Photoshop blur tool Vs expensive lenses

"David J Taylor" <david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
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> I find it difficult to raise enthusiasm for reading the rest of Douglas's
> post when it starts with (a) a slagging off (b) based on the inability to
> use a tool correctly (c) due to lack of knowledge or experience. But am
> glad that a discussion ensued.
>
> I'm from a slide-photography background - get it right in the camera - and
> I rarely do post-processing, so my preference would normally be for a lens
> blur over a software one. But I can appreciate that selective software
> blur could be useful at times.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
'twould appear you picked up on this thread halfway down after my pet troll
tried to bite the keyboard (again). Had you started at the top, you'd have
realized I attempted to keep it civil.

Douglas
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"Douglas" <just.RemoveThis@the.group> wrote in message
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> "David J Taylor" <david-taylor.RemoveThis@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
> wrote in message news:v584j.55902$c_1.50149@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>> I find it difficult to raise enthusiasm for reading the rest of Douglas's
>> post when it starts with (a) a slagging off (b) based on the inability to
>> use a tool correctly (c) due to lack of knowledge or experience. But am
>> glad that a discussion ensued.
>>
>> I'm from a slide-photography background - get it right in the camera -
>> and I rarely do post-processing, so my preference would normally be for a
>> lens blur over a software one. But I can appreciate that selective
>> software blur could be useful at times.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
> 'twould appear you picked up on this thread halfway down after my pet
> troll tried to bite the keyboard (again). Had you started at the top,
> you'd have realized I attempted to keep it civil.
>
> Douglas
>

Then why put this in at all?

" I have no "bent" on bashing up DSLR owners or putting down P&S owners.
Just in a balanced and informed discussion which hopefully will lead to
civil responses... And pigs do fly!"
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"David J Taylor" <david-taylor.DeleteThis@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk>
wrote in message news:1F84j.55909$c_1.37560@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Douglas wrote:
>> "David J Taylor"
>> <david-taylor.DeleteThis@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote in
>> message news:Hz74j.55900$c_1.20663@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> Douglas wrote:
>>>> This stupid newsreader doesn't let me set a follow up to group!
>>>> Bloody Microsoft!!!
>>>
>>> Yes, you newsreader (Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138) does.
>>> Learn how to use it! Look at the third line of the compose message
>>> header! "Follow-up to".
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>> Am I missing something here? the 3rd line is Cc: as in send a carbon
>> copy to:
>> I guess It's RTFM time !
>>
>> Douglas
>
> I'm talking about the NNTP part of the program - the newsreader. The
> three lines are:
>
> News Server:
> Newsgroups:
> Followup-To:
>
> It sounds as if you may be accessing the newgroups through e-mail. Why
> not access them directly?
>
> Cheers,
> David

Indeed!
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David J Taylor wrote:
> Douglas wrote:
>>> Yes, you newsreader (Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138) does.
>>> Learn how to use it! Look at the third line of the compose message
>>> header! "Follow-up to".
>>>
>> Am I missing something here? the 3rd line is Cc: as in send a carbon
>> copy to:
>> I guess It's RTFM time !

View -> All Headers

jue
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On Dec 1, 12:01 pm, TH O <t....DeleteThis@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> Let's see a 40D work under water!
>
> There are underwater SLR housings available for just about every newer
> SLR available, including the 40D. Here's one:
>
> http://www.ikelite.com/web_two/can_40d.html

That thing looks so cool I may get one for my 40D just to use on land!
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Douglas wrote:
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> 'twould appear you picked up on this thread halfway down after my pet
> troll tried to bite the keyboard (again). Had you started at the top,
> you'd have realized I attempted to keep it civil.
>
> Douglas

Quite possibly, Douglas. No offence intended!

Cheers,
David
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you have allot of dead links on your website, I thought you might like to
know... kk


"Douglas" <just RemoveThis @the.group> wrote in message
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> This stupid newsreader doesn't let me set a follow up to group! Bloody
> Microsoft!!!
>
> No doubt about it... Purists will fall in love with a F/1.0 lens that
> costs as much as a small car. They often cite background blur (Bokur) and
> sharpness as the reason. I might state up front that I own such a lens and
> love it!!
>
> My opinion has always been that a $500 P&S camera and Photoshop can often
> out perform a DSLR camera/lens combination costing 20 times as much...
> *IF* you know when to use a plastic wondercam and when not to!
>
> I put together a quick and dirty description of how to achieve this "
> Bokur effect" in Photoshop (CS3) from a P&S camera which has a very deep
> depth of field for the same field of view as a FF sensor camera.
> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/Blur.htm
>
> Disclaimer:
> I'm an owner of DSLRs and far too many expensive lenses.
> I use them professionally but I also use an FZ50 Panasonic P&S and an
> Olympus E330 (underwater version) Professionally when the conditions suit
> these camera better. Let's see a 40D work under water!
>
> I am a passionate photographer. For me the tools I have are what I work
> with. I have no "bent" on bashing up DSLR owners or putting down P&S
> owners. Just in a balanced and informed discussion which hopefully will
> lead to civil responses... And pigs do fly!
>
> Enjoy,
> Douglas
>
 >> Stay informed about: Photoshop blur tool Vs expensive lenses 

If you are using your camera's professionally, they surely you would
understand how much post production time costs?

BTW, although it is possible to mimic DOF in PS, your example doesn't look
natural as it's too uniform.



"Douglas" <just.DeleteThis@the.group> wrote in message
news:fiq5s0$45q$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> This stupid newsreader doesn't let me set a follow up to group! Bloody
> Microsoft!!!
>
> No doubt about it... Purists will fall in love with a F/1.0 lens that
> costs as much as a small car. They often cite background blur (Bokur) and
> sharpness as the reason. I might state up front that I own such a lens and
> love it!!
>
> My opinion has always been that a $500 P&S camera and Photoshop can often
> out perform a DSLR camera/lens combination costing 20 times as much...
> *IF* you know when to use a plastic wondercam and when not to!
>
> I put together a quick and dirty description of how to achieve this "
> Bokur effect" in Photoshop (CS3) from a P&S camera which has a very deep
> depth of field for the same field of view as a FF sensor camera.
> http://www.douglasjames.com.au/Blur.htm
>
> Disclaimer:
> I'm an owner of DSLRs and far too many expensive lenses.
> I use them professionally but I also use an FZ50 Panasonic P&S and an
> Olympus E330 (underwater version) Professionally when the conditions suit
> these camera better. Let's see a 40D work under water!
>
> I am a passionate photographer. For me the tools I have are what I work
> with. I have no "bent" on bashing up DSLR owners or putting down P&S
> owners. Just in a balanced and informed discussion which hopefully will
> lead to civil responses... And pigs do fly!
>
> Enjoy,
> Douglas
>
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Annika1980 wrote:

> On Dec 1, 12:01 pm, TH O <t....TakeThisOut@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
>> Let's see a 40D work under water!
>>
>> There are underwater SLR housings available for just about every
>> newer SLR available, including the 40D. Here's one:
>>
>> http://www.ikelite.com/web_two/can_40d.html
>
> That thing looks so cool I may get one for my 40D just to use on
> land!
I always like the way they word these ads - You can use the underwater
housing UP to 200 feet. I suppose you can use it in the water as
well


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"Jürgen Exner" <jurgenex.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> David J Taylor wrote:
>> Douglas wrote:
>>>> Yes, you newsreader (Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138) does.
>>>> Learn how to use it! Look at the third line of the compose message
>>>> header! "Follow-up to".
>>>>
>>> Am I missing something here? the 3rd line is Cc: as in send a carbon
>>> copy to:
>>> I guess It's RTFM time !
>
> View -> All Headers
>
> jue
>
Thank you Jurgen.
It's a somewhat confussing description but when I realized it should be
"edit" headers, It falls into place!

Douglas
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On Dec 2, 7:38 am, Noons <wizofo....RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On Dec 2, 2:49 am, Annika1980 <annika1....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > to process it. The pic I'm working on will be a tough one requiring
> > extensive processing.
>
> don't want to burst the surprise bubble, but:
> why?

I'm going for something like this:
http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/89779168/original
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On Dec 2, 12:38 pm, Annika1980 <annika1....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
> On Dec 2, 7:38 am, Noons <wizofo....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 2, 2:49 am, Annika1980 <annika1....TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > to process it. The pic I'm working on will be a tough one requiring
> > > extensive processing.
>
> > don't want to burst the surprise bubble, but:
> > why?
>
> I'm going for something like this:http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/89779168/original

Do you know about
http://www.heliconsoft.com/heliconfocus.html
?
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