Photoshop elements 6.0

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:13:58 +0000, Tea Sunrise wrote:

> Do you recommend elements 6.0 for a novice photographer. I may or
> may not aspire to start using Photoshop in the future. Not sure yet.
>
> And do you recommend the video editing program that is sometimes
> bundled with it? Is it better than Windows Movie maker? Thanks for
> answering.

FWIW - I use ufraw and GIMP.
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In article <Xns99DAAE65C303CReplyScoreID RemoveThis @140.99.99.130>, HEMI-Powered
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> I know zero.zero about anything PhotoShop, I'm a PSP fan. But, I
> do know something about both integer and floating point
> arithmetic on CPUs both the SW and the HW instruction set kind.
> So, while I clearly agree with you that anything in this day and
> age that is still using 16-bit code isn't even worth of the term
> "yestertech".

the *code* is 32 bit. the size of the pixels it processes can be 8, 16
or 32, depending on the image. the math it uses is 15 bit for several
reasons, one of which is substantially faster code execution.
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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:13:58 -0000, Tea Sunrise <bernardmac RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>Do you recommend elements 6.0 for a novice photographer. I may or
>may not aspire to start using Photoshop in the future. Not sure yet.
>
>And do you recommend the video editing program that is sometimes
>bundled with it? Is it better than Windows Movie maker? Thanks for
>answering.

Avoid PhotoShop ANYTHING. It's only a 16-bit math platform, even the latest $700
CS3 is 16-bit math, no better than Windows 1.0 from 22 years ago (16 bit Windows
1.0 started in 1985). 32-bit wasn't started until Windows 3.0/3.1. PhotoShop
isn't even as good as Windows 3.x software. It may look "pretty", but it's a
2-decades-old crippled and suffering dog that should have been put to sleep
that long ago. It also only has bicubic for its best resampling algorithm,
last-century's technique. Anytime you resize or rotate an image to level it the
fine details become smeared and blurred.

Try some of the other editors listed on the page below. You're sure to find one
with the capabilities and price-range you need. And something that's not working
on 20 years old programming foundation. There are many of them that are far
better than PhotoShop and for much less cost. Some of them are even free.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_raster_graphics_editors
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In article <ualhi3lfh96h2ong93ju2eeea3vtmurgjd.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
PhotoShop is a JOKE <spamless.DeleteThis@spamblock.org> wrote:

> Avoid PhotoShop ANYTHING. It's only a 16-bit math platform, even the latest
> $700
> CS3 is 16-bit math, no better than Windows 1.0 from 22 years ago (16 bit
> Windows
> 1.0 started in 1985).

The day I buy a 32-bit camera, and I will look for a 32-bit program.
Until then, Photoshop is as good a I need and most of the world's best
photographers need. By the way an 8-bit computer can run 32-bit math
software. It just takes the correct programming. After all all
computers are binary (1 bit) machines built and programmed to do bytes.
A 32-bit computer is normally faster, but is not the only show in town.

Photoshop Elements is ideal for photographers. Photoshop CS is more for
printers, illustrators, artists and designers. Photoshop Elements has
some things for photographers that Photoshop CS lacks. Here are some
things that Photoshop Elements has that Photoshop CS doesn't have:

Spot Healing Brush
Impressionist Brush
Selection Brush
Cookie Cutter
Red Eye Removal
Auto Smart Fix
Auto Color Corrections
Adjust Smart Fix
Remove Color Cast
Quick Fix Mode
Process Multiple Files
Divide Scanned Photos
Straighten Image
Photo Bin
Organizer
Reduce Noise

This is based on:

http://www.photoshopelementsuser.com/misc/Photoshop_compared.pdf

Another thing is that I run Photoshop plugins on Photoshop Elements.
There may be some that won't run, but the photography based ones work
just fine. Photoshop Elements is not better or worse, it is different.
It is intended to be a different product entirely that focuses on
digital photography and basically an RGB workflow. For this it is
better than Photoshop. Photoshop Elements has an easier structure than
Photoshop and is more friendly to new users because there are fewer
tools on the surface, but translating that to somehow inferior is
incorrect. The guts of the program are the same as Photoshop, and the
user can enhance the interface along with their growth as a user.

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>
> Photoshop Elements is ideal for photographers. Photoshop CS is more for
> printers, illustrators, artists and designers. Photoshop Elements has
> some things for photographers that Photoshop CS lacks. Here are some
> things that Photoshop Elements has that Photoshop CS doesn't have:
>
> Spot Healing Brush
> Impressionist Brush
> Selection Brush
> Cookie Cutter
> Red Eye Removal
> Auto Smart Fix
> Auto Color Corrections
> Adjust Smart Fix
> Remove Color Cast
> Quick Fix Mode
> Process Multiple Files
> Divide Scanned Photos
> Straighten Image
> Photo Bin
> Organizer
> Reduce Noise
>

I agree that Elements (I use 5) is an excellent program but it doesn't
have the ability to limit the range of tones that are adjusted by the
shadows/highlights command. Nor does it have lab colour, which I like to use
for some monochromes. It's extraction filter (magic extractor) is better
than the one in CS2. CS2 has the spot healing brush and the match colour
command has a neutralize button that allows me to remove colour casts
easily.

I suspect that in time Elements will get the odd bits I like in CS2 and I'll
stop looking at CS3 - after all I can buy about 5 Elements for 1 CS.

I've just remembered - no curves in Elements, which I use for selective
contrast adjustment.

As I sit here fiddling with pictures on dark autumn nights it's more
foresight when I press the shutter button I need - not a better bit of
software.

John
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Well as you can see there are a number of opinions. So let me add mine.

I have Elements 6.0 and that is what I am now using. It has been the
best choice for me and my needs. My needs are not likely the same as yours
nor the same as many others who have responded.

I suggest that Elements 6.0 can be overwhelming for someone who has not
worked with this kind of program before. It is not really too bad, but
depending on your needs you may find a program that may work better for you
at a cheaper (maybe free) price.

Tell us a little more about yourself, your experience in photography,
editing and what you hope to do. What equipment do you have now and what
kind of photographs do you take. What editing have you done or think you
will want to do.



"Tea Sunrise" <bernardmac RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Do you recommend elements 6.0 for a novice photographer. I may or
> may not aspire to start using Photoshop in the future. Not sure yet.
>
> And do you recommend the video editing program that is sometimes
> bundled with it? Is it better than Windows Movie maker? Thanks for
> answering.
>

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Tea Sunrise wrote:
> Do you recommend elements 6.0 for a novice photographer. I may or
> may not aspire to start using Photoshop in the future. Not sure yet.
>
> And do you recommend the video editing program that is sometimes
> bundled with it? Is it better than Windows Movie maker? Thanks for
> answering.
>
I know nothing about the video editor, but I do use an earlies verion of
PSE, and it does an excellent job with photo editing, and a so-so job of
photo organization. Most of what you learn about the editing process
would easily transfer to the PS CS version, even some of the plug-ins.
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Eatmorepies wrote:

>
> I've just remembered - no curves in Elements,...

But one of the enhancements touted for v5 was the inclusion of...
curves! A rather limited and not very usable implementation as I
understand it, I don't know if v6 improves on this. In case you or
others are not aware of it, let me mention the excellent freeware
plug-in SmartCurve which I'm using with v4 -
http://free.pages.at/easyfilter/curves.html


> As I sit here fiddling with pictures on dark autumn nights it's more
> foresight when I press the shutter button I need - not a better bit
> of software.

What's your preferred location for the foresight button?

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ray <ray.DeleteThis@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>> Do you recommend elements 6.0 for a novice photographer. I may or
>> may not aspire to start using Photoshop in the future. Not sure yet.
>
> FWIW - I use ufraw and GIMP.

Do you save your RAW files in native format, or as Adobe DNG?
I'm wondering if DNG is more related to ACR (adobe camera raw) etc.
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HEMI-Powered wrote:



>
> Right now, I am with you wrt Vista. However, should I go through
> with my "threat" to get a state-of-the-art hot box built next
> spring, there really isn't any other O/S that can adequately
> handle multi-core AMD chips nor a memory address space beyond 4
> gig, and I'd be looking at 2X-3X. So, being that I do not beta
> test anything with my Visa card and I have bigger fish to fry
> until next year, I can let Vista go through at least its first
> SP, see where AMD and the better motherboard people, like Asus
> are, what the best ATI video card under that required for 3-D
> gaming, and go for it.

If you're looking at ATI video cards you might look at this:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=897&num=1

They tested the latest and greatest Vista drivers vs. the latest Linux
drivers for the ATI Radeon HD 2900XT 512MB card and the Linux
outperformed Vista on Enemy Territory:Quake wars.

I'm looking at building a new box and seriously thinking of Linux only
now that the hardware support is starting to catch up.I can always run
XP in a virtual machine for the few things I need Windows for.

Dave


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On Oct 31, 9:45 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Well as you can see there are a number of opinions. So let me add mine.
>
> I have Elements 6.0 and that is what I am now using. It has been the
> best choice for me and my needs. My needs are not likely the same as yours
> nor the same as many others who have responded.
>
> I suggest that Elements 6.0 can be overwhelming for someone who has not
> worked with this kind of program before. It is not really too bad, but
> depending on your needs you may find a program that may work better for you
> at a cheaper (maybe free) price.
>
> Tell us a little more about yourself, your experience in photography,
> editing and what you hope to do. What equipment do you have now and what
> kind of photographs do you take. What editing have you done or think you
> will want to do.
>
> "Tea Sunrise" <bernard... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1193858038.650511.139020@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Do you recommend elements 6.0 for a novice photographer. I may or
> > may not aspire to start using Photoshop in the future. Not sure yet.
>
> > And do you recommend the video editing program that is sometimes
> > bundled with it? Is it better than Windows Movie maker? Thanks for
> > answering.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia 's Muire duit

Thanks Joseph for replying. And thanks everyone else for their
input. I never knew there could be a heated debate among photo
editing software. Quite interesting that the Nazis somehow pried
their way into this thread, but whatever..it's all fascinating to
me.

But to answer your question, I'm a very novice photographer. I just
purchased a ZLR camera and am experimenting with it. Taking lots of
pictures in many situations. Learning about photography a lot
recently. I've always borrowed cameras and edited pictures using
Picasa or Irfanview to make them look better, but want to expand my
photo editing capabilities. I don't think I'll be a pro, but it
might be a larger hobby in the future, including the editing part.

I've tried GIMP and don't really like the interface, and wanted
everyone's opinion on Photoshop Elements. PSP which I assume is Paint
Shop Pro could also be a consideration. It was just Adobe's Elements
was what I was curious about. thanks for your replies.
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:05:18 -0000, Tea Sunrise <bernardmac.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Oct 31, 9:45 pm, "Joseph Meehan" <sligoNoSPAM....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>> Well as you can see there are a number of opinions. So let me add mine.
>>
>> I have Elements 6.0 and that is what I am now using. It has been the
>> best choice for me and my needs. My needs are not likely the same as yours
>> nor the same as many others who have responded.
>>
>> I suggest that Elements 6.0 can be overwhelming for someone who has not
>> worked with this kind of program before. It is not really too bad, but
>> depending on your needs you may find a program that may work better for you
>> at a cheaper (maybe free) price.
>>
>> Tell us a little more about yourself, your experience in photography,
>> editing and what you hope to do. What equipment do you have now and what
>> kind of photographs do you take. What editing have you done or think you
>> will want to do.
>>
>> "Tea Sunrise" <bernard....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1193858038.650511.139020@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Do you recommend elements 6.0 for a novice photographer. I may or
>> > may not aspire to start using Photoshop in the future. Not sure yet.
>>
>> > And do you recommend the video editing program that is sometimes
>> > bundled with it? Is it better than Windows Movie maker? Thanks for
>> > answering.
>>
>> --
>> Joseph Meehan
>>
>> Dia 's Muire duit
>
>Thanks Joseph for replying. And thanks everyone else for their
>input. I never knew there could be a heated debate among photo
>editing software. Quite interesting that the Nazis somehow pried
>their way into this thread, but whatever..it's all fascinating to
>me.
>
>But to answer your question, I'm a very novice photographer. I just
>purchased a ZLR camera and am experimenting with it. Taking lots of
>pictures in many situations. Learning about photography a lot
>recently. I've always borrowed cameras and edited pictures using
>Picasa or Irfanview to make them look better, but want to expand my
>photo editing capabilities. I don't think I'll be a pro, but it
>might be a larger hobby in the future, including the editing part.
>
>I've tried GIMP and don't really like the interface, and wanted
>everyone's opinion on Photoshop Elements. PSP which I assume is Paint
>Shop Pro could also be a consideration. It was just Adobe's Elements
>was what I was curious about. thanks for your replies.
>

Tea,

Let me chime in and say that I also used freeware such as Irfanview,
Xnview and Photofiltre to adjust my photos.

Eventually, I picked up PhotoShop Elements 5 on E-bay (an OEM copy for
$50). At the outset, it looks pretty intimidating, but you can
quickly pick up the basics and with a little reading and research, you
can rapidly expand your knowledge of the software.

I now use it almost exclusively and would highly recommend it to
anyone who wants to "tweak" their photos.

Bill
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Dave added these comments in the current discussion du jour ...

> HEMI-Powered wrote:
>>
>> Right now, I am with you wrt Vista. However, should I go
>> through with my "threat" to get a state-of-the-art hot box
>> built next spring, there really isn't any other O/S that can
>> adequately handle multi-core AMD chips nor a memory address
>> space beyond 4 gig, and I'd be looking at 2X-3X. So, being
>> that I do not beta test anything with my Visa card and I have
>> bigger fish to fry until next year, I can let Vista go
>> through at least its first SP, see where AMD and the better
>> motherboard people, like Asus are, what the best ATI video
>> card under that required for 3-D gaming, and go for it.
>
> If you're looking at ATI video cards you might look at this:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=897&num=1

> They tested the latest and greatest Vista drivers vs. the
> latest Linux drivers for the ATI Radeon HD 2900XT 512MB card
> and the Linux outperformed Vista on Enemy Territory:Quake
> wars.

Thanks. I think I will be waiting until at least next spring,
primarily to let AMD CPU prices to ease and to let my good
friends at MS get an SP out for Vista, but I will certainly buy
another ATI, most likely the highest performance one they have
that does NOT have HW 3-D as I do not do 3-D rendering nor am I a
gamer that needs that.

> I'm looking at building a new box and seriously thinking of
> Linux only now that the hardware support is starting to catch
> up.I can always run XP in a virtual machine for the few things
> I need Windows for.
>
I don't want to ignite yet another "is Linux ready for prime time
on the desktop yet?" debate, I'll just say that as I luke in
these many NGs where Linux is discussed, for me, it isn't an
option and probably won't be until box N+2 in 3 years or more.
I've got way too many legacy apps that I've investigated a few
places that are suspect and some legacy HW ditto. I'm not saying
these things won't work, I just cannot verify they will and
jumping ship on an O/S that may not be state-of-the-art but at
least works (usually!) isn't in the cards for me right now. I
view my PC as a tool to do useful work and my other activities
don't allow me the luxury of attempting to get an all-new,
totally unfamiliar O/S to work for me. Again, I'm not saying that
it won't, just that I don't know.

Thanks for the info and link.

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