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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:56 pm
Post subject: Samsung GX-10 - wow!
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Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone) is
as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
Having owned both cameras I can state that the Samsung JPG algorithm
produces noticeably sharper (yet also smoother) results.
The infamous banding issue of under-exposed images is also reduced - to the
point where RAW files (DNG only on the GX-10) opened in Lightroom eliminate
the phenomenon completely when compared to the same image opened in Silkypix
(Adobe obviously likes its own format)
The menu system is also much improved over the Pentax version - much more
modern and aesthetically pleasing. Build quality is exactly the same - but
the Samsung comes with a 2 year warranty in the UK, and costs only £600 for
the 2 lens kit.
On the subject of the supplied lenses - I had planned to sell both lenses
immediately on ebay (18-55 & 50-200) but they are so sharp and generally
pleasing that I see no need to splash out on anything better at the moment.
I have some considerable experience of various Pentax glass, including the
18-55, 50-200, and a couple of the Limiteds (as well as many others) so I
know what constitutes a good example. There is no reason why the Samsung
brand lenses would be better than the Pentax version - so it appears that
(for once in my life) I got lucky and landed two samples at the better end
of the tolerance range.
All in all I'm a happier camper than I've been for a couple of years trying
cameras from Pentax Nikon and Fuji, now that Samsung have released a battery
grip to fit the slightly deeper grip profile of the GX-10 I see no reason
for buying the Pentax product.
So, if you're debating the merits of the two cameras - buy the Samsung with
confidence - I doubt that you'll be disappointed.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:56 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:55 pm
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"Paul Mitchum" <usenet RemoveThis @mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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> Sam <not RemoveThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
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>> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone)
>> is
>> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
> [..]
>
> Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
> lenses?<<
I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives all
the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter of
2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously means
that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive. >> Stay informed about: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:55 pm
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Sam <not DeleteThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
> "Paul Mitchum" <usenet DeleteThis @mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
> > Sam <not DeleteThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone)
> >> is
> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
> > [..]
> >
> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
> > lenses?<<
>
>
> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives all
> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
>
> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter of
> 2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously means
> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
website.
By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
know).
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:40 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:55 am
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"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM DeleteThis @theknack.net> wrote in message
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>I didn't even know Samsung made digital cameras. Samsung has really been
>on the rise over the last few years, I think they're the next Sony.
They've made point & shoot models for a number of years but their DSLR's
have, so far, been confined to re-badged Pentax models - *ist DS, *ist DL.
The GX10 is 99% Pentax K10D, but has a very slightly different body shape
and Samsung's own firmware (which, presumably, is where the IQ improvements
come from)
Actually, the K10D would probably never have existed at all had it not been
for Samsung's research and development money which became available to
Pentax after their collaboration announcement a couple of years ago. I know
that many Pentax owners are a bit sniffy about Samsung - perceiving them to
be 'not a real camera company' - but it's likely that in the long run
Samsung will be a dominant force in DSLR's, and will probably be standing
long after Pentax has vanished except in name only.
Samsung have recently developed their own CMOS chip, which is likely to
appear in their next DSLR offering, which will be an in-house Samsung design
(probably still keeping the K-mount, though.
Phew, that's enough banging the drum for the Koreans  , all I really know
for sure is that the GX-10 is better than the K10D I previously owned, and
gives some *very* nice images for a relatively modest outlay. That'll do me
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 3:55 am
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"Paul Mitchum" <usenet RemoveThis @mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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> Sam <not RemoveThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
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>> "Paul Mitchum" <usenet RemoveThis @mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
>> > Sam <not RemoveThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D
>> >> clone)
>> >> is
>> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
>> > [..]
>> >
>> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
>> > lenses?<<
>>
>>
>> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives all
>> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
>>
>> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter
>> of
>> 2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
>> means
>> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
>
> Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
> in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
> the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
> to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
> website.<
Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR market.
In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted upon
a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body drive
for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will not
allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>
> By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
> know).<<
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 4:36 am
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On May 4, 3:06�am, "Sam" <n... RemoveThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
> "Paul Mitchum" <use... RemoveThis @mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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> > Sam <n... RemoveThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
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> >> "Paul Mitchum" <use... RemoveThis @mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> >>news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
> >> > Sam <n... RemoveThis @thisaddress.net> wrote:
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> >> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D
> >> >> clone)
> >> >> is
> >> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
> >> > [..]
>
> >> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
> >> > lenses?<<
>
> >> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives all
> >> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
>
> >> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter
> >> of
> >> 2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
> >> means
> >> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
>
> > Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
> > in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
> > the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
> > to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
> > website.<
>
> Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
> expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR market.
>
> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted upon
> a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body drive
> for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will not
> allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>
>
>
> > By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
> > know).<<
>
> OK - how do you know - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
at B&H. Not for me. >> Stay informed about: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 5:55 am
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LOL.
"Sam" <not.RemoveThis@thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D clone)
> is as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
>
> Having owned both cameras I can state that the Samsung JPG algorithm
> produces noticeably sharper (yet also smoother) results.
>
> The infamous banding issue of under-exposed images is also reduced - to
> the point where RAW files (DNG only on the GX-10) opened in Lightroom
> eliminate the phenomenon completely when compared to the same image opened
> in Silkypix (Adobe obviously likes its own format)
>
> The menu system is also much improved over the Pentax version - much more
> modern and aesthetically pleasing. Build quality is exactly the same -
> but the Samsung comes with a 2 year warranty in the UK, and costs only
> £600 for the 2 lens kit.
>
> On the subject of the supplied lenses - I had planned to sell both lenses
> immediately on ebay (18-55 & 50-200) but they are so sharp and generally
> pleasing that I see no need to splash out on anything better at the
> moment. I have some considerable experience of various Pentax glass,
> including the 18-55, 50-200, and a couple of the Limiteds (as well as many
> others) so I know what constitutes a good example. There is no reason why
> the Samsung brand lenses would be better than the Pentax version - so it
> appears that (for once in my life) I got lucky and landed two samples at
> the better end of the tolerance range.
>
> All in all I'm a happier camper than I've been for a couple of years
> trying cameras from Pentax Nikon and Fuji, now that Samsung have released
> a battery grip to fit the slightly deeper grip profile of the GX-10 I see
> no reason for buying the Pentax product.
>
> So, if you're debating the merits of the two cameras - buy the Samsung
> with confidence - I doubt that you'll be disappointed.
>
> Regards
> >> Stay informed about: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:15 am
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On May 4, 9:02�am, John Bean <waterf....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
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> <charlie....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
> >body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. That's
> >at B&H. Not for me.
>
> Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
> UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
> the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
> US.
>
> That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
> DA50-200 on my DS.
>
> --
> John Bean
John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
either one...but at $600!
Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize. >> Stay informed about: Samsung GX-10 - wow! |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:55 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:55 am
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"Sam" <not.RemoveThis@thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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> "Paul Mitchum" <usenet.RemoveThis@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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>> Sam <not.RemoveThis@thisaddress.net> wrote:
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>>> "Paul Mitchum" <usenet.RemoveThis@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>>> news:1hxjpqn.etn724pqlb2lN%usenet@mile23.c0m...
>>> > Sam <not.RemoveThis@thisaddress.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Just in case anyone was wondering whether the Samsung GX-10 (K10D
>>> >> clone)
>>> >> is
>>> >> as good as the Pentax version, wonder no more - it's better.
>>> > [..]
>>> >
>>> > Does it have the firmware to control the SDM autofocus in the new DA*
>>> > lenses?<<
Possibly but no way to confirm yet unless you have one of the new lenses.
1.2 allows compatibility with Remote Assistant 3 on the Pentax cameras,
great tool for tethered shooting.
>>> I don't know - I've put Samsung firmware 1.2 on it today, which gives
>>> all
>>> the current Pentax features, wireless flash, etc.
Wireless flash has been available since 1.10, what Samsung flashes are you
using?
>>> Samsung state that 'weather sealed lenses' are due 'in the first quarter
>>> of
>>> 2007' - so that obviously means the new DA*'s, which in turn obviously
>>> means
>>> that it's almost certain that the firmware will support in-lens drive.
>>
>> Well, no it doesn't mean that at all. The DA* lenses can also use the
>> in-camera motor, and I can imagine Pentax wanting their brand to have
>> the super-cool feature set that Samsung/Schneider doesn't. It'd be nice
>> to know for sure, but I can't even find the cameras on Samsung's
>> website.<
>
>
> Maybe, but I doubt if Samsung will lose that advantage, given their
> expressed corporate intention to become a major player in the DSLR market.
>
> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
Rubbish, this is market driven because the big players have in lens motors.
> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted
> upon a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body
> drive for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will
> not allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
>
>
>
>>
>> By the way, the DA* ship date has been moved to August (ask me how I
>> know).<<
>
>
> OK - how do you know
>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 6:55 am
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> Wireless flash has been available since 1.10, what Samsung flashes are you
> using?<<
I've bought the Samsung SEF-36PXF, which is an identical clone of the Pentax
AF-360FGZ. It cost £99.99, unlike the Pentax version which goes for between
£150 - £200.
>> In fact, it's possible that the 'in lens motor' concept was a Samsung
>> requirement at the planning stage of the K10D - GX10 - it was, after all,
>
> Rubbish, this is market driven because the big players have in lens
> motors.<
'Rubbish'? - try not to be so agressive. I, personally, have little doubt
that in-lens motors were Samsung's idea - they know what the market wants,
unlike Pentax who were obliged to constantly reissue dismal variations of
their 6mp *istD until Samsung put some money into the pot.
I daresay that, if not for the need by Pentax to support existing lenses,
Samsung would have gone for in-lens drive from the outset.
>
>> Samsung's cash that made it possible, and they might well have insisted
>> upon a more up to date drive system, while Pentax wanted to keep the body
>> drive for legacy reasons. If that's the case, there is no way they will
>> not allow their own GX-10 to support the new lenses
> Everyone has known for weeks.
Endless product delays are another Pentax specialty (645D, anyone?....) -
perhaps, this time, prompted by the fact that they are on the brink of going
out of the camera business for good.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 9:36 am
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On May 4, 9:15 am, Charlie Self <charlie....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 9:02?am, John Bean <waterf....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
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> > On 4 May 2007 04:36:33 -0700, Charlie Self
>
> > <charlie....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >I just checked U.S. prices for the K10D and the Samsung. Straight
> > >body, K10D is $850 (minus 50 buck rebate), Samsung is $1000. ?That's
> > >at B&H. Not for me.
>
> > Charlie, the OP is quoting UK prices so I assume he's in the
> > UK. Samsung sells for a *much* lower price than Pentax in
> > the UK, not the other way around as it seems to be in the
> > US.
>
> > That's why I have a Samsung SA50-200 rather than a Pentax
> > DA50-200 on my DS.
>
> > --
> > John Bean
>
> John: Is the swing that great? When the rebate is knocked off, we're
> talking about a $200 difference for essentially the same product.
> Certainly, if I could get a GX10 for $200 less than the Pentax, I'd be
> at least poised to leap, even though I don't really have the hots for
> either one...but at $600!
>
> Of course, the OP was writing about either pounds or euros, both of
> which are worth more than the buck. And his cost was $1,195. Argh!
> Ouch. That's my wallet screaming in commiseration. I'm complaining
> about, essentially, an $825 K10D. I apologize.
For whatever reason, that Samsung is MIA, where exactly can you find
stock in the U.S.? Kind of hard to sell vapourware.
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"Sam" <not.RemoveThis@thisaddress.net> wrote in message
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> "Pete D" <no.RemoveThis@email.com> wrote in message
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>> LOL.<
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> ...and the joke is?....
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