Printer consumables

On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
> suppliers in the UK?
> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>
> TIA

Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
$ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
after doing 15 sheets.
The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:26:20 -0700, philc wrote:

> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
> suppliers in the UK?

The new Kodak all-in-one units report a consummables cost 1/2 the
competition.

> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>
> TIA
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:

> On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
>> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
>> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
>> suppliers in the UK?
>> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
>> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
>> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
>> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
>> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
>> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
>> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
>> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>>
>> TIA
>
> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
> $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
> after doing 15 sheets.
> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
> there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
> runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.

There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job with a
$300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a machine which
cost several thousand dollars.
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philc wrote:
> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
> suppliers in the UK?
> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>
> TIA
>

AT the moment, the lowest cost for consumables is held by the new Kodak
printers. The inks are pigment inks, which will probably last as long
as any prints you buy at a photoprinter.
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ray wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:
>
>> On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
>>> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
>>> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
>>> suppliers in the UK?
>>> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
>>> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
>>> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
>>> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
>>> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
>>> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
>>> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
>>> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>>>
>>> TIA
>> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
>> $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
>> after doing 15 sheets.
>> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
>> there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
>> runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.
>
> There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job with a
> $300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a machine which
> cost several thousand dollars.
>

True, but I can do it faster, and with less travel time.
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Ron Hunter wrote:
>ray wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
>>>> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
>>>> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
>>>> suppliers in the UK?
>>>> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
>>>> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
>>>> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
>>>> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
>>>> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
>>>> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
>>>> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
>>>> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
>>> $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
>>> after doing 15 sheets.
>>> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
>>> there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
>>> runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.
>>
>> There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job with a
>> $300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a machine which
>> cost several thousand dollars.
>>

>True, but I can do it faster, and with less travel time.

It seems to me that printer manufacturers have gotten onto
the wrong side of the price/demand curve. I know many folks
who have totally given up on printing their own photos. Instead
they take them to Walmart or wherever.

Reason? Printing at home is too expensive. It may be too
late to recapture that market, but I'd think that halving the
cost of the ink would *more* than double the number of cartridges
sold due both to more printing per person and more people
printing.

--
--- Paul J. Gans
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Paul J Gans wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
>>>>> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
>>>>> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
>>>>> suppliers in the UK?
>>>>> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
>>>>> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
>>>>> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
>>>>> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
>>>>> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
>>>>> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
>>>>> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
>>>>> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
>>>> $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
>>>> after doing 15 sheets.
>>>> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
>>>> there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
>>>> runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.
>>> There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job with a
>>> $300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a machine which
>>> cost several thousand dollars.
>>>
>
>> True, but I can do it faster, and with less travel time.
>
> It seems to me that printer manufacturers have gotten onto
> the wrong side of the price/demand curve. I know many folks
> who have totally given up on printing their own photos. Instead
> they take them to Walmart or wherever.
>
> Reason? Printing at home is too expensive. It may be too
> late to recapture that market, but I'd think that halving the
> cost of the ink would *more* than double the number of cartridges
> sold due both to more printing per person and more people
> printing.
>
I agree with you, Paul.
I buy generic ink cartridges for my Canon Pixma iP3000 for about 35% the
cost of new cartridges. I print lots of 8x10s and don't give cost a
second thought. Despite a lot of pooh-poohing of generic inks in
magazines, by direct A-B comparisons, I have found very little if any
difference between Generic and OEM inks. The problem is that generics
are not available for most printers, especially those using pigment
based inks. For my Super Shots, I have them printed at Costco ........
mainly for increased longevity.
Bob Williams
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Paul J Gans wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
>>>>> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
>>>>> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
>>>>> suppliers in the UK?
>>>>> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
>>>>> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
>>>>> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
>>>>> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
>>>>> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
>>>>> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
>>>>> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
>>>>> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
>>>> $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
>>>> after doing 15 sheets.
>>>> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
>>>> there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
>>>> runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.
>>> There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job with a
>>> $300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a machine which
>>> cost several thousand dollars.
>>>
>
>> True, but I can do it faster, and with less travel time.
>
> It seems to me that printer manufacturers have gotten onto
> the wrong side of the price/demand curve. I know many folks
> who have totally given up on printing their own photos. Instead
> they take them to Walmart or wherever.
>
> Reason? Printing at home is too expensive. It may be too
> late to recapture that market, but I'd think that halving the
> cost of the ink would *more* than double the number of cartridges
> sold due both to more printing per person and more people
> printing.
>

I am sure that is exactly what Kodak is hoping will happen. Remains to
be seen if they are right. I have looked at their printers, and while
they are a bit more expensive, they seem well built, if a bit larger
than I like. Not really in the market for a new printer, but if I were,
they would go on the short list.
But cost savings is NOT one of the reasons for printing one's own
pictures. There are several:
1. Immediate results.
2. Flexible, per picture adjustments
3. Privacy.
4. Control of quality, paper choice, etc.

I am sure there are many more, but cost savings aren't among them.
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On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:37:54 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
wrote:

>Ron Hunter wrote:
>>ray wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
>>>>> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
>>>>> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
>>>>> suppliers in the UK?
>>>>> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
>>>>> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
>>>>> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
>>>>> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
>>>>> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
>>>>> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
>>>>> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
>>>>> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA
>>>> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
>>>> $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
>>>> after doing 15 sheets.
>>>> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
>>>> there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
>>>> runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.
>>>
>>> There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job with a
>>> $300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a machine which
>>> cost several thousand dollars.
>>>
>
>>True, but I can do it faster, and with less travel time.
>
>It seems to me that printer manufacturers have gotten onto
>the wrong side of the price/demand curve. I know many folks
>who have totally given up on printing their own photos. Instead
>they take them to Walmart or wherever.
>
>Reason? Printing at home is too expensive. It may be too
>late to recapture that market, but I'd think that halving the
>cost of the ink would *more* than double the number of cartridges
>sold due both to more printing per person and more people
>printing.
>
>--
> --- Paul J. Gans


I'd like to offer another solution to this movement away from home
printing. If the printer manufacturers would sell the printers at a
price to insure a fair profit on them ALONE and stop trying to make
all their profit on the cartridges at their high prices and efforts to
thwart refilling, more people would do their printing at home. That
was the way things were a few years ago, but someone decided to go for
a totally different marketing strategy. If it is costing them sales
dollars now - you suppose they will figure out why? And go back to
what used to work? I'm not holding my breath.

Olin McDaniel

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Olin K. McDaniel wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:37:54 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
> wrote:
>
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 12, 9:26 am, philc wrote:
>>>>>> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
>>>>>> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
>>>>>> suppliers in the UK?
>>>>>> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
>>>>>> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
>>>>>> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
>>>>>> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
>>>>>> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
>>>>>> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
>>>>>> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
>>>>>> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is around
>>>>> $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen cartidges run out
>>>>> after doing 15 sheets.
>>>>> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers out
>>>>> there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home printing
>>>>> runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside source.
>>>> There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job with a
>>>> $300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a machine which
>>>> cost several thousand dollars.
>>>>
>>> True, but I can do it faster, and with less travel time.
>> It seems to me that printer manufacturers have gotten onto
>> the wrong side of the price/demand curve. I know many folks
>> who have totally given up on printing their own photos. Instead
>> they take them to Walmart or wherever.
>>
>> Reason? Printing at home is too expensive. It may be too
>> late to recapture that market, but I'd think that halving the
>> cost of the ink would *more* than double the number of cartridges
>> sold due both to more printing per person and more people
>> printing.
>>
>> --
>> --- Paul J. Gans
>
>
> I'd like to offer another solution to this movement away from home
> printing. If the printer manufacturers would sell the printers at a
> price to insure a fair profit on them ALONE and stop trying to make
> all their profit on the cartridges at their high prices and efforts to
> thwart refilling, more people would do their printing at home. That
> was the way things were a few years ago, but someone decided to go for
> a totally different marketing strategy. If it is costing them sales
> dollars now - you suppose they will figure out why? And go back to
> what used to work? I'm not holding my breath.
>
> Olin McDaniel
>

Kodak is exploring just that marketing plan. However, the 'Gillette'
plan (give away the razor, sell blades) has been a very successful plan
for more than 100 years now. I don't expect it to disappear any time
soon. It is great for those of us who print a few pages a month.
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On 12 Sep, 14:26, philc wrote:
> Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
> costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
> suppliers in the UK?
> Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
> range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
> I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
> or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
> but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
> waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
> surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
> cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>
> TIA

looks like im going to try the canon cp720 (£50 in-store in jessops),
and the cartridge £18 for 108 in Amazon. Anybody got any experience
with this printer?
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On Sep 13, 2:26 am, Ron Hunter wrote:
> philc wrote:
> > Am looking to buy my first printer, and want to research consumable
> > costs, as they seem to vary widely. what are the cheapest consumables
> > suppliers in the UK?
> > Also are there any comparison tables showing cost per print for a wide
> > range of printers (ink jet and die-sub)?
> > I dont intend on spending more than £100, not sure if i want ink-jet
> > or die-sub. i understand i'll be more limited on size with die-sub,
> > but as i may not be using it frequently i may - from what i've read -
> > waste ink on an ink-jet by using them infrequently. I am also
> > surprised that the costs from what ive seen so far are approx 3-4x the
> > cost of photobox for 6x4's.
>
> > TIA
>
> AT the moment, the lowest cost for consumables is held by the new Kodak
> printers. The inks are pigment inks, which will probably last as long
> as any prints you buy at a photoprinter.

Ron, do you know where i can find a price comparison table anywhere on
the net?
I've tried to find Kodak 10 x 15 Printer Dock media, but struggle to
find it for <£0.30 per 6*4 print, whereas the canon works out at under
17p per print.
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Ron Hunter wrote in


> Paul J Gans wrote:
>> Ron Hunter wrote:
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:46:16 -0700, Rich wrote:
>>>>
snip>>>>>> TIA
>>>>> Average cost of print from a mid-priced inkjet (for the ink) is
>>>>> around $ 2.50- $ 3.00 per image for an 8 x 10. I've seen
>>>>> cartridges run out after doing 15 sheets.
>>>>> The paper cost is about $1.00 sheet. So, when there are printers
>>>>> out there who charge $2.00 each for printing an 8 x 10. So home
>>>>> printing runs almost double that of getting it done by an outside
>>>>> source.
>>>> There is also no reason to believe that you can do a better job
>>>> with a $300 inkjet printer that the printing services can do with a
>>>> machine which cost several thousand dollars.
>>>>
>>
>>> True, but I can do it faster, and with less travel time.
>>
>> It seems to me that printer manufacturers have gotten onto
>> the wrong side of the price/demand curve. I know many folks
>> who have totally given up on printing their own photos. Instead
>> they take them to Wal-Mart or wherever.
>>
>> Reason? Printing at home is too expensive. It may be too
>> late to recapture that market, but I'd think that halving the
>> cost of the ink would *more* than double the number of cartridges
>> sold due both to more printing per person and more people
>> printing.
>>
>
> I am sure that is exactly what Kodak is hoping will happen. Remains
> to be seen if they are right. I have looked at their printers, and
> while they are a bit more expensive, they seem well built, if a bit
> larger than I like. Not really in the market for a new printer, but
> if I were, they would go on the short list.
> But cost savings is NOT one of the reasons for printing one's own
> pictures. There are several:
> 1. Immediate results.
> 2. Flexible, per picture adjustments
> 3. Privacy.
> 4. Control of quality, paper choice, etc.
>
> I am sure there are many more, but cost savings aren't among them.
>

Hi all:
I too have looked at the Kodak printers and my problem with then is that
they only do 4x6 inch prints or they are “all in ones”. I don’t need or
want an all in one printer. I want a printer that will do an 8.5x11 inch
or slightly bigger and do that very well. I seldom use an outside
printer, as I’m fussy about how my prints look. There is a local photo
shop that does large format inkjets in house and I use them for 11x14 and
bigger prints. But even then they do a small scale proof for me before I
commit to the big finish print. I’ve been printing color photograph in my
own darkroom since 1970 and I know what I want. Right now I’m using a
dirt cheap Epson R200 with a custom profile and Qimage printing software
and I’m getting some of the best looking prints I’ve ever made, inkjet or
wet darkroom. I do not think that Wal-Mart could give me the quality of
print that I want. I do wish Kodak well and hope that the other printer
makers take up the idea of fairly pricing ink but I’m not holding my
breath.

John Passaneau
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