Canon S3 and SHDC cards

On Jan 1, 10:44 pm, "roboti...@googlemail.com"
<roboti....TakeThisOut@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Interesting. I note Yoshi's followup saying that the card is SD
> compatible (thanks Yoshi).

That should be "that the camera is SDHC compatible".
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On Jan 1, 10:53 pm, Bert Hyman <b....TakeThisOut@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Innews:7ad31a4a-b8e6-4e51-b261-9a7569393602@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
> Newegg, my parts vendor of choice, lists two "Transcend" 4GB SD cards
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820163159http://....newegg
>
> neither of which shows SDHC. But, when you try to find them on
> Trancend's Web site, they're not listed. Searching for them by part
> number points to data from their download area, so maybe they stopped
> making them.

I note this bit in a review on that page:

> Pros: This card does an excellent job with my Palm TX as well as my digital camera. Neither of these will use the 4GB SDHC card but work fine with this one. If your device is an older one and will not use an SDHC card this is an excellent choice.

This definitely suggests that the transcend cards aren't SHDC, neither
by name nor by nature.
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<robotiser.RemoveThis@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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>I bought a Canon S3 IS some months ago.
>
> I'm looking for a second card to add to the second hand SanDisk Ultra
> II 4GB card I'm using now.
>
> I was thinking that the S3 can only use SD cards, not SDHC. But now I
> read that SD cards only go to 2GB, and my card must be SDHC even
> though it doesn't say SDHC anywhere on it. I bought it second hand and
> did not get any packaging or documentation with it. It definitely is a
> 4GB card as I can record 30 minutes of 640x480 30fps video on it (and
> frequently do). And this morning I had to empty the card, and there
> was 3.7GB of "stuff" on it.
>
> (Note that I was concerned after reading that there are counterfeit
> cards floating around labelled as SanDisk Ultra II, but the card seem
> to work absolutely fine).
>
> So can I buy pretty well "any" SDHC card for the camera?

Yes, although the initial specificatons of the S3IS didn't indicate SDHC
cards, Canon later announced that the camera was SDHC compatible. I use 4GB
SDHC on mine with no problems.

Yoshi
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In news:53a3dec7-e278-4d38-a95c-6fbdc38aa33b@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com
"robotiser@googlemail.com" <robotiser DeleteThis @googlemail.com> wrote:

> I was thinking that the S3 can only use SD cards, not SDHC. But now I
> read that SD cards only go to 2GB, and my card must be SDHC even
> though it doesn't say SDHC anywhere on it.

I've never run across one myself, but I've read about 4GB non-standard
SD cards. They're not SDHC, but they're not really SD either, but will
work in some devices. Maybe that's what you have.

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In news:7ad31a4a-b8e6-4e51-b261-9a7569393602@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com
"robotiser@googlemail.com" <robotiser RemoveThis @googlemail.com> wrote:

> So it looks quite plausible that my card is one of the non-standard
> cards you mention. Fortunately, the card works well in my device.
> Perhaps I've been lucky.
>

Newegg, my parts vendor of choice, lists two "Transcend" 4GB SD cards

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820163159
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208086

neither of which shows SDHC. But, when you try to find them on
Trancend's Web site, they're not listed. Searching for them by part
number points to data from their download area, so maybe they stopped
making them.

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Well, a 4G SDHC card works fine in my camera.

Trouble is, it doesn't work in my card reader. Oh well, at least the
card reader only cost £5 (actually 50p + £4.50 "postage and packing").
I can use the card by connecting the camera directly to the computer
and using gthumb-import.

Now that I have multiple cards, it's time to look at installing that
open-source replacement firmware thing onto one of them so that I can
give it a go.
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I've just realised that this probably means that my 4G sandisk card is
a 4G SD card, not an SDHC.

My previous reader cost me 50p plus £4.50 P&P. I can buy a SDHC reader
for 1p and £4.99 P&P. Wow! The card is 50 times cheaper than before.
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I have 2 4G SDHC cards (Kodak). I was explained that they are SD.
The HC merely stands for High Capacity. That's why you won't find
SD cards bigger than 2G. I never had any problems and actually I
enjoy the speed with which they transfer data to my computer.
Good luck.
-gA

robotiser RemoveThis @googlemail.com wrote:
> I've just realised that this probably means that my 4G sandisk card is
> a 4G SD card, not an SDHC.
>
> My previous reader cost me 50p plus £4.50 P&P. I can buy a SDHC reader
> for 1p and £4.99 P&P. Wow! The card is 50 times cheaper than before.
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Has anyone actually tried a true SDHC card in an S3? I would buy one if
it is known that they will work.
Allen
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In message <GrRpj.44817$ow.31205@pd7urf1no>, gA <realty.DeleteThis@ualberta.net>
writes
>I have 2 4G SDHC cards (Kodak). I was explained that they are SD. The
>HC merely stands for High Capacity. That's why you won't find SD cards
>bigger than 2G.

SDHC has a different interface to SD, but SDHC-compatible devices can
use SD cards without problems.

I have a Sandisk Ultra II 4Gb SD card which I use in a PDA (not my
camera, which can use SDHC). This is not an SDHC card but a pure SD
card. My PDA won't work with SDHC cards, being too old. I have a small
SD-USB card reader that only works with SD cards and it will read and
write this 4Gb SD card perfectly.

There isn't anything bigger than 4Gb in pure SD format available on the
market as far as I can tell. I believe that the 4Gb SD-only cards aren't
being made any more, but you can still find them for sale if you look
for them -- for example:

http://tinyurl.com/263ner

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Robert Sneddon <fred.RemoveThis@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <GrRpj.44817$ow.31205@pd7urf1no>, gA <realty.RemoveThis@ualberta.net>
> SDHC has a different interface to SD, but SDHC-compatible devices can
>use SD cards without problems.

Right.

> I have a Sandisk Ultra II 4Gb SD card which I use in a PDA (not my
>camera, which can use SDHC). This is not an SDHC card but a pure SD
>card. My PDA won't work with SDHC cards, being too old. I have a small
>SD-USB card reader that only works with SD cards and it will read and
>write this 4Gb SD card perfectly.

You got lucky in this case. The SD standard does not define the interface
for more than 2GB, therefore it is pure chance if the manufacturer of the
card had the same idea (or oversight) as the manufacturer of the camera and
the manufacturer of the card reader.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card:
"Before SDHC was standardized, various manufacturers "extended" the SD
control block fields for their 2 GB and 4 GB cards in different ways. Those
cards are incompatible with many SD and some SDHC devices, as they conform
to neither standard. All SDHC readers work with standard SD cards."

jue
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Allen <allen.DeleteThis@nothere.net> wrote:
>Has anyone actually tried a true SDHC card in an S3? I would buy one if
>it is known that they will work.

According to Canon's web site
http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/dcc/data/2005-2006/2006_ps-s...s.html?
it does not: "Recording Media SD memory card/MultiMediaCard"

jue
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Allen <allen DeleteThis @nothere.net> wrote:
> Has anyone actually tried a true SDHC card in an S3? I would buy one if
> it is known that they will work.

Somebody has, it appears:

http://www.bytephoto.com/forums/t5399.html

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