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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 5:28 pm
Post subject: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:25 am
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RichA wrote:
>Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
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>Will it be like this?
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>http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
Who knows?
What I do know is that the Nikon mirrorless compact system camera
(CSC) is definitely coming. It was due to be released in time for the
2011 holidays but has been delayed by the earthquake/tsunami. I don't
know what the sensor size will be, but last year's strongest rumour
was for a 3/2 aspect ratio sensor with a similar area to Four Thirds,
giving a 2X focal length multiplier from full frame or 35mm film.
Nikon has four major announcements coming in the next 12 months. Apart
from the CSC, there is the D3s/x successor (D4?), the D300 successor
(D400 or even D9000?) and the D700 successor (D800). The first
announcement is currently planned for late August 2011, but there are
no reliable rumours as to which of these it will be.
There is the prospect of 34 MP and 24 MP FX (full frame) sensors for
the D4 and D800 respectively, and a 24 MP DX (APS-C) sensor for the
D400. The sensors will all be made by Sony.
The 24 MP APS-C sensor will also appear in the Sony Alpha A77 SLT. The
34 MP full frame sensor might appear in a Sony Alpha "A99" SLT if Sony
makes the decision to offer a full frame camera.
A full frame SLT is by no means certain given the extremely slow sales
of the A900 and A850 and the huge ongoing financial losses that Sony
has endured with the Alpha system. What *is* certain is that there
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:52 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:51 pm
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Bowser wrote in
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> On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
>> Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>> about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>> sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
>>
>> Will it be like this?
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
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> If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What
> would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera
> or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses?
>
> I'll keep my FZ35.
>
Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a
huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to
mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR
hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with
perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do
that with a lumpen Superzoom. >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:25 pm
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Bowser wrote:
>On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
>> Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>> about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>> sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
>>
>> Will it be like this?
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
>>
>
>If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What
>would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera
>or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses?
The Pentax 110 SLR was a niche produce way back when. I agree it
would be crazy to ape it in a CSC, although there is already a Pentax
P&S which looks very like it:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10012505pentaxoptioi10.asp
>I'll keep my FZ35.
I'm very impressed with my partner's FZ38 (same model as the FZ35).
Very, very, very few people need any more camera than this.  >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:25 pm
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On Mon, 09 May 2011 15:51:01 -0500, Rich wrote:
>Bowser wrote in
>dnT5Sj4qbpVXQnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>> On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
>>> Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>>> about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>>> sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
>>>
>>> Will it be like this?
>>>
>>> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
>>>
>>
>> If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What
>> would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera
>> or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses?
>>
>> I'll keep my FZ35.
>>
>
>Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a
>huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to
>mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR
>hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with
>perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do
>that with a lumpen Superzoom.
Canon G12?
Regards,
Eric Stevens >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 6:25 pm
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Rich wrote:
>Bowser wrote in
>dnT5Sj4qbpVXQnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>> On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
>>> Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>>> about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>>> sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
>>>
>>> Will it be like this?
>>>
>>> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
>>>
>>
>> If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What
>> would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera
>> or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses?
>>
>> I'll keep my FZ35.
>>
>
>Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a
>huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to
>mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR
>hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with
>perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do
>that with a lumpen Superzoom.
The FZ35/38 is a particularly compact camera, much smaller than some
other superzooms. But if you want a truly pocketable camera, there
are quite a few P&S digicams that have *both* excellent image quality
*and* a useful zoom range.
Staying with Panasonic, the LUMIX DMC-ZS10 (TZ20 in Europe) and ZS-8
(TZ18) offer a very slim, easily pocketable form factor and extremely
good image quality. A 14.1 MP sensor, an image processor with very
good control of noise, 1080i AVCHD video (720P MPEG on the cheaper
ZS-  and a 16X zoom Leica-badged lens (24-384 mm equivalent) makes
for a very good package. All this for under $350 at B&H.
Of course these cameras won't suit the DSLR snobs, even though most of
those haven't a hope in hell of demonstrating any superiority over the
results these fine digicams can produce. >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:25 pm
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David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>On Monday, May 9, 2011 4:14:09 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
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>> I'm very impressed with my partner's FZ38 (same model as the FZ35).
>>
>> Very, very, very few people need any more camera than this.
>
>"Need" is always an interesting standard; for most of us, certainly
>for me, my cameras are toys. Tools for my amusement, not tools
>to make money (I've made some, but not enough to pay for all my
>cameras over the years, never mind making a living). I'm still willing
>to spend money (out of my toy budget) to improve my photos sometimes.
>
>Anybody who photographs their children or their pets (other than when
>they're asleep) would probably benefit from something that focuses
>faster and can track better. I've also found a LOT of cases where the
>low-light performance of even exceptional P&S cameras is badly
>inferior to even fairly mediocre DSLRs.
>
>(I've had two Panasonic P&S cameras, and been quite happy with them
>for the things I bought them for. I haven't used this one, but no
>reviews I've seen suggest it's outstandingly better than its general
>class or its other brandmates at AF or low light.)
You have no need to justify your choices to me or anyone else, David.
You are one of the few who know what they are doing.
Daily contact with camera buyers has taught me a lot, notably just how
few of them have even the faintest idea about what photography is
about. When they don't get the results that the camera is capable of,
they blame the camera, or decide to spend yet more money on equipment
that they don't understand.
We already offer free tutorials to people who buy interchangeable lens
cameras and anything out of the ordinary, such as the Leica X1 and
Fujifilm FinePix X100. We're thinking about how to offer a more
elementary tutorial to P&S and superzoom buyers, but the problem is
that the margin we get on these cameras isn't enough to offer it free
of charge. >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:34 pm
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On 5/9/2011 4:51 PM, Rich wrote:
> Bowser wrote in
> dnT5Sj4qbpVXQnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d.RemoveThis@giganews.com:
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>> On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
>>> Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>>> about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>>> sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
>>>
>>> Will it be like this?
>>>
>>> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
>>>
>>
>> If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What
>> would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera
>> or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses?
>>
>> I'll keep my FZ35.
>>
>
> Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a
> huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to
> mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR
> hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with
> perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do
> that with a lumpen Superzoom.
True enough, but will a camera that small be usable? Even for those of
us with average size hands, I can't see how it will be anything but
clumsy. Even the NEX 5 is cutting it close for being too small.
We'll see. No point debating the pros and cons of rumored cams. In the
meantime, I'll continue to enjoy the three cams I do have since I'm
pretty sure they're not rumors. >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:35 pm
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On 5/9/2011 6:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
> Rich wrote:
>> Bowser wrote in
>> dnT5Sj4qbpVXQnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d RemoveThis @giganews.com:
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>>> On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
>>>> Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>>>> about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>>>> sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
>>>>
>>>> Will it be like this?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
>>>>
>>>
>>> If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What
>>> would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera
>>> or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses?
>>>
>>> I'll keep my FZ35.
>>>
>>
>> Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a
>> huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to
>> mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR
>> hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with
>> perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do
>> that with a lumpen Superzoom.
>
>
> The FZ35/38 is a particularly compact camera, much smaller than some
> other superzooms. But if you want a truly pocketable camera, there
> are quite a few P&S digicams that have *both* excellent image quality
> *and* a useful zoom range.
>
> Staying with Panasonic, the LUMIX DMC-ZS10 (TZ20 in Europe) and ZS-8
> (TZ18) offer a very slim, easily pocketable form factor and extremely
> good image quality. A 14.1 MP sensor, an image processor with very
> good control of noise, 1080i AVCHD video (720P MPEG on the cheaper
> ZS- and a 16X zoom Leica-badged lens (24-384 mm equivalent) makes
> for a very good package. All this for under $350 at B&H.
>
> Of course these cameras won't suit the DSLR snobs, even though most of
> those haven't a hope in hell of demonstrating any superiority over the
> results these fine digicams can produce.
>
>
Hey! Does this make you a "superzoom snob?"
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:36 pm
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On 5/9/2011 5:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
> Bowser wrote:
>> On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
>>> Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with
>>> about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a
>>> sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!!
>>>
>>> Will it be like this?
>>>
>>> http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398
>>>
>>
>> If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What
>> would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera
>> or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses?
>
>
> The Pentax 110 SLR was a niche produce way back when. I agree it
> would be crazy to ape it in a CSC, although there is already a Pentax
> P&S which looks very like it:
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10012505pentaxoptioi10.asp
>
>
>> I'll keep my FZ35.
>
>
> I'm very impressed with my partner's FZ38 (same model as the FZ35).
>
> Very, very, very few people need any more camera than this.
>
>
I use mine all the time, unless the situation calls for the 5D II. But
Panasonic did a nice job on the FZ35. Best JPG engine on the market, and
an auto mode that really, really works well. Love it. >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:25 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:39 am
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On 5/10/2011 7:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
> Bowser wrote:
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>> Hey! Does this make you a "superzoom snob?"
>>
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>
> No, but there is nothing wrong with singing their praises.
>
> People who obsess about pixel densities and unquestioningly assert
> that only DSLRs will do are denying themselves the opportunity to use
> these outstanding cameras.
>
Likewise, anyone who claims that ANY camera, superzoom or not, is good
for everything is also denying reality. I've yet to see a one size fits
all solution. >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:25 am
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Bowser wrote:
>On 5/10/2011 7:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> Bowser wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey! Does this make you a "superzoom snob?"
>>>
>>
>>
>> No, but there is nothing wrong with singing their praises.
>>
>> People who obsess about pixel densities and unquestioningly assert
>> that only DSLRs will do are denying themselves the opportunity to use
>> these outstanding cameras.
>>
>
>Likewise, anyone who claims that ANY camera, superzoom or not, is good
>for everything is also denying reality. I've yet to see a one size fits
>all solution.
True, but a good superzoom comes very close, satisfying the needs of
more people than any other camera type. Quite a few people find
superzooms intimidating, and want something smaller and/or simpler,
and a P&S is ideal for them.
P&S and superzooms together cover the needs of the vast majority of
camera users. Very few people need a DSLR, but many more people buy
them than need them. Perhaps mirrorless CSCs offer a good compromise? >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:25 am
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Bowser wrote:
>On 5/10/2011 9:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> P&S and superzooms together cover the needs of the vast majority of
>> camera users. Very few people need a DSLR, but many more people buy
>> them than need them. Perhaps mirrorless CSCs offer a good compromise?
>
>Not until the Af improves. For all the hype, the AF systems (at least
>the models I've tried) still can't touch SLR AF. So if you need to shoot
>moving subjects you are better served by an SLR.
That's changing, though not as rapidly as I thought.
The Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH2 has an ultra-fast contrast-detect AF
system that would shame most of today's DSLRs. It is fast, decisive
and extremely accurate - the latter cannot be truthfully said of many
DSLRs' phase-detect systems, which tend to have systematic errors.
The same system is also used in a Ricoh P&S camera. I had expected
that it would quickly gain wide acceptance and be offered in many new
digital cameras this year, but I was wrong. Only these two cameras
offer it at this time. >> Stay informed about: Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it |
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