How to get PAN newsreader to resize photos to fit in the b..

Matt Ion <soundy106.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>There should never be photos embedded in usenet posts.

There are roughly 1800 plus some odd number of
newsgroups with "binaries" in the name.

>Usenet should be plain text, all the time. Anything
>else will break dozens of other newsreaders, or simply
>appear as pages and pages of gibberish.

Even the only half decent newsreaders have been
able to deal with images for at least 10 years or so
now.

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"David J Taylor" <david-taylor.DeleteThis@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>> Matt Ion <soundy106.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There should never be photos embedded in usenet posts.
>>
>> There are roughly 1800 plus some odd number of
>> newsgroups with "binaries" in the name.
>
>Which is what is killing Usenet support. Keep Usenet for text, and put
>binaries on FTP or some other service designed to support it.

Uh, David... you're several years late. Probably 90%
of those 1800+ binary groups have been in existence for
over a decade.

Good grief, we had people arguing about "name space
pollution" when there were fewer that 200 newsgroups! I
have access to over 100,000 now.

Binaries on Usenet News has been what it is for a *long*
time, and it *is* designed to support it. And while it
initially was a serious load on the infrastructure, that
is hardly true to today. Spam email and pornography
external to Usenet are both significantly a larger share
of the Internet traffic.

>Cross-posting trimmed.

What? You rudely cut off other readers, and retained
only the newsgroup it is *least* appropriate for!

Cross-posting restored.

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"David J Taylor" <david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>[]
>> Uh, David... you're several years late. Probably 90%
>> of those 1800+ binary groups have been in existence for
>> over a decade.
>>
>> Good grief, we had people arguing about "name space
>> pollution" when there were fewer that 200 newsgroups! I
>> have access to over 100,000 now.
>>
>> Binaries on Usenet News has been what it is for a *long*
>> time, and it *is* designed to support it. And while it
>> initially was a serious load on the infrastructure, that
>> is hardly true to today. Spam email and pornography
>> external to Usenet are both significantly a larger share
>> of the Internet traffic.
>
>Within my own ISP at least, there is a good text-only newsgroup service.
>It's quite clear that providing a binary service, which they also do,
>requires resources which are completely out of proportion with those
>required for the text service. So perhaps it's a local issue, but my own

A number of major Usenet providers do sell non-binary
accounts.

Others do things like refuse to pass articles with
embedded HTML.

>view is that if my ISP were to drop binaries, to allow a continued and
>perhaps even improved text news service, I would be quite happy. After
>all, there are other providers of binary news for those who wish it.

Exactly. I agree with that 100%. What I disagree with
is the idea that a news reader need not handle binaries,
or claims that any part of the transport is not designed
to handle it.

>As this is off-topic here, I'll leave it at that.

Perhaps, but it's useful discussion for at least two of
the groups it is posted to (including rec.photo.digital
where you and I are reading it). But again, you have
very rudely cut off some readers, so once again I have
restored the other two groups to which this is
cross-posted.

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"David J Taylor" <david-taylor.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.not-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote:
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>> "David J Taylor"
>[]
>>> view is that if my ISP were to drop binaries, to allow a continued
>>> and perhaps even improved text news service, I would be quite happy.
>>> After all, there are other providers of binary news for those who
>>> wish it.
>>
>> Exactly. I agree with that 100%. What I disagree with
>> is the idea that a news reader need not handle binaries,
>> or claims that any part of the transport is not designed
>> to handle it.
>
>Fine, I did not intend to make such claims.

You *did* suggest that Usenet was not designed to
transport binaries, and that it was harmful.

>>> As this is off-topic here, I'll leave it at that.
>>
>> Perhaps, but it's useful discussion for at least two of
>> the groups it is posted to (including rec.photo.digital
>> where you and I are reading it). But again, you have
>> very rudely cut off some readers, so once again I have
>> restored the other two groups to which this is
>> cross-posted.
>
>I try to post only to groups where I will read the posts.

Where *you* read the post is of little concern. There
may be others who are reading the thread who may or may
not be reading the same newsgroups that you do. They
are potentially just as interested in what gets posted.

The point is that once a thread has been started in a
set number of newsgroups *you* have no way to know who
is reading it where. It is just plain *rude* to cut off
others just because you aren't reading the other
newsgroups.

>I'm not
>subscribed to those other groups, and would not see any responses posted
>there.

That is not true. As long as they don't do the same
rude thing that you've done, we will *all* see *all* of
the responses, regardless of which newsgroup the poster
is reading. Allowing that to happen efficiently is the
very reason that the cross-posting mechanism exists. The
opposite is when people multi-post the same article into
different newsgroups; and when done that way it is not
efficient and *that* is when you won't see replies made
in other newsgroups.

>The great majority of cross-posted stuff here in rec.photo.digital
>either does not need the cross-posts or, sadly, is not relevant to the
>group. Therefore I will not willingly contribute to cross-posting.

Don't be *absurd*. What you want to avoid is starting
threads that are posted to inappropriate newsgroups.

Once a thread is started, assuming it actually is a
valid topic for discussion at all, it is generally rude
to remove any of the groups unless it has become wildly
invalid and disruptive for a particular group. (In this
case that is not a correct claim, so removing cross-posts
is not valid.)

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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:24:18 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>FJ Chaney wrote:
>> Is there any way to get the Windows PAN newsreader freeware to resize
>> photos to fit the viewing window in the body pane without having to scroll
>> all the time?
>>
>> Pan is one of the best freewre newsreaders out there - but for this one
>> flaw.
>>
>> Is there a setting or plugin that will allow PAN to view the photo in the
>> body pane fitting the size of the body pane without having to scroll all
>> the time?
>
>There should never be photos embedded in usenet posts. Usenet should be
>plain text, all the time. Anything else will break dozens of other
>newsreaders, or simply appear as pages and pages of gibberish.

You must be someone who has more than 95% of usenet filtered from your view.
Which is a popular choice of many new ISPs because it saves them tons of money
in bandwidth and storage space, they have to pay for that usenet feed to their
own servers, as well as the bandwidth to provide it. They get to charge you for
the same amount as everyone else who does provide full usenet service while
saving a fortune. If your ISP doesn't offer at least 90,000 newsgroups, you are
being highly censored while paying the for the privilege for them to do that to
you. They get by on the belief that what their end-user doesn't know or see
they'll never miss until they are told it exists. Few stay with an ISP once they
learn their ISP is doing this to them. They make their money from all the
ignorant newbies to the internet. This is the same way that AOL can censor more
than half of all the internet from their customers, their customers never
realize how much they are being censored. Usenet has been around long before the
inception of the www side of things. I think it can be considered even a larger
percentage of total bandwidth than all the rest of the internet combined. The
vast majority of usenet not only has photos embedded/attached to posts, but
hundreds of thousands of songs (the last time I looked there were over 100,000
songs posted in just one MP3 newsgroup), whole song albums, whole DVDs of
movies, the movies uploaded even before they get to your theatre, and all the
software that's ever been published for any operating system.

It's a shame when your ISP pokes your eyes out for you under the guise that
they're doing it for your own good, when in reality they're just doing it to get
more wealthy off of your ignorance.

For further information, not only are news-readers supposed to support attached
binary objects in a whole variety of encoding methods, as well as giving you the
uploading capability with the same array of choices, but they are also chosen by
how well they accomplish that task. Catch up. Someone is successfully trying to
make you live in their dark ages while exploiting your ignorance for their own
gain.
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:51:20 GMT, tommy-k <nobody RemoveThis @spamstop.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:24:18 GMT, Matt Ion <soundy106 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>FJ Chaney wrote:
>>> Is there any way to get the Windows PAN newsreader freeware to resize
>>> photos to fit the viewing window in the body pane without having to scroll
>>> all the time?
>>>
>>> Pan is one of the best freewre newsreaders out there - but for this one
>>> flaw.
>>>
>>> Is there a setting or plugin that will allow PAN to view the photo in the
>>> body pane fitting the size of the body pane without having to scroll all
>>> the time?
>>
>>There should never be photos embedded in usenet posts. Usenet should be
>>plain text, all the time. Anything else will break dozens of other
>>newsreaders, or simply appear as pages and pages of gibberish.
>
>You must be someone who has more than 95% of usenet filtered from your view.
>Which is a popular choice of many new ISPs because it saves them tons of money
>in bandwidth and storage space, they have to pay for that usenet feed to their
>own servers, as well as the bandwidth to provide it. They get to charge you for
>the same amount as everyone else who does provide full usenet service while
>saving a fortune. If your ISP doesn't offer at least 90,000 newsgroups, you are
>being highly censored while paying the for the privilege for them to do that to
>you. They get by on the belief that what their end-user doesn't know or see
>they'll never miss until they are told it exists. Few stay with an ISP once they
>learn their ISP is doing this to them. They make their money from all the
>ignorant newbies to the internet. This is the same way that AOL can censor more
>than half of all the internet from their customers, their customers never
>realize how much they are being censored. Usenet has been around long before the
>inception of the www side of things. I think it can be considered even a larger
>percentage of total bandwidth than all the rest of the internet combined. The
>vast majority of usenet not only has photos embedded/attached to posts, but
>hundreds of thousands of songs (the last time I looked there were over 100,000
>songs posted in just one MP3 newsgroup), whole song albums, whole DVDs of
>movies, the movies uploaded even before they get to your theatre, and all the
>software that's ever been published for any operating system.
>
>It's a shame when your ISP pokes your eyes out for you under the guise that
>they're doing it for your own good, when in reality they're just doing it to get
>more wealthy off of your ignorance.
>
>For further information, not only are news-readers supposed to support attached
>binary objects in a whole variety of encoding methods, as well as giving you the
>uploading capability with the same array of choices, but they are also chosen by
>how well they accomplish that task. Catch up. Someone is successfully trying to
>make you live in their dark ages while exploiting your ignorance for their own
>gain.


Does your ISP provide 90,000 groups? Mine only has about 53,667.
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 07:56:01 GMT, Charles <ckraft.DeleteThis@SPAMTRAP.west.net> wrote:

>
>Does your ISP provide 90,000 groups? Mine only has about 53,667.

55,688 on this one. I use another internet feed for the fuller count but it's
not as dependable because there's so much traffic on it.

Okay, I take that back, there's only 89,182 groups on the other one. But the one
I'm presently posting through has their own in-house usenet server which more
than makes up the difference. You can create your own newsgroups any time you
like and it becomes instantly useable by all on the same feed, without the time
delay and approval methods of going through the more public usenet hierarchy.
Not unlike IRC servers where you instantly create your own chat rooms among the
thousands already in existence just by typing /join #channelname. The rest of
usenet never see them, just like IRC channels on one server aren't seen by
another server.

What I really like about the one I'm using is their web-interface access with a
full usenet boolean-logic (regex syntax) search engine. No need to download
headers in any group to find that one post out of billions. A search will tell
you what group it's already in and point you directly to that post They've
already parsed all the posts and attachments for you. Greatly speeding up
download bandwidth too because you download the original compressed file after
it's already been re-encoded and re-combined on the fly. No bandwidth lost
through the less efficient uue, yenc, or mime encoding. This also allows me to
use downloading utilities to resume downloads on the same byte right where it
got interrupted without having to download a huge attachment all over again. So
not only do you get news-reader access but www access no matter where you are in
the world or what computer you are using. A few of the worthwhile reasons that I
keep this lower newsgroup-count feed.
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy106.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There should never be photos embedded in usenet posts.
>
> There are roughly 1800 plus some odd number of
> newsgroups with "binaries" in the name.

Which is what is killing Usenet support. Keep Usenet for text, and put
binaries on FTP or some other service designed to support it.

Cross-posting trimmed.

David
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 06:33:44 +0100, FJ Chaney wrote:

> Is there any way to get the Windows PAN newsreader freeware to resize
> photos to fit the viewing window in the body pane without having to
> scroll all the time?
>
> Pan is one of the best freewre newsreaders out there - but for this one
> flaw.
>
> Is there a setting or plugin that will allow PAN to view the photo in
> the body pane fitting the size of the body pane without having to scroll
> all the time?

Why not ask in Pan User Group at
http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/pan-users/

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Joel Martin wrote:
[]
> Your stupidity and spinelessness is cutting off your own access, not
> mine.

Thanks for your most lucid and enlightening contribution.

I am, in fact, very happy with my ISP's news service provision, and would
support them 100% were they to decide that binary newsgroups were not part
of the service they provide by default. Were I to want binary access,
there are plenty of other providers who provide that service.

Cheers,
David
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
[]
> Uh, David... you're several years late. Probably 90%
> of those 1800+ binary groups have been in existence for
> over a decade.
>
> Good grief, we had people arguing about "name space
> pollution" when there were fewer that 200 newsgroups! I
> have access to over 100,000 now.
>
> Binaries on Usenet News has been what it is for a *long*
> time, and it *is* designed to support it. And while it
> initially was a serious load on the infrastructure, that
> is hardly true to today. Spam email and pornography
> external to Usenet are both significantly a larger share
> of the Internet traffic.


Within my own ISP at least, there is a good text-only newsgroup service.
It's quite clear that providing a binary service, which they also do,
requires resources which are completely out of proportion with those
required for the text service. So perhaps it's a local issue, but my own
view is that if my ISP were to drop binaries, to allow a continued and
perhaps even improved text news service, I would be quite happy. After
all, there are other providers of binary news for those who wish it.

As this is off-topic here, I'll leave it at that.

Cheers,
David
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FJ Chaney <jechaney RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:YijOi.5131$4V6.4471@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net:

> Is there any way to get the Windows PAN newsreader freeware to resize
> photos to fit the viewing window in the body pane without having to
> scroll all the time?
>
> Pan is one of the best freewre newsreaders out there - but for this
> one flaw.
>
> Is there a setting or plugin that will allow PAN to view the photo in
> the body pane fitting the size of the body pane without having to
> scroll all the time?

Do you have to view the images in the PAN pane? Could you ask PAN to open
the image with your default[1] image viewer?

<http://pan.rebelbase.com/faq/#Tips1>

If it's any consolation, other people want this too:
<http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/pan-users/2004-10/msg00039.html>
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:33:44 +0000, FJ Chaney wrote:

> Is there any way to get the Windows PAN newsreader freeware to resize
> photos to fit the viewing window in the body pane without having to scroll
> all the time?
>
> Pan is one of the best freewre newsreaders out there - but for this one
> flaw.
>
> Is there a setting or plugin that will allow PAN to view the photo in the
> body pane fitting the size of the body pane without having to scroll all
> the time?

AFAIK - PAN is not freeware. It is Open Source - using the GNU public
license.
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