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NikkoJay

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:55 am
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I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly recommended
that you shoot in Raw mode. However i am having difficulty in uploading my
images from my Cannon EOS 350D onto my computer. The computer is saying i
have no images available when clearly i have, can anyone give me some advise
in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop CS2.

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Rudy Benner

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:55 am
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"NikkoJay" <u27492@uwe> wrote in message news:6741512d8f8ff@uwe...
>I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly
>recommended
> that you shoot in Raw mode. However i am having difficulty in uploading
> my
> images from my Cannon EOS 350D onto my computer. The computer is saying i
> have no images available when clearly i have, can anyone give me some
> advise
> in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop
> CS2.
>

What method are you using to move the images (files) from your flash card to
your computer?

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Jim Townsend

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:57 am
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:55 am
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Do you have the RAW plugin installed that supports the 350D.

"NikkoJay" <u27492@uwe> wrote in message news:6741512d8f8ff@uwe...
>I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly
>recommended
> that you shoot in Raw mode. However i am having difficulty in uploading
> my
> images from my Cannon EOS 350D onto my computer. The computer is saying i
> have no images available when clearly i have, can anyone give me some
> advise
> in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop
> CS2.
>
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NikkoJay

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:55 am
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Thank you for replying, having purchased the camera a long time before my
computer i have just realised that i need to install the software that came
with my cannon and have been using USB port and windows to upload. Since
experimenting with RAW images i have only recently come across this problem.
However i seem to have mislaid my installation disc any suggestions?

Rudy Benner wrote:
>>I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly
>>recommended
>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop
>> CS2.
>
>What method are you using to move the images (files) from your flash card to
>your computer?
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NikkoJay

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:55 am
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No i seem to have mislaid my installation disk that came with my camera as i
purchased the camera well before my computer, and did not realise that i
needed to install it and have been using USB and windows to upload.

Pete D wrote:
>Do you have the RAW plugin installed that supports the 350D.
>
>>I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly
>>recommended
>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop
>> CS2.
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Bill Crocker

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:55 am
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"NikkoJay" <u27492@uwe> wrote in message news:6741d3fa2ca61@uwe...
> No i seem to have mislaid my installation disk that came with my camera as
> i
> purchased the camera well before my computer, and did not realise that i
> needed to install it and have been using USB and windows to upload.
>
> Pete D wrote:
>>Do you have the RAW plugin installed that supports the 350D.
>>
>>>I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly
>>>recommended
>>[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>> in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop
>>> CS2.
>

You should be able to download the software from Canon here:
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=DownloadIndexAct

Bill Crocker
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Joseph Meehan

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:55 am
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NikkoJay wrote:
> I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly
> recommended that you shoot in Raw mode. However i am having
> difficulty in uploading my images from my Cannon EOS 350D onto my
> computer. The computer is saying i have no images available when
> clearly i have, can anyone give me some advise in simple english. My
> preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop CS2.

Let me offer some opposing advice.

I suggest that most people should NOT save images in RAW.

Using RAW increases the amount of storage space used in the camera and
on the computer.
Using RAW confuses many users resulting in more problems than advantages
Using RAW is only and advantage for more advanced users and generally
they will know when it is time to start using RAW and do not need the
advice.

The techniques and equipment that are commonly used by professionals and
advanced amateurs are seldom the best choices for the other 99% of
photographers. The more advanced equipment and techniques are not "Better"
than the more basic but rather they are better for the few who can profit
from them. The simpler equipment and techniques are far better for the rest
of humanity.

I believe that those who do use advanced equipment and techniques should
be careful about recommending them.

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Joseph Meehan

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Annika1980

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:55 am
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
> Let me offer some opposing advice.
>
> I suggest that most people should NOT save images in RAW.
>
> Using RAW increases the amount of storage space used in the camera and
> on the computer.

That's like suggesting that you take all your pics at the "Small - JPG"
setting to save space.
Or don't get a camera larger than 2MP cause the files are too big.

Sure, the RAW workflow is a bit more complicated than shooting JPG, but
if quality counts to you then you should shoot RAW.
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NikkoJay

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:55 am
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Thank you for this link thankfully i have managed to locate my disk!!! and
have installed it and can now upload raw files using this software thanks for
all your help!!!

Bill Crocker wrote:
>> No i seem to have mislaid my installation disk that came with my camera as
>> i
>[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>>> in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop
>>>> CS2.
>
>You should be able to download the software from Canon here:
>http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=DownloadIndexAct
>
>Bill Crocker
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scatman

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:45 pm
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Jim Townsend wrote:
> NikkoJay wrote:
>
> > I am very new to digital photography and i know that it is highly recommended
> > that you shoot in Raw mode. However i am having difficulty in uploading my
> > images from my Cannon EOS 350D onto my computer. The computer is saying i
> > have no images available when clearly i have, can anyone give me some advise
> > in simple english. My preferred processing software is Adobe Photoshop CS2.
>
> Canon cameras can't be seen as an external drive. If you're using the camera
> wizard built into Windows XP, you won't see RAW files. The functionality isn't
> built in to Windows.
>
> The easiest solution is to spend $10 on a compact flash card reader.
There is an update available @ Microsoft that allows RAW files to be
viewed in windows.
I use it for my NEF (Nikon) files, but I'm sure it probably works for
Canon also.
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Helen

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:55 pm
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"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Let me offer some opposing advice.
>
> I suggest that most people should NOT save images in RAW.
>
.......
> I believe that those who do use advanced equipment and techniques
> should be careful about recommending them.
>

And let's not, at the same time, be in the least bit patronising shall we.
H.
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Floyd L. Davidson

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:54 pm
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"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Quality always counts. When I was shooting film I used everything from
>35mm to 20x24 glass plate equipment. You can't tell me that you can produce
>the quality of a 20x24 glass plate using commonly available digital
>equipment today, even using RAW. If you were to follow your logic then why
>are your bothering with digital, why are you not using something better?
>
> Let me make the same response to all, sorry for the lack of personal
>response, but it all seems to come down to the same issue.

I don't know why you posted this so many times... Wink

Whatever, while I basically agree with your point, there are
some flaws that need to be worked out.

The big one is this claim about 20x24 glass plate equipment
producing quality that can't be duplicated with "commonly
available digital equipment". That is *not* true. But worse
yet, there is no such thing as "commonly available" 20x24 glass
plate equipment! You are comparing very highly specialized
equipment to commonly available equipment, which is not exactly
a fair test of anything.

Regardless, think about digital stitching, and realize that any
of the better digital systems can produce images that are
stitched together from multiple smaller images. The result is
certainly going to out do 20x24" glass plate... except that the
computer needed to manipulate the images produced is not exactly
a standard PC configuration.

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Joseph Meehan

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:55 pm
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Annika1980 wrote:
> Joseph Meehan wrote:
>> Let me offer some opposing advice.
>>
>> I suggest that most people should NOT save images in RAW.
>>
>> Using RAW increases the amount of storage space used in the
>> camera and on the computer.
>
> That's like suggesting that you take all your pics at the "Small -
> JPG" setting to save space.
> Or don't get a camera larger than 2MP cause the files are too big.
>
> Sure, the RAW workflow is a bit more complicated than shooting JPG,
> but if quality counts to you then you should shoot RAW.

Quality always counts. When I was shooting film I used everything from
35mm to 20x24 glass plate equipment. You can't tell me that you can produce
the quality of a 20x24 glass plate using commonly available digital
equipment today, even using RAW. If you were to follow your logic then why
are your bothering with digital, why are you not using something better?

Let me make the same response to all, sorry for the lack of personal
response, but it all seems to come down to the same issue.

I have a lot of experience helping lesser skilled people take
photographs they are happy with and proud of. I have found that each person
has different needs. Not everyone needs or expects or appreciates the same
things in life or photography. Photography is not the center of most
peoples lives.

Photography is in the center of may people's lives and of those who
respond here that percentage is much higher than the population overall. You
are not representative of most people.

Those differences should be recognized and accepted. They also need to
be respected.

It is not patronizing to guild someone to the path that will make them
happy. It is not respectful to guild someone to a path that will frustrate
them.

I am a rower. I enjoy the sport. I don't get excited about being the
fastest or the best in technique. There are some rowers who would consider
me as you apparently consider those who do not need the "best quality"
images if it means taking up too much effort and they no longer enjoy it. I
don't want to spend my time rowing trying to be the fastest, I like taking
it a little slower and enjoying the water and my friends. I appreciate the
skill and effort put forth by those who do race, but I don't want to do the
same. I believe it is time you realize that not everyone in the world sees
the world as you do.

I stand my by opinion that to over emphasis the technical parts of the
art is of no service to anyone other than possibly to build a bigger ego for
those who do.

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Joseph Meehan

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:55 pm
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Helen wrote:
> "Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7%MUg.3871$Cq3.1228@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>>
>> Let me offer some opposing advice.
>>
>> I suggest that most people should NOT save images in RAW.
>>
> ......
>> I believe that those who do use advanced equipment and techniques
>> should be careful about recommending them.
>>
>
> And let's not, at the same time, be in the least bit patronising
> shall we. H.


Let me make the same response to all, sorry for the lack of personal
response, but it all seems to come down to the same issue.

I have a lot of experience helping lesser skilled people take
photographs they are happy with and proud of. I have found that each person
has different needs. Not everyone needs or expects or appreciates the same
things in life or photography. Photography is not the center of most
peoples lives.

Photography is in the center of may people's lives and of those who
respond here that percentage is much higher than the population overall. You
are not representative of most people.

Those differences should be recognized and accepted. They also need to
be respected.

* It is not patronizing to guide someone to the path that will make them
happy. It is not respectful to guide someone to a path that will frustrate
them.

I am a rower. I enjoy the sport. I don't get excited about being the
fastest or the best in technique. There are some rowers who would consider
me as you apparently consider those who do not need the "best quality"
images if it means taking up too much effort and they no longer enjoy it. I
don't want to spend my time rowing trying to be the fastest, I like taking
it a little slower and enjoying the water and my friends. I appreciate the
skill and effort put forth by those who do race, but I don't want to do the
same. I believe it is time you realize that not everyone in the world sees
the world as you do.

I stand my by opinion that to over emphasis the technical parts of the
art is of no service to anyone other than possibly to build a bigger ego for
those who do.



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Joseph Meehan

Dia duit
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