+ interesting to me, in that also this week I have seen news
of a [japanese] AI photo system which detects if a smile is genuine or
not !


On Oct 5, 3:42 am, "Toby" <kyma....RemoveThis@hol.com> wrote:
> Just reading today's Japan Times and noticed an ad for a new Sony P&S
> Cyber-shot (DSC-T200). I quote:
>
> "No more frozen grins. Our new 'Cyber-shot' not only recognizes faces, its
> 'Smile Shutter' can be set to trip automatically the instant your subject
> breaks a smile."
>
> Nikon and Canon better get on the ball: there's a must-have you won't find
> on the 1DSMkIII or the D3...
>
> Toby
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