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(Msg. 16) Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:48 pm
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In article , Eric Miller
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> Okay, but if the larger sensor has pixels of the same size, will it have
> more noise?

if the pixels are the same size, the larger sensor will have more of
them, which is also beneficial.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:25 am
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In article ,
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> > The best it achieves is 8.6 EV. Even the D3, with its bigger pixels is
> > not better:
> > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3/page20.asp
> >
> > Also here the maximum is 8.6EV.
>
> scroll to the bottom where they measured 12 stops with raw.

He is writing that with RAW usually you have one more stop of headroom.
The D3 achieves up to 12, but it is also a full-frame camera, pretty
much the best performing one at the moment. Most DSLRs use smaller
sensors and have therefore less dynamic range. You claimed that "most
dslr sensors are capable of over 12 stops" which is simply not true.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:29 am
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In article , Alfred
Molon wrote:

> He is writing that with RAW usually you have one more stop of headroom.
> The D3 achieves up to 12, but it is also a full-frame camera, pretty
> much the best performing one at the moment. Most DSLRs use smaller
> sensors and have therefore less dynamic range. You claimed that "most
> dslr sensors are capable of over 12 stops" which is simply not true.

yes it is.

<http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/digital.sensor.performance.summa
ry/>
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:25 pm
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Alfred Molon wrote:

> Most DSLRs use smaller
> sensors and have therefore less dynamic range.

Bzzzt.
Sensor size *as such* has nothing to do with dynamic range.
Pixel size, however ...
Small sensors tend to have smaller pixels, that's all.

> You claimed that "most
> dslr sensors are capable of over 12 stops" which is simply not true.

http://clarkvision.com/articles/digital.sensor.performance.summary/ind...html#da
indicates that the sensors are perfectly capable of 12+ stops,
based on their full well capacity and read noise, but excluding
A/D noise (which is not really tied to the sensor, anyway).
The rest of the page makes it clear that the camera performance
is limited by
a) 12 bit A/D converters,
b) noise in A/D converters,
c) *much* less improvement for A/D converters of 14 bit than would
be assumed by the additional bits. High megaherz speeds seem
to do that, at least for now.

-Wolfgang
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