 |
|
|
|
Next: wanna see Aliens on Earth
|
| Author |
Message |
External
Since: Jun 09, 2007
Posts: 1
|
(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:16 am
Post subject: Which PC for maximum reliability?
Archived from groups: rec>photo>digital (more info?)
|
|
|
|
| I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
is the solution.
|
>> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 | |
External
Since: Jun 09, 2007
Posts: 2
|
(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:16 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Since money is not the most limiting factor, I suggest you consider
the following NETWORK:
1) a high-end work station - lots of RAM, with RAID level 1 hard
drives for the OS and raid 5 for the local data disk array - for
photoshop, etc, and as a backup for #2
2) a mid-level backup work station - lots of RAM, regular hard drives
(for office billing, calendaring appts, etc), but also as a backup for
#1 should it fail.
3) a separate network storage device (NAS). This should have RAID 5 as
well, and be used to
a) backup up every thing on both machines
b) serve as archive storage for all the data out of use and over 90
days old.
4) Configure all machines to accept OS updates ONLY manually - NOT
auto updates. Accept Anti Virus updates daily.
5) a reliable person to set up your NETWORK, FIREWALL, BACKUPS, and
INITIAL SOFTWARE INSTALLS, and to do monthly security updates,
software patches, new installs, etc.and to assure your virus checking
stays current. They should also set you up with a UPS on EVERY
machine.
6) a firm rule that NEITHER of these machines is EVER used for web
browsing.
7) another firm rule that you ONLY open email from known sources that
has been through a good, current virus checker.
Why?
The RAID arrays assure that hard drive failures don't take you down.
The controlled updates assure that patches don't cause problems
the email rules and virus control keep your system from getting dirty.
On 09 Jun 2007 05:16:34 GMT, Dogbert <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
>caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
>microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
>willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
>is the solution. |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Feb 26, 2007
Posts: 4
|
(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:55 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
"Dogbert" <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
KL-dnf70vuMv-ffb4p2dnAA DeleteThis @giganews.com...
>
>
>
> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
> is the solution.
Do not buy a machine off the shelf. They are designed for the average user -
and price is important.
Go to a professional service : they will assemble a machine according to
your needs, and they will offer a maintenance service. To find the adequate
professional, ask other users in your town. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jun 05, 2007
Posts: 4
|
(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:14 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Daniel Masse wrote:
>
> "Dogbert" <nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> KL-dnf70vuMv-ffb4p2dnAA RemoveThis @giganews.com...
>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
>> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
>> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
>> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
>> is the solution.
>
>
> Do not buy a machine off the shelf. They are designed for the average
> user - and price is important.
>
> Go to a professional service : they will assemble a machine according to
> your needs, and they will offer a maintenance service. To find the
> adequate professional, ask other users in your town.
I agree with the above -- make sure it is an INTEL motherboard they
build around. The are the MOST reliable. I've built several for myself &
friends over the years & they are ROCK solid!. My last previous PC
(before my most recent one of last month) lasted for 5 years with not a
single problem & it was on 24 hours a day!.
Joe >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Aug 02, 2005
Posts: 353
|
(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:14 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
In article <KL-dnf70vuMv-ffb4p2dnAA.DeleteThis@giganews.com>,
Dogbert <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
> is the solution.
Hands down, a MacPro. There's a reason why survey after survey, both the
Mac hardware, Apple's customer service, and the Mac OS X operating
system continue to set the gold standard in usability and reliability.
If I were you, just to hedge your bet, I will buy two MacPro's, one
display, one or two keyboards, and a pair of large external firewire or
USB 2 hard drives. Share the hard drives between the Macs. Use one hard
drive to back up the data on the other hard drive through automated
software such as SuperDuper and get Photoshop CS 3 and you are set. You
can easily do that with $10,000. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Dec 07, 2006
Posts: 820
|
(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:29 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:16:34 +0000, Dogbert wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
> is the solution.
Then you'd be best served by going Linux, BSD or MAC. Almost all MS PC's
now come with vista and it is seriously flawed. Suggest you look at DELL
computers offered with Ubuntu Linux. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jun 09, 2007
Posts: 1
|
(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:37 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
On 09 Jun 2007 05:16:34 GMT, Dogbert <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
>caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
>microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
>willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
>is the solution.
That isn't enough money unless you want to do the job of TRYing to make it
reliable yourself. (good luck) Since you came on here and asked the question in
the first place it is pretty safe to assume that you aren't capable of doing
that.
When companies have mission critical computing requirements they PAY for 24\7
computer services. They don't buy their own equipment. They pay a company to
maintain, backup, upgrade, and other wise meet their computing requirements.
Multiply that number by 8 or more and try again. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Oct 25, 2005
Posts: 548
|
(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:16 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
In article <KL-dnf70vuMv-ffb4p2dnAA RemoveThis @giganews.com>, Dogbert
<nospam RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
> is the solution.
Just one word:
Macintosh >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Apr 15, 2007
Posts: 228
|
(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:56 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Dogbert wrote:
> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
> is the solution.
Any software and hardware can and eventually will fail in one way or the
other. Therefore there is no "I need _MY_ PC available always". The only
viable approach is to have backup systems.
Depending on your specific needs this could be a small network with local
data backup and a contract with a company, which will replace the PC within
24 hours of malfunction. Or on the other end you got hot data backup in
several different geographic/global areas (in case a natural desaster kills
all data centers in a specific area or a major network cable to a specific
region breaks) and a distributed software system with hot standby, where
another PC mimics whatever happens on the main PC and can take over
immediately if PC 1 goes the way of the dodo bird.
I would consult a professional company because designing and maintaining
such a system is way beyond the skills of the typical PC amateur.
jue >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Aug 25, 2005
Posts: 1476
|
(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:56 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Jürgen Exner wrote:
> Dogbert wrote:
>> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
>> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
>> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
>> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
>> is the solution.
>
> Any software and hardware can and eventually will fail in one way or the
> other. Therefore there is no "I need _MY_ PC available always". The only
> viable approach is to have backup systems.
Quite true.
>
> Depending on your specific needs this could be a small network with local
> data backup and a contract with a company, which will replace the PC within
> 24 hours of malfunction. Or on the other end you got hot data backup in
> several different geographic/global areas (in case a natural desaster kills
> all data centers in a specific area or a major network cable to a specific
> region breaks) and a distributed software system with hot standby, where
> another PC mimics whatever happens on the main PC and can take over
> immediately if PC 1 goes the way of the dodo bird.
>
> I would consult a professional company because designing and maintaining
> such a system is way beyond the skills of the typical PC amateur.
Exactly.
That's why going with Macintosh makes sense; you don't need outside
help, consultants or an IT department.
--
John McWilliams >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jan 19, 2007
Posts: 48
|
(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:04 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
The only way to have a reliable machine is to have a knowledgeable user.
Only the naive, drooling idiots or major shareholders in Apple can aver that
there is the slightest difference in use of a Mac or Windows without
exposing who and what they are.
Photoshop is Photoshop and works identically with either Apple or Windows
platforms.
Color management is not any better on either platform with, in fact, far
more hardware availiable for the Windows platform. There is far more
photographic software, including plugins, that work only under Windows. That
is a fact of life because Windows has at least 95% of the computer market.
Windows is not better than Apple and Apple is no better than Windows. There
is no rational reason for paying a premium to buy into the exceedingly
limited Apple monopoly.
Its your money.
If you buy an Apple Mactel desktop you are paying a premium, often double,
for what is the most part bottom of the barrel or middling level Intel
hardware. I encourage anyone to do the analysis.
Reality Check: $1000 for a Mac mini with an obsolete CPU, lousy video
system, inadequate memory, no keyboard or mouse and a substandard warranty.
At the moment I cannot think of any mainstream sub $1000 notebook that is
not a wiser purchase.
No computer, regardless of who makes it, can save you from yourself.
Regardless of who makes it electronic devices can fail. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Oct 25, 2005
Posts: 548
|
(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:33 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
In article <t4Bai.11837$4Y.4580@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net>, babaloo
<fac187.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The only way to have a reliable machine is to have a knowledgeable user.
> Only the naive, drooling idiots or major shareholders in Apple can aver that
> there is the slightest difference in use of a Mac or Windows without
> exposing who and what they are.
Blah...blah..blah...<bullshit snipped>
A clue is a terrible thing to waste. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Aug 22, 2005
Posts: 221
|
(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:56 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
In article <1c7l6358e89afss2dlbgggagq5cdnlu4g8 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
no.spam DeleteThis @junk.mail.net writes
>On 09 Jun 2007 05:16:34 GMT, Dogbert <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>>I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
>>caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
>>microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
>>willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
>>is the solution.
>
>That isn't enough money unless you want to do the job of TRYing to make it
>reliable yourself. (good luck) Since you came on here and asked the question in
>the first place it is pretty safe to assume that you aren't capable of doing
>that.
>
>When companies have mission critical computing requirements they PAY for 24\7
>computer services. They don't buy their own equipment. They pay a company to
>maintain, backup, upgrade, and other wise meet their computing requirements.
>Multiply that number by 8 or more and try again.
We bought the equipment and pay our own staff to provide front line
support along with upgrades, backup and meeting new requirements, the
hardware swap-out is on next day support from the supplier. Do you
REALLY think that a company with mission critical computing is going to
wait for some outside support to turn up, even if it is 24/7?
--
Ian G8ILZ
There are always two people in every picture: the photographer and the viewer.
~Ansel Adams >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Jun 07, 2006
Posts: 27
|
(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:56 am
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Dogbert wrote:
> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
> is the solution.
>
Hmmm,
Have one custom made.
I am using a 2xdual core Pentium based server with RAID SCSI storage.
Has dual monitor set up, redundant power supply on UPS, etc.
Pretty fail safe box. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
External
Since: Oct 09, 2006
Posts: 323
|
(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Which PC for maximum reliability? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
|
|
|
Dogbert wrote:
> I have a busy photo studio, and absolutely cannot put up with delays
> caused by a broken photo editing PC (broken hardware or screwed up
> microsoft windows). I need my PC to be available, always. I am
> willing to spend well over $10,000 if throwing money at the problem
> is the solution.
A lot of good advice here. Personally, I'd second the vote for a
Mac-based studio for reliability, IF it suits your software needs (ie.
assuming you're using Photoshop or something else that's available for
MacOS).
If your software requirements dictate Windows, look at getting a machine
that's designed for use as a server - they're typically built to a much
higher standard (I have an old Dell PowerEdge server that's chugging
along happily, and I've seen old IBM Model 90 486 and Pentium servers
run for years while completely clogged with dust, and even get boarded
up inside a wall).
And of course, the best thing you can do for yourself is introduce a lot
of redundancy. Keep all your important files (photos) on an external
drive, NAS, or separate server. Then if your workstation dies, you can
drop in the spare machine you've also bought, and continue working on
those files. And of course, keep regular backups.
As for the internet thing... buy a separate cheapie box to sit on a
spare desk if someone's going to need internet/email access. Crank up
the software firewall on the production machine(s), and/or implement
some heavy filtering on the hardware router/firewall to block all
internet access from those machines... or better yet, just keep the
production stations and server off the internet-connected network
entirely. Give them their own separate physical network. >> Stay informed about: Which PC for maximum reliability? |
|
| Back to top |
|
| |
|
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Profile
Private Messages
Log in
