Sigma DP1 picture flaws?

In article <fodta8$kvr$1@aioe.org>, Yvan Descartes
<yvan.descartes RemoveThis @rip.ccc> wrote:

> > Look at this photo from a Sigma DP1 beta:
> >
> > http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/
> >
> > and look at picture sdim0085.jpg ( second to last ). Get the jpg file
> > and look at the picture full scale and look at the bright pink shoe
> > sign. It looks like to me the pink of the shoe sign has bled to the
> > left and right of the sign.
>
> I see that too.
>
> Maybe its a beta firmware, no ? (I did not read the preview even if its an
> interesting camera).

it's an 'early dp1' with firmware 0.39.0.000.

> Here is the crop for the lazy ones: http://cjoint.com/?chengZGHDT
>
> Save the jpg and zoom at 200% in what ever you use to see the bled.

yep, not too surprising. there's a nice big yellow blotch to the left
of the "what's on" sign at the bottom too. there's also a fair amount
of aliasing on the building. either that or it has some very unusual
architecture.

> Probably only a jpg engine problem easily fixed with a new firmware I guess.

according to the exif info, phil used sigma's latest raw converter on
those images. unlike some of the other images, phil didn't crank the
sharpening up too high on that one.

other images have the usual blotching (which surprisingly, is even
visible in sigma's dp1 brochure). for instance, on the wall photo,
particularly in the corners:
<http://dpreview-img.fotki.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/sdim0059.jpg>

full size:
<http://dpreview-img.fotki.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/originals/sdim00
59.jpg>
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:18:26 -0500, "Yvan Descartes"
<yvan.descartes.DeleteThis@rip.ccc> wrote in <fodta8$kvr$1@aioe.org>:

>
>"jdear64" <jdear64.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de
>news:32e35c0f-4155-486b-ae7c-eb4468107cd7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Look at this photo from a Sigma DP1 beta:
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/
>>
>> and look at picture sdim0085.jpg ( second to last ). Get the jpg file
>> and look at the picture full scale and look at the bright pink shoe
>> sign. It looks like to me the pink of the shoe sign has bled to the
>> left and right of the sign.
>
>I see that too.
>
>Maybe its a beta firmware, no ? (I did not read the preview even if its an
>interesting camera).
>
>Here is the crop for the lazy ones: http://cjoint.com/?chengZGHDT
>
>Save the jpg and zoom at 200% in what ever you use to see the bled.
>
>Probably only a jpg engine problem easily fixed with a new firmware I guess.

More likely sensor bleed, not terribly surprising.

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Best regards,
John Navas
Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

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John Navas
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> More likely sensor bleed, not terribly surprising.

With giant pixels they have, how would it be possible?

Puzzled,
Ilya
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

Yes.
It's clearly visible.
I'm sure they'll fix it.
This brings me to another question. What software do you use as your default
picture viewer - Win XP?
I use Windows Picture and Fax viewer because it launches fast.
However I find it annoying that I can't see at what zoom I'm viewing at any
given time, among other things I'd like to see.
For that I open up images such as the one you're talking about in PS2.
Can you recommend another software I could use as default - where I can
always see the zoom and launches fast?
How about ACDsee?

Thanks




"jdear64" <jdear64 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Look at this photo from a Sigma DP1 beta:
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/
>
> and look at picture sdim0085.jpg ( second to last ). Get the jpg file
> and look at the picture full scale and look at the bright pink shoe
> sign. It looks like to me the pink of the shoe sign has bled to the
> left and right of the sign. Just like it was a water base print that
> got wet. The same thing can be seen on the yellow sign "What's On" at
> the bottom of the picture. Has this been seen before? Does the SD14
> suffer from the same thing?
>
>
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:49:38 GMT, "Jay" <smtp.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in
<C5wqj.9508$Ej5.8747@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>:

>Yes.
>It's clearly visible.
>I'm sure they'll fix it.

I'mm sure they would have fixed it already if it were fixable. Foveon
X3 suffers from issues that aren't easy to fix.

>This brings me to another question. What software do you use as your default
>picture viewer - Win XP?
>I use Windows Picture and Fax viewer because it launches fast.

Likewise.

>However I find it annoying that I can't see at what zoom I'm viewing at any
>given time, among other things I'd like to see.

Click the Actual Size icon at the bottom to switch to 1:1 view.

>For that I open up images such as the one you're talking about in PS2.
>Can you recommend another software I could use as default - where I can
>always see the zoom and launches fast?
>How about ACDsee?

Check out IrfanView <http://www.irfanview.com/>

Firefox will tell you both the image size and the scaling on the title
bar, and you can install the PhotoME (which also works in Windows
Picture and Fax viewer) plugin for detailed information. But it doesn't
advance from image to image.


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>"jdear64" <jdear64.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Look at this photo from a Sigma DP1 beta:
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/
>>
>> and look at picture sdim0085.jpg ( second to last ). Get the jpg file
>> and look at the picture full scale and look at the bright pink shoe
>> sign. It looks like to me the pink of the shoe sign has bled to the
>> left and right of the sign. Just like it was a water base print that
>> got wet. The same thing can be seen on the yellow sign "What's On" at
>> the bottom of the picture. Has this been seen before? Does the SD14
>> suffer from the same thing?

--
Best regards,
John Navas
Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

"John Navas" <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:49:38 GMT, "Jay" <smtp.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in
> <C5wqj.9508$Ej5.8747@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>:
>
>>Yes.
>>It's clearly visible.
>>I'm sure they'll fix it.
>
> I'mm sure they would have fixed it already if it were fixable. Foveon
> X3 suffers from issues that aren't easy to fix.
>
>>This brings me to another question. What software do you use as your
>>default
>>picture viewer - Win XP?
>>I use Windows Picture and Fax viewer because it launches fast.
>
> Likewise.
>
>>However I find it annoying that I can't see at what zoom I'm viewing at
>>any
>>given time, among other things I'd like to see.
>
> Click the Actual Size icon at the bottom to switch to 1:1 view.
>
>>For that I open up images such as the one you're talking about in PS2.
>>Can you recommend another software I could use as default - where I can
>>always see the zoom and launches fast?
>>How about ACDsee?
>
> Check out IrfanView <http://www.irfanview.com/>
>
> Firefox will tell you both the image size and the scaling on the title
> bar, and you can install the PhotoME (which also works in Windows
> Picture and Fax viewer) plugin for detailed information. But it doesn't
> advance from image to image.
>
>
> p.s. Please place follow-up material below (not above) quoted material,
> as explained in Q7 of "Quoting Style in Newsgroup Postings"
> <http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html> (published by the
> news.newusers.questions Moderation Board), unless a thread is already
> using top posting. (Mixing posting styles in a given thread is
> confusing.)
>
>
>>"jdear64" <jdear64.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:32e35c0f-4155-486b-ae7c-eb4468107cd7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Look at this photo from a Sigma DP1 beta:
>>>
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/
>>>
>>> and look at picture sdim0085.jpg ( second to last ). Get the jpg file
>>> and look at the picture full scale and look at the bright pink shoe
>>> sign. It looks like to me the pink of the shoe sign has bled to the
>>> left and right of the sign. Just like it was a water base print that
>>> got wet. The same thing can be seen on the yellow sign "What's On" at
>>> the bottom of the picture. Has this been seen before? Does the SD14
>>> suffer from the same thing?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> John Navas
> Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)


Thanks,

I will try to remember to quote below the text.

Question: Is it possible to double click random images in a folder and not
have a new instance of Irfanview launch every time I click a new image?

J
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

"John Navas" <spamfilter1.DeleteThis@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
news:edhlq3t5c57q4oeed0mc41kki5broa47g1@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:49:38 GMT, "Jay" <smtp.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in
> <C5wqj.9508$Ej5.8747@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>:
>
>>Yes.
>>It's clearly visible.
>>I'm sure they'll fix it.
>
> I'mm sure they would have fixed it already if it were fixable. Foveon
> X3 suffers from issues that aren't easy to fix.

Or not at all. We're still talking about a camera that was introduced 2
years ago and is still not in the stores. I don't think we'll ever see it,
which is no great loss to any sane person.


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Sosumi
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

Thanks.
I'm going to download Irfanview.

J
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:43:04 -0600, "Jay" <smtp.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in
<KqHqj.7384$nK5.6701@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>:

>"John Navas" <spamfilter1.TakeThisOut@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:edhlq3t5c57q4oeed0mc41kki5broa47g1@4ax.com...

>> Check out IrfanView <http://www.irfanview.com/>

>Question: Is it possible to double click random images in a folder and not
>have a new instance of Irfanview launch every time I click a new image?

Yes -- check Only 1 instance in Properties/Settings.

--
Best regards,
John Navas
Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

"John Navas" <spamfilter1.TakeThisOut@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:43:04 -0600, "Jay" <smtp.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in
> <KqHqj.7384$nK5.6701@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>:
>
>>"John Navas" <spamfilter1.TakeThisOut@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>news:edhlq3t5c57q4oeed0mc41kki5broa47g1@4ax.com...
>
>>> Check out IrfanView <http://www.irfanview.com/>
>
>>Question: Is it possible to double click random images in a folder and not
>>have a new instance of Irfanview launch every time I click a new image?
>
> Yes -- check Only 1 instance in Properties/Settings.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> John Navas
> Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)


Thanks.
Found it.

J
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

Jay wrote:
> "John Navas" <spamfilter1 RemoveThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> news:m1mmq355me4je6hkkl11p3m9ka4rqjsui1@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:43:04 -0600, "Jay" <smtp RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in
>> <KqHqj.7384$nK5.6701@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>:
>>
>>> "John Navas" <spamfilter1 RemoveThis @navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>>> news:edhlq3t5c57q4oeed0mc41kki5broa47g1@4ax.com...
>>>> Check out IrfanView <http://www.irfanview.com/>
>>> Question: Is it possible to double click random images in a folder and not
>>> have a new instance of Irfanview launch every time I click a new image?
>> Yes -- check Only 1 instance in Properties/Settings.
>
> Thanks.
> Found it.

Although it only takes a tap on the escape key to dismiss an image.

When viewing full screen (hit enter), you can see the zoom by adding this
($Z%)
-paste that into the box at:
options > properties > full screen >show text

and to zoom
shift+
- (minus/dash key)
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

"jdear64" <jdear64.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32e35c0f-4155-486b-ae7c-eb4468107cd7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Look at this photo from a Sigma DP1 beta:
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/
>
> and look at picture sdim0085.jpg ( second to last ). Get the jpg file
> and look at the picture full scale and look at the bright pink shoe
> sign. It looks like to me the pink of the shoe sign has bled to the
> left and right of the sign. Just like it was a water base print that
> got wet. The same thing can be seen on the yellow sign "What's On" at
> the bottom of the picture. Has this been seen before? Does the SD14
> suffer from the same thing?

There's no bleeding from the SD14 that I've ever seen.
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws? 

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:51:56 -0500, "Peter Stavrakoglou"
<ntotrr.TakeThisOut@optonline.net> wrote in <47aba7c6$0$25053$607ed4bc@cv.net>:

>"jdear64" <jdear64.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:32e35c0f-4155-486b-ae7c-eb4468107cd7@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Look at this photo from a Sigma DP1 beta:
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/sigmadp1_preview/
>>
>> and look at picture sdim0085.jpg ( second to last ). Get the jpg file
>> and look at the picture full scale and look at the bright pink shoe
>> sign. It looks like to me the pink of the shoe sign has bled to the
>> left and right of the sign. Just like it was a water base print that
>> got wet. The same thing can be seen on the yellow sign "What's On" at
>> the bottom of the picture. Has this been seen before? Does the SD14
>> suffer from the same thing?
>
>There's no bleeding from the SD14 that I've ever seen.

In the X3 sensor color accuracy from silicon depth filtering is not as
good as the sharp cutoff color filters used on Bayer sensors, with
sometimes strange results, although reports suggest the SD14 is improved
over earlier models.

--
Best regards,
John Navas
Panasonic DMC-FZ8 (and several others)
 >> Stay informed about: Sigma DP1 picture flaws?