Recommend- a printer - for photos? (Don't want HP logo on ..

Joseph Meehan wrote:
> ash.london.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on
>>the back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a
>>home printer.
>>
>>Does anyone sell photopaper that doesn't have this?
>
>
> You can use other papers in the HP and you can use the HP paper in other
> printers.
>
> I might suggest that HP has some rather high end printers that few
> non-professionals can afford. Personally I would not worry. Who cares how
> you make a good photo, it is a matter of how good it is.
>
> In any case you may need to try different papers until you find one that
> works well for you and your printer. Paper is as important as the ink and
> the printer in the process. It is a combined effort of all three.
>
> If you post your printer model, maybe others with the same model may be
> able to make some specific suggestions that have worked for them.
>
I regularly use Kodak papers with my HP printers. The Kodak
EasyShare software (free download from kodak.com) makes it
easy to do - it has built-in settings for most printers.
Some other papers don't work well with HP inks.
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measekite <inkystinky DeleteThis @oem.com> wrote in news:EIMdg.34267$4L1.30006
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> many are pretty sure that ilford classic is sold under the
> costco/kirkland name in the full sheet box. it says made in switzerland
> and i do not know of any other paper company in switzerland that
> produces photo paper.

You don't know that for sure, any more that the very same manufacturers of
quality aftermarket ink could be manufacturing OEM ink under contract.
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Jim wrote:

> On 2006-05-26 17:30:27 -0400, ash.london.DeleteThis@yahoo.com said:
>
>> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on the
>> back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a home
>> printer.
>>
>> Does anyone sell photopaper that doesn't have this?
>
>
> i have no experience with HP. But as far as a logo on the back, who
> much cares. So much printing is done on inkjet these days. Kodak,
> Fuji and every other photo processor did this for years. Personally,
> I use Ilford paper on my Epson printers. In particular the Classic
> Pearl for portraits/people/interiors and Classic Smooth for landscapes
> and other "glossy" applications. I find the subdued gloss more
> attractive. Yes it is expensive (about 14.00 US/25 sheets)

costco/kirkland photo glossy (presumed to be Ilford) is 125 sheets for
under $20.00. it seems you are overpaying for the same thing.

> but it is pretty paper. If I have bulk printing to do, I just take
> the image to my local photo processor. Its faster and cheaper.
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measekite wrote:
>
>
> Jim wrote:
>
>> On 2006-05-26 17:30:27 -0400, ash.london DeleteThis @yahoo.com said:
>>
>>> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on the
>>> back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a home
>>> printer.
>>>
>>> Does anyone sell photopaper that doesn't have this?
>>
>>
>> i have no experience with HP. But as far as a logo on the back, who
>> much cares. So much printing is done on inkjet these days. Kodak,
>> Fuji and every other photo processor did this for years. Personally,
>> I use Ilford paper on my Epson printers. In particular the Classic
>> Pearl for portraits/people/interiors and Classic Smooth for landscapes
>> and other "glossy" applications. I find the subdued gloss more
>> attractive. Yes it is expensive (about 14.00 US/25 sheets)
>
> costco/kirkland photo glossy (presumed to be Ilford) is 125 sheets for
> under $20.00. it seems you are overpaying for the same thing.
>
>> but it is pretty paper. If I have bulk printing to do, I just take
>> the image to my local photo processor. Its faster and cheaper.

F-U set.

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Ron Hunter wrote:

> Burt wrote:
>
>> "Ron Hunter" <rphunter DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:99udnTWgDsHhP-rZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>> ash.london DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on
>>>> the
>>>> back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a home
>>>> printer.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone sell photopaper that doesn't have this?
>>>>
>>> Where HAVE you been? You can buy paper branded by Kodak, HP, Epson,
>>> and many other brands. Just look at Office Depot, or Staples.
>>> Note that using the paper made by the printer manufacturer will
>>> usually give better results with less painful 'tweaking' of the
>>> printer settings.
>>
>>
>> Epson glossy photo papers have a logo on the back. Kodak glossy
>> papers require altering settings. I had problems with Kodak papers
>> in an Epson dye-based printer with ink not drying for the longest
>> time and bronzing in the dark areas. Using the special settings
>> suggested by Kodak tech support still didn't do it. I don't know how
>> they perform in Canon or HP printers, but that one experience was
>> enough for me.
>>
> Kodak paper works great in HP printers, but then the ink and paper
> were designed to be compatible. Today's printers and ink are a
> chemical match for eachother, which is why using the paper recommended
> by the printer/ink manufacturer is a good idea.

costco/kirkland/ilford works great in a canon printer with canon ink.
while paper is important it is more important to use factopry ink so you
do not ruin the printer. paper is either good or bad but bad ink will
give your printer the long kiss goodbye.
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measekite wrote:
>
>
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> Burt wrote:
>>
>>> "Ron Hunter" <rphunter RemoveThis @charter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:99udnTWgDsHhP-rZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>
>>>> ash.london RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on
>>>>> the
>>>>> back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a home
>>>>> printer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone sell photopaper that doesn't have this?
>>>>>
>>>> Where HAVE you been? You can buy paper branded by Kodak, HP, Epson,
>>>> and many other brands. Just look at Office Depot, or Staples.
>>>> Note that using the paper made by the printer manufacturer will
>>>> usually give better results with less painful 'tweaking' of the
>>>> printer settings.
>>>
>>>
>>> Epson glossy photo papers have a logo on the back. Kodak glossy
>>> papers require altering settings. I had problems with Kodak papers
>>> in an Epson dye-based printer with ink not drying for the longest
>>> time and bronzing in the dark areas. Using the special settings
>>> suggested by Kodak tech support still didn't do it. I don't know how
>>> they perform in Canon or HP printers, but that one experience was
>>> enough for me.
>>>
>> Kodak paper works great in HP printers, but then the ink and paper
>> were designed to be compatible. Today's printers and ink are a
>> chemical match for eachother, which is why using the paper recommended
>> by the printer/ink manufacturer is a good idea.
>
> costco/kirkland/ilford works great in a canon printer with canon ink.
> while paper is important it is more important to use factopry ink so you
> do not ruin the printer. paper is either good or bad but bad ink will
> give your printer the long kiss goodbye.

This is set to c.p.p for interesting followups.

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measekite wrote:

> costco/kirkland/ilford works great in a canon printer with canon ink.
> while paper is important it is more important to use factopry ink so you
> do not ruin the printer. paper is either good or bad but bad ink will
> give your printer the long kiss goodbye.

All but a few inkjet printers have essentially the entire ink/printing
system within the replaceable cartridge (Epson is a notable exception),
so the worst that could happen with "bad ink" is a "bad cartridge".

-michael

Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it is seriously underused."
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Taliesyn wrote:

> ash.london.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on the
>> back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a home
>> printer.
>>
>
>
> Interesting "fear of being found out" you have.

he is entitled to his own opinion.

>
> In my case, people get blown away when I tell them: "Oh, I printed
> that on my printer".

i doubt that with the generic ink you use

>
> I don't tell them I used inexpensive aftermarket ink - otherwise
> they'll be queuing at my door with their digital cameras in hand

and what do you say when the smoke clears

> .
>
> -Taliesyn
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measekite wrote:
>
>
> Taliesyn wrote:
>
>> ash.london.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on the
>>> back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a home
>>> printer.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting "fear of being found out" you have.
>
> he is entitled to his own opinion.
>
>>
>> In my case, people get blown away when I tell them: "Oh, I printed
>> that on my printer".
>
> i doubt that with the generic ink you use
>
>>
>> I don't tell them I used inexpensive aftermarket ink - otherwise
>> they'll be queuing at my door with their digital cameras in hand
>
> and what do you say when the smoke clears
>
>> .
>>
>> -Taliesyn

f-u set.

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Joseph Meehan wrote:

>measekite wrote:
>
>
>>from what i have heard is that hp paper works better in hp printers
>>than anything else. i use kirkland photo paper with canon ink in my
>>canon ip4000 and get results that rival canon photo paper pro. for
>>under $20.00 plus the cost of a fiskars rotary paper cutter you can
>>give it a try and if it does not work costco will take it back no
>>questions asked. the cut sheet 4x6 is made by anhother mfg and is
>>not as white-bright. the full sheet may be made by ilford photo
>>company.
>>
>>
>
> I would expect it to be difficult to find a paper that will work as well
>as the original. Note: the question of longevity should be considered as
>well. However if the label means a lot of the OP, then look he should and
>should consider the trade offs.
>
>
i have run tests for about a year. there is no difference in fading.
the costco paper is about 97% as good. while canon photo paper pro is
minimally better it is not worth 7 times the price. the main difference
i have observed (using canon ink) is that the costco paper is like a
frozen pond that froze in a 5mph wind ( a very slight ripple - very
slight) and the canon photo pro paper is like a pond frozen with no wind.
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Marvin wrote:

> Joseph Meehan wrote:
>
>> ash.london.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on
>>> the back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a
>>> home printer.
>>>
>>> Does anyone sell photopaper that doesn't have this?
>>
>>
>>
>> You can use other papers in the HP and you can use the HP paper
>> in other printers.
>>
>> I might suggest that HP has some rather high end printers that
>> few non-professionals can afford. Personally I would not worry.
>> Who cares how you make a good photo, it is a matter of how good it is.
>>
>> In any case you may need to try different papers until you find
>> one that works well for you and your printer. Paper is as important
>> as the ink and the printer in the process. It is a combined effort
>> of all three.
>>
>> If you post your printer model, maybe others with the same model
>> may be able to make some specific suggestions that have worked for them.
>>
> I regularly use Kodak papers with my HP printers. The Kodak EasyShare
> software (free download from kodak.com) makes it easy to do - it has
> built-in settings for most printers. Some other papers don't work well
> with HP inks.

kodak paper is terrible with canon printers.
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"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno RemoveThis @hotmail.com> writes:

> measekite wrote:
> > from what i have heard is that hp paper works better in hp printers
> > than anything else. i use kirkland photo paper with canon ink in my
> > canon ip4000 and get results that rival canon photo paper pro. for
> > under $20.00 plus the cost of a fiskars rotary paper cutter you can
> > give it a try and if it does not work costco will take it back no
> > questions asked. the cut sheet 4x6 is made by anhother mfg and is
> > not as white-bright. the full sheet may be made by ilford photo
> > company.
>
> I would expect it to be difficult to find a paper that will work as well
> as the original. Note: the question of longevity should be considered as
> well. However if the label means a lot of the OP, then look he should and
> should consider the trade offs.

I dunno, Ilford Classic Satin beats HP Premium Plus in terms of the print
quality on my HP printers, and IIRC, according to the Wilhelm tests, it is also
long lasting. The paper does not have a logo on the back. Note, some chain
stores sell some Ilford paper, but they aren't to the same specs as the paper
you buy at the photo speciality stores. Unfortunately if you want 4x6 prints,
you will have to cut down the letter size papers.

Kodak Ultima Satin was in between the Ilford and HP Premium Plus, IMHO, and was
available in 4x6 sheets. I've read that they recently stopped making it, so I
wouldn't get too enamored of it. It does have the Kodak logo on the back, but
that may be more acceptable than HP

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measekite <inkystinky DeleteThis @oem.com> writes:

> Jim wrote:
>
> > On 2006-05-26 17:30:27 -0400, ash.london DeleteThis @yahoo.com said:
> >
> >> I use HP injkets to produce some nice photos, but I hate the way on the
> >> back .. there's that HP logo, so it's obvious it's come from a home
> >> printer.
> >>
> >> Does anyone sell photopaper that doesn't have this?
> >
> >
> > i have no experience with HP. But as far as a logo on the back, who much
> > cares. So much printing is done on inkjet these days. Kodak, Fuji and every
> > other photo processor did this for years. Personally, I use Ilford paper on
> > my Epson printers. In particular the Classic Pearl for
> > portraits/people/interiors and Classic Smooth for landscapes and other
> > "glossy" applications. I find the subdued gloss more attractive. Yes it is
> > expensive (about 14.00 US/25 sheets)
>
> costco/kirkland photo glossy (presumed to be Ilford) is 125 sheets for under
> $20.00. it seems you are overpaying for the same thing.

Assuming it is the exact same paper. From what I've read, Ilford makes cheaper
paper available for the chain stores, and makes higher grade and more expensive
paper for the photo stores. So you can choose whether the price or the quality
matters most to you.

Note, there is no such thing as Ilford Classic Smooth paper, there is either
Ilford Smooth papers, which are nanoporous/instant dry/water resistant but not
as long lasting (on dye ink papers), and there are the few Ilford Classic
papers which are longer lasting, but are not water resistant papers.

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