Ron - Kodak guy

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:24:28 +0000, pjp wrote:

> Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000 SP4
> & XP. NO 98SE etc.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade
> my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is to
> just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
> 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
>
> Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.

If you have USB support in your win98 it should work as a mass storage
device. You'll find no mention of Linux in their support, yet I use it
daily - simply mount as mass storage and read in the photos.
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"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.TakeThisOut@_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
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> Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000
> SP4
> & XP. NO 98SE etc.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade
> my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is
> to
> just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
> 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
>
> Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.

XP is not necessary. Get a USB card reader the supports Windows 98 and
forget about the camera drivers. Possibly you may be able to use the other
applications for editing images, etc, provided by Kodak.

While applications that run on Windows XP can generally also run on Windows
98, drivers are another matter. Windows 98 (and 95) use a VxD based driver
structure, while Windows 2000 and XP use NT-style DLL based drivers. There
are also certain graphics operations, including direct support for ICC color
profiles, new DirectX features, and other features that are absent in
Windows 98. As more features like this begin to be used in applications,
they will no longer work in Windows 98.

Kodak, like many others, decided that the user base for 98 was too small to
justify a separate code line. My guess is you'll find most camera vendors
are shedding support for Windows 98. Heck, even Windows 2000 is seven years
old.

For now, get a USB card reader and you're golden.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/
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"Charles Schuler" <charleschuler RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
> news:MIEih.35961$cz.530665@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> > Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000
> > SP4
> > & XP. NO 98SE etc.
> >
> > Is that correct?
> >
> > If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to
upgrade
> > my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is
> > to
> > just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
> > 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
> >
> > Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.
>
> Well, try it before you return it ... generic statements of OS
requirements
> tend to be on the conservative side.
>
>

Try it before returning means have to wait till "the day" and open box etc.
where-as I still have time to return and choose another if I find out answer
soon enough. I expect the camera itself to work fine but I don't like the
artificial limitation of needing the latest & greatest OS (cause it ain't).
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On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 23:42:17 +0000, pjp wrote:

>
> "Charles Schuler" <charleschuler DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ DeleteThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
>> news:MIEih.35961$cz.530665@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>> > Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000
>> > SP4
>> > & XP. NO 98SE etc.
>> >
>> > Is that correct?
>> >
>> > If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to
> upgrade
>> > my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is
>> > to
>> > just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
>> > 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
>> >
>> > Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.
>>
>> Well, try it before you return it ... generic statements of OS
> requirements
>> tend to be on the conservative side.
>>
>>
>
> Try it before returning means have to wait till "the day" and open box etc.
> where-as I still have time to return and choose another if I find out answer
> soon enough. I expect the camera itself to work fine but I don't like the
> artificial limitation of needing the latest & greatest OS (cause it ain't).

Guaranteed you can get it to work if you get a USB card reader (assuming,
of course, that it has 98 drivers). This will save on the batteries
anyway. Try crucial.com.
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WIndows 98 does not have full USB support without add-on drivers that may
not work properly. USB2 did not come into existence until years after Win98
was obsolete.
Obsolete. Get used to it.
If you think Microsoft is bad about abandoning users you should get a load
of Apple. Microsoft is downright benevolent in comparison.
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"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ DeleteThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote in message
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> Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000
> SP4
> & XP. NO 98SE etc.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade
> my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is
> to
> just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
> 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
>
> Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.
>
>

Update your operating system to XP.

Windows 98 is obsolete and is a total pain in the arse to work with compared
to XP.

It is almost impossible to buy any hardware which you can be sure will work
with 98.

You might just be able to find a card reader which can be persuaded to work
with 98, and that will be almost the only way you will be able to download
photos from any Camera to your computer system.

Get into the 21st Century, it is now almost 6 years old.

Roy G
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"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_.RemoveThis@_hotmail_._com> wrote:

> Just bought a C743 and got it home before noticing box says Windows 2000
> SP4
> & XP. NO 98SE etc.
>
> Is that correct?
>
> If so then I guess I have to decide if spending the money on XP to upgrade
> my daughter's pc (PIII-733Mz-256Ram) is worth it given my inclination is
> to
> just return the camera instead and buy another product that does support
> 98SE still. Geez, XP will cost more than the camera!!!
>
> Truthful Yes/No answer please appreciated.

You should say thank you to Kodak. The Windows 95 series of OSes are as bad
as everything the Mac crazies say about them, and the NT series are as good
as everything the Mac crazies say about Unix. Same ugly Windows face, but
under the hood, completely different.

Friends don't let friends use Windows 95/98/ME/SE

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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"bmoag" <aetoo.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> WIndows 98 does not have full USB support without add-on drivers that may
> not work properly. USB2 did not come into existence until years after
Win98
> was obsolete.
> Obsolete. Get used to it.
> If you think Microsoft is bad about abandoning users you should get a load
> of Apple. Microsoft is downright benevolent in comparison.
>

Well aware of Apple's bs. Have always wondered how they have people 'keep
the faith'.
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David J. Littleboy <davidjl.TakeThisOut@gol.com> wrote:

> Friends don't let friends use Windows 95/98/ME/SE

Unfortunately, clients forced me to buy it, as the only way I could find
to produce files that their computers could read....

________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 00:23:19 GMT, pjp wrote:

> I'll say thanks to Kodak when they decide to throw in the OS for free that
> they demand be used.
>
> BS - I have all told 7 pc's networked in house. All can run XP but I only
> have it installed on one of them AND it's not the one that anyone uses to
> connect to the net. XP's as much if not more of a pain in the ass as any MS
> OS. BTW - and there's nothing I can do under XP I can't also do under 98SE
> that I've found to date (except not run products that basically demand XP).

I'm now using XP but before that used Win95 while using several
Canon and Fuji cameras. The photo software provided by both
companies was installed and quickly forgotten. I suspect that
Kodak's software is no better, and if so, there's absolutely no
reason to worry about using the C743 with your daughter's PIII
because it's not needed as long as her computer can accommodate a
card reader. Win98SE has long been the "minimum requirement" for
adding USB support to older computers. My Win95 computer didn't
have USB ports but it had two working card readers. A slow
parallel port based reader and a very fast SCSI based reader. While
it's possible that some facet of Kodak's photo software might be
needed, it's highly unlikely. If you keep the C743 and eventually
find that the included software won't install or operate properly,
I'm sure that the C743 will still work just as well without it.
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"pjp" <pjpoirier_is_located_at_ RemoveThis @_hotmail_._com> wrote:
>>
>> Update your operating system to XP.
>
> Why, it adds no additional functionality and introduces a pile of extra
> bs.

XP and Mac OS X are a modern (protected, preemptive, multithreaded) OSes.
Win95 and the Classic Mac OS are unprotected, cooperative multitasking,
un-threaded OSes. Under 95 and the Classic Mac OS any buggy (or malicious)
program can overwrite the OS. Security is, in principle, impossible under
those OSes.

There are good, technical reasons for saying "Friends don't let friends use
Windows 95/98/ME/SE."

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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"Louise Bremner" <trap_for_junk_mail RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> David J. Littleboy <davidjl RemoveThis @gol.com> wrote:
>
>> Friends don't let friends use Windows 95/98/ME/SE
>
> Unfortunately, clients forced me to buy it, as the only way I could find
> to produce files that their computers could read....

What are you doing that requires Windows 95/98/ME/SE that can't be done on
XP???

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:23:52 +0900, David J. Littleboy wrote:

> > Unfortunately, clients forced me to buy it, as the only way I could find
> > to produce files that their computers could read....
>
> What are you doing that requires Windows 95/98/ME/SE that can't be done on
> XP???

Using insanely small hard drives?
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