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Neil Harrington

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(Msg. 46) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:45 pm
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"John Turco" <jtur.TakeThisOut@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:48645A24.D447DCAE@concentric.net...
> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>
>> Neil Harrington <not.TakeThisOut@home.today> wrote:
>
> <edited for brevity>
>
>> >5. Nikons are, by any reasonable measure or standard, simply the best.
>>
>> LOL! Insecure much, are you?
>>
>> >There are only two kinds of camera users: Nikon owners, and people who
>> >wish
>> >they were Nikon owners. That second kind often get defensive, bitter and
>> >cranky.
>>
>> You're acting very defensive about your brand.
>>
>> Why is that?
>
>
> Hello, Ray:
>
> No, the real question is: Why are >you< being so hostile? I believe it
> should be readily apparent that, Neil Harrington's above comments are
> laced with sarcasm.

Right, John, it *should* have been. Thank you.

Neil


>
>
> Cordially,
> John Turco <jtur.TakeThisOut@concentric.net>

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Chris Malcolm

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(Msg. 47) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:04 am
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David J Taylor <david-taylor.RemoveThis@blueyonder.neither-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>> David J Taylor
>> <david-taylor.RemoveThis@blueyonder.neither-this-bit.nor-this-bit.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Chris Malcolm wrote:
>>> []
>>>> Why don't you hear people in music shops asking for an instrument
>>>> with more notes?
>>
>>> You can tune and tweak many instruments to get as many notes as you
>>> want! And then there is the string section, and trombones....
>>
>> That's true, but the more you make the less you can tell the
>> difference. There's a limit to how many different notes the best human
>> ear can hear, quite apart from the restricted range of our own
>> personal ears.

> Were that the same was true with eyes! I believe that I have been able to
> see quantisation even in 24-bit displays ("16 million colours") if the
> colours are carefully chosen to be adjacent (G=50, B=51 etc.) and the
> image chosen to maximise quantisation visibility (slow changes across the
> display, "circular greyscale"). Hence my comment that "thousands of
> colours" would stop me purchasing a camera.

> The trouble is that, with using LCD displays (as opposed to CRT) you never
> know where you are with colour (it could even be 6-bits per channel, and
> goodness knows what calibration), and I also watch some digital TV
> (FreeView) and you have no idea how the bit-rate reduction there may have
> damaged the original.

It's obvious what's going to happen if you leave digitisation quality
in the hands of someone who is going to profit from underestimating
the capacity of human senses. I reluctantly accept the bland
cartoonish plasticisation of digital TV as a worthwhile trade off
which gives me in return more reliable noise-free reception, more
channels, etc..

It's a shame the purveyors of digital sound broadcasting couldn't have
rested content with CD quality, and rather disgusting that the BBC,
who used to lead the world in broadcast sound quality, have made such
a greedy pig's breakfast of digital radio "quality". The compression
artefacts annoy me even when listening to the news despite my ears
being far too old to be able to hear TV pictures or bats.

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Chris Malcolm cam.RemoveThis@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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David J Taylor

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(Msg. 48) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:57 am
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Chris Malcolm wrote:
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> It's obvious what's going to happen if you leave digitisation quality
> in the hands of someone who is going to profit from underestimating
> the capacity of human senses. I reluctantly accept the bland
> cartoonish plasticisation of digital TV as a worthwhile trade off
> which gives me in return more reliable noise-free reception, more
> channels, etc..
>
> It's a shame the purveyors of digital sound broadcasting couldn't have
> rested content with CD quality, and rather disgusting that the BBC,
> who used to lead the world in broadcast sound quality, have made such
> a greedy pig's breakfast of digital radio "quality". The compression
> artefacts annoy me even when listening to the news despite my ears
> being far too old to be able to hear TV pictures or bats.

Chris,

I still have FM analogue radio here, and it's fine for my purposes. My
radio news is restricted to BBC Radio 3. I do agree with you about the
trade-off with digital TV, although I would prefer less quantity and more
quality (both of the broadcast material and the technical transmission
aspects). Fewer, higher-quality channels.

Cheers,
David
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Dan Cline

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(Msg. 49) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:41 am
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:04:49 +0100, Jake wrote:

> Is it just me, or are there a lot of stupid posts here supporting Nikon?

Not from anyone who has a nikon coolpix broken battery door.
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savvo

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(Msg. 50) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:19 am
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On 2008-06-25, Neil Harrington <not.TakeThisOut@home.today> wrote:
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> "Charles" <charlesschuler.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:-6mdnfwMQLFH8PzVnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>
>> "Jake" <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.com> wrote in message
>> news:7bWdnWNWsJAB_PzVnZ2dnUVZ8uednZ2d@pipex.net...
>>> Is it just me, or are there a lot of stupid posts here supporting Nikon?
>>
>> Funny you should ask that. I have observed the same thing. There seem to
>> be many more Nikon zealots here than for any other camera brand.
>>
>
> 5. Nikons are, by any reasonable measure or standard, simply the best.
>

Unfortunately, the main measure around here is the one that keeps
posting uninspiring snaps that claim to come off a D3 but may just as
well be from an EOS D60 for all the claimed 'mystical' 'full size'
properties.

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savvo orig. invib. man
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Rita Berkowitz

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(Msg. 51) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:19 am
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(Msg. 52) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:24 am
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On 2008-06-24, me.TakeThisOut@mine.net <me.TakeThisOut@mine.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:04:49 +0100, in rec.photo.digital "Jake"
><me.TakeThisOut@privacy.com> wrote:
>
>>Is it just me, or are there a lot of stupid posts here supporting Nikon?
>
> Just kilfile the folks you determine to be extreme on ANY ISSUE and be done
> with it.

I heartily endorse this sentiment. Although I find scoring more useful,
I understand that most newsreaders don't offer this most excellent
facility, their developers being more concerned with the latest eye-candy
enhancements for the measekites of this world.

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