Ron - Kodak guy

"THO" <tho RemoveThis @tho.tho.23.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <MIEih.35961$cz.530665@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
> "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote:
>
> > Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000
SP4
> > & XP. NO 98SE etc.
> >
> > Is that correct?
> >
> > If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to
upgrade
> > my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is
to
> > just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
> > 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
> >
> > Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.
>
> It would cost $100 for Windows XP and $300 for a brand new computer with
> Windows XP preinstalled. The new computer will run circles around the
> old one.

And it would be entirely money wasted for nothing more than a little speed.
Word 2000, Photoshop, PSP, even Autocad (Light, school) all run well and
load fast enough. A lot of games run on it including a fair number of
emulators (GB's very favorites). It seldom crashes (no more than my XP pc it
seems though I do demand more of it on one of mine) and if high speed is
really the only reason, well I'm rural area and unlikely to be serviced by
anything than the present dialup at <= 28.8 that I can afford, e.g. Sat only
option.

As it turns out one can connect and install only the device driver for 98SE
provided it has an internet connection as it does the actual dl during the
install. I was always aware that I could buy a card reader for a 98se pc;
not that hard to find one pretty cheap. My own habit having owned a Fuji
S602Z for 5+ years now though is still; just take care connecting usb cord
and use Explorer to Move the files to hard disk then disconnect camera.
Easy, simple, know where they went and cards empty ready to be used again.
Both my kids having had cheapie webcam style cameras and have learned to do
it that basic way. No "helper" software required or wanted

I'll probably simply allow the custom install on one of my own pcs running
98se and see how easy it is to simply copy the required additions over, e.g.
nice inf file to read and see what dll's, reg entries etc. got changed.
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pjp wrote:
> "THO" <tho.TakeThisOut@tho.tho.23.invalid> wrote in message
> news:tho-2B2AAC.15273625122006@news.giganews.com...
>> In article <MIEih.35961$cz.530665@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
>> "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail_._com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000
> SP4
>>> & XP. NO 98SE etc.
>>>
>>> Is that correct?
>>>
>>> If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to
> upgrade
>>> my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is
> to
>>> just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
>>> 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
>>>
>>> Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.
>> It would cost $100 for Windows XP and $300 for a brand new computer with
>> Windows XP preinstalled. The new computer will run circles around the
>> old one.
>
> And it would be entirely money wasted for nothing more than a little speed.
> Word 2000, Photoshop, PSP, even Autocad (Light, school) all run well and
> load fast enough. A lot of games run on it including a fair number of
> emulators (GB's very favorites). It seldom crashes (no more than my XP pc it
> seems though I do demand more of it on one of mine) and if high speed is
> really the only reason, well I'm rural area and unlikely to be serviced by
> anything than the present dialup at <= 28.8 that I can afford, e.g. Sat only
> option.
>
> As it turns out one can connect and install only the device driver for 98SE
> provided it has an internet connection as it does the actual dl during the
> install. I was always aware that I could buy a card reader for a 98se pc;
> not that hard to find one pretty cheap. My own habit having owned a Fuji
> S602Z for 5+ years now though is still; just take care connecting usb cord
> and use Explorer to Move the files to hard disk then disconnect camera.
> Easy, simple, know where they went and cards empty ready to be used again.
> Both my kids having had cheapie webcam style cameras and have learned to do
> it that basic way. No "helper" software required or wanted
>
> I'll probably simply allow the custom install on one of my own pcs running
> 98se and see how easy it is to simply copy the required additions over, e.g.
> nice inf file to read and see what dll's, reg entries etc. got changed.
> .
>
>
The C743 doesn't come with a disk to install the EasyShare software, so
it would have to be downloaded. It is a rather large download, so I
would recommend anyone on dialup who wishes to use this software (I
DON'T recommend it) might want to order the disk from Kodak. For my
purposes, the card reader is the preferred method of transferring images
from the camera to ANY application since it doesn't require connecting a
USB cable, and using the camera batteries, and doesn't dangle a cable
from the desk to invite a curious cat, or toddler (not that the latter
is often in my house) to tug on it to see what is attached... Of
course, both my, and my wife's, computers have built-in card readers,
which may bias my response.
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"THO" <tho.TakeThisOut@tho.tho.23.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <Uq1kh.37326$cz.548292@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
> "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail_._com> wrote:
>
> > "THO" <tho.TakeThisOut@tho.tho.23.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:tho-2B2AAC.15273625122006@news.giganews.com...
> > > In article <MIEih.35961$cz.530665@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>,
> > > "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail_._com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows
2000
> > SP4
> > > > & XP. NO 98SE etc.
> > > >
> > > > Is that correct?
> > > >
> > > > If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to
> > upgrade
> > > > my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my
inclination is
> > to
> > > > just return the camera instead and buy another product that does
support
> > > > 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
> > > >
> > > > Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.
> > >
> > > It would cost $100 for Windows XP and $300 for a brand new computer
with
> > > Windows XP preinstalled. The new computer will run circles around the
> > > old one.
> >
> > And it would be entirely money wasted for nothing more than a little
speed.
> > Word 2000, Photoshop, PSP, even Autocad (Light, school) all run well and
> > load fast enough. A lot of games run on it including a fair number of
> > emulators (GB's very favorites). It seldom crashes (no more than my XP
pc it
> > seems though I do demand more of it on one of mine) and if high speed is
> > really the only reason, well I'm rural area and unlikely to be serviced
by
> > anything than the present dialup at <= 28.8 that I can afford, e.g. Sat
only
> > option.
> >
>
> You asked for truthful answers. I gave you a truthful answer. Let me put
> this in a way you'll understand -- paying $100 to put XP on a computer
> which is on the edge of obsolescence is akin to putting a brand-new
> transmission into a 15 year old car. It's your money ... do what you
> want.

And I replied why bother to even do that, leave it with 98SE and save the
money XP would cost. The pc meets all requirements of it's user as is.
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Ron Hunter wrote:
>
> John Turco wrote:

<edited, for brevity>

> > After a longhold out, I finally made the decision to move up to Windows
> > XP, recently. (Haven't done it, yet, but I've already bought a cheap
> > OEM XP installation CD, off eBay.)
> >
> > I'd simply become disillusioned, at seeing so little new hardware and
> > software supporting Windows Millennium. It was time to upgrade my lowly,
> > home-built PIII 1050MHz box, in order to keep it remotely competitive
> > with today's multi-GHz monsters.

<edited>

> Go ahead and install XP. It is so much more stable than WinME that you
> will think you died and went to heaven.


Hello, Ron:

I plan to do just that, after the holidays are over.


Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.RemoveThis@concentric.net>
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pjp wrote:
>
> "THO" <tho.DeleteThis@tho.tho.23.invalid> wrote in message

<edited, for brevity>

> > You asked for truthful answers. I gave you a truthful answer. Let me put
> > this in a way you'll understand -- paying $100 to put XP on a computer
> > which is on the edge of obsolescence is akin to putting a brand-new
> > transmission into a 15 year old car. It's your money ... do what you
> > want.
>
> And I replied why bother to even do that, leave it with 98SE and save the
> money XP would cost. The pc meets all requirements of it's user as is.


Hello, PJP:

Still, Windows XP could allow that eggbeater of a Pentium III computer
to soldier on, for a few more years.

Seriously, a couple of months ago, I obtained an OEM XP installation CD,
via eBay, for $42.78 USD. At such a reasonable price, it would probably
be worth it to upgrade your old PC, too.


Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.DeleteThis@concentric.net>
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"John Turco" <jtur DeleteThis @concentric.net> wrote

> Still, Windows XP could allow that eggbeater of a Pentium III computer
> to soldier on, for a few more years.

I'm another Win98SE hold-out - I actually have a legitimate XP disk but have
not 'bit the bullet' and swapped over, mainly because when you run that
'Compatibility' hardware / software wizard they provide the list it produces
is long and worrying. OK, I could upgrade the subject programmes to the
latest editions (for a price), but not much would save my Nikon LS1000 SCSI
slide scanner, whose associated programme has never heard of XP, nor has it
been replaced. (I'm told I could use Vuescan as an interface, but that's one
more item to buy.)

In case you think I'm a Luddite, in my defence I'd say I'm of the old school
'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' brigade, and for 95% of everything I do,
Win 98SE is perfectly adequate, comfortable and easy to use. The odd BSOD
just adds interest to the day!

The fact that so many people are also still using it after 8 long years
suggests it must be doing something right!

Paul
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"Paul Bartram" <p.bartram AT OR NEAR optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "John Turco" <jtur.RemoveThis@concentric.net> wrote
>
>> Still, Windows XP could allow that eggbeater of a Pentium III computer
>> to soldier on, for a few more years.
>
> I'm another Win98SE hold-out - I actually have a legitimate XP disk but
> have
> not 'bit the bullet' and swapped over, mainly because when you run that
> 'Compatibility' hardware / software wizard they provide the list it
> produces
> is long and worrying. OK, I could upgrade the subject programmes to the
> latest editions (for a price), but not much would save my Nikon LS1000
> SCSI
> slide scanner, whose associated programme has never heard of XP, nor has
> it
> been replaced. (I'm told I could use Vuescan as an interface, but that's
> one
> more item to buy.)

What, you moved up to a new scanner? What was wrong with the LS20?
Seriosly I've run NikonScan v3 and a SCSI LS20 on Windows 2000 - I suspect
your LS1000 would work just fine under XP.

> In case you think I'm a Luddite, in my defence I'd say I'm of the old
> school
> 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' brigade, and for 95% of everything I do,
> Win 98SE is perfectly adequate, comfortable and easy to use. The odd BSOD
> just adds interest to the day!

Different strokes for different folks. I know someone who is working hard
to get pure DOS running on a new notebook, so that he can dial in to
compuserve.

> The fact that so many people are also still using it after 8 long years
> suggests it must be doing something right!

LOL. Maybe XP will be ripe in another 8 years then.
--

Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/
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> "Paul Bartram" <p.bartram AT OR NEAR optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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>>
>> "John Turco" <jtur.TakeThisOut@concentric.net> wrote
>>
>>> Still, Windows XP could allow that eggbeater of a Pentium III computer
>>> to soldier on, for a few more years.
>>
>> I'm another Win98SE hold-out - I actually have a legitimate XP disk but
>> have
>> not 'bit the bullet' and swapped over, mainly because when you run that
>> 'Compatibility' hardware / software wizard they provide the list it
>> produces
>> is long and worrying. OK, I could upgrade the subject programmes to the
>> latest editions (for a price), but not much would save my Nikon LS1000
>> SCSI
>> slide scanner, whose associated programme has never heard of XP, nor has
>> it
>> been replaced. (I'm told I could use Vuescan as an interface, but that's
>> one
>> more item to buy.)


>My old trusty Minolta SCSI scanner works perfectly under XP with its ages
>old Win NT - driver on an Adaptec SCSI2 adaptor. Check your CD, there
>might be a NT driver for your scanner. What, you moved up to a new scanner?
>What was wrong with the LS20? Seriosly I've run NikonScan v3 and a SCSI
>LS20 on Windows 2000 - I suspect your LS1000 would work just fine under XP.
>
>> In case you think I'm a Luddite, in my defence I'd say I'm of the old
>> school
>> 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' brigade, and for 95% of everything I
>> do,
>> Win 98SE is perfectly adequate, comfortable and easy to use. The odd BSOD
>> just adds interest to the day!
>
> Different strokes for different folks. I know someone who is working hard
> to get pure DOS running on a new notebook, so that he can dial in to
> compuserve.
>
>> The fact that so many people are also still using it after 8 long years
>> suggests it must be doing something right!
>
> LOL. Maybe XP will be ripe in another 8 years then.
> --
>
> Mike Russell
> www.curvemeister.com/forum/
>
>
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Paul Bartram wrote:
>
> "John Turco" <jtur.RemoveThis@concentric.net> wrote
>
> > Still, Windows XP could allow that eggbeater of a Pentium III computer
> > to soldier on, for a few more years.
>
> I'm another Win98SE hold-out - I actually have a legitimate XP disk but have
> not 'bit the bullet' and swapped over, mainly because when you run that
> 'Compatibility' hardware / software wizard they provide the list it produces
> is long and worrying. OK, I could upgrade the subject programmes to the
> latest editions (for a price), but not much would save my Nikon LS1000 SCSI
> slide scanner, whose associated programme has never heard of XP, nor has it
> been replaced. (I'm told I could use Vuescan as an interface, but that's one
> more item to buy.)
>
> In case you think I'm a Luddite, in my defence I'd say I'm of the old school
> 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' brigade, and for 95% of everything I do,
> Win 98SE is perfectly adequate, comfortable and easy to use. The odd BSOD
> just adds interest to the day!
>
> The fact that so many people are also still using it after 8 long years
> suggests it must be doing something right!
>
> Paul


Hello, Paul:

I "hear" what you're typing, man. My very own home-built, PIII
"eggbeater" has gone through 98SE and Millennium -- and before that,
during its Pentium 120MHz and 233MHz incarnations, Win95.

That's nine years of the Window 9x family, for me (following two-plus
of Win3.1 and DOS 6.2., on my old Pionex 486DX2 66MHz box). It's time
to move into the 21st century, at long last!


Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.RemoveThis@concentric.net>
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