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Since: Aug 02, 2005 Posts: 3972
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:57 pm
Post subject: Re: Megapixel setting for available light. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: rec>photo>digital (more info?)
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:57:10 GMT, David J Taylor wrote:
> So having looked at the numbers, I conclude that what these cameras offer
> is an in-camera crop, decreasing both the number of pixels and the
> field-of-view proportionately. Saves cropping afterwards, and magnifies
> the image in the EVF compared to the non-cropped case. There is no
> interpolation involved as with digital zoom.
Yes, this was discussed about a year ago where the same conclusion
was generally agreed upon. There's one advantage to using the
so-called "extended optical zoom" in that the file sizes of the
camera-cropped images should be reduced in proportion to the
resolution reduction, allowing more images to be saved on each
memory card. But I wouldn't use this feature for the same "memory
is cheap" reason that is often given by most people here which is to
take pictures at the highest resolution and quality (lowest
compression). That is, you'll never know that at some future date
you might want more image to work with and regret having been so
memory-miserly. That's even more true with not using extended
optical zoom, since what's lost is not just some quality, but 100%
of the image area outside of the cropped region.
By allowing the computer to do the panning, zooming and cropping
instead of the camera, you have more leeway to get best possible
crop, and there's the possibility of serendipity providing some
welcome subject matter outside of the cropped area that the
photographer might not have been aware of at the time the picture
was taken. But if cropped by the camera, there's not even a clue of
what was missed and which might occasionally provide a nice bonus.
There doesn't even have to be a lot of additional labor involved in
cropping every image since it can be easily automated to provide
exactly the same central crop that the camera would have done. Then
if 1% or 2% of the images would provide a benefit from using the
non-cropped area, such as if in some pictures people are discovered
with accidentally cropped feet, heads, limbs, etc., the original
uncropped images would still be available to make it possible to
correct the photographer's original framing mistake. >> Stay informed about: Megapixel setting for available light. |
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Since: Sep 14, 2005 Posts: 733
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Megapixel setting for available light. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Don Stauffer in Minnesota" <stauffer RemoveThis @usfamily.net> wrote in message
news:1177335328.515505.317990@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 23, 7:31 am, "j...@wexfordpress.com" <j... RemoveThis @wexfordpress.com>
> wrote:
>> In available light situations I have been taking pictures with my
>> FujiFilm E900 set at 5 megapixels. I can go up to a maximum of 9.1
>> megapixels or down to lower values. I know that higher settings
>> generate a larger image on the card. But is there any effect, positive
>> or negative, on the available light situation? Is vulnerablitity to
>> camera shake increased, decreased or stay the same with higher pixel
>> density?
>>
>> I have years with film cameras but this is my first digital. I can set
>> shutter speed and/or aperture manually but I have been using the
>> automatic settings.
>>
>> John Culleton
>
> Higher noise can result, because in some cases when the camera
> downsamples, this tends to average the noise a bit.
>
> Same thing for camera shake. The motion blur can be more noticable at
> the higher resolution- BUT, if you downsample in an editor, you will
> get the same thing as in the camera downsampled image.
>
> So there is no advantage to shooting in the downsampled mode. You can
> always do the same thing yourself afterwords, and compare. If the
> high res shot is okay, fine. Otherwise you can downsample and use
> that.
>
Actually that seems to be opposite from what I have read elswhere, do you
have a reference?
Thanks. >> Stay informed about: Megapixel setting for available light. |
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Since: Oct 17, 2006 Posts: 22
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:09 pm
Post subject: Re: Megapixel setting for available light. [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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KenS wrote:
> Probably not - I say "probably" because I don't know this particular
> camera. But in general when you use a lower resolution setting, the
> sensor image is cropped - that is, you only use part of the sensor.
> And that part of the sensor is recording the same number of megapixels
> it would if you were at full resolution. The pixels are the same size
> in other words.
>
> So there is no advantage to this in most cameras. Better (imho) to go
> for full resolution and downsize if you need a smaller image; the
> downsizing (if done properly) will result in some improvement in
> perceived noise. There would be no effect on camea shake at all.
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> I know of no reason not to shoot at full resolution other than to
> aqueeze more shots on a card. If that is not a concern then shoot at
> full res and downsize in post.
>
> Ken
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> On Apr 23, 7:31 am, "j...@wexfordpress.com" <j....RemoveThis@wexfordpress.com>
> wrote:
>> In available light situations I have been taking pictures with my
>> FujiFilm E900 set at 5 megapixels. I can go up to a maximum of 9.1
>> megapixels or down to lower values. I know that higher settings
>> generate a larger image on the card. But is there any effect, positive
>> or negative, on the available light situation? Is vulnerablitity to
>> camera shake increased, decreased or stay the same with higher pixel
>> density?
>>
>> I have years with film cameras but this is my first digital. I can set
>> shutter speed and/or aperture manually but I have been using the
>> automatic settings.
>>
>> John Culleton
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>
You comment "the downsizing, if done properly" - what is the
proper way to downsize?
I use PS 7 and simply change the image size to fit the paper
I want to print on, ie. I create an image that is
approximately 4x6 when it was actually 12x10 or something
like that. I save the jpg in the larger size, print the 4x6
I created, but don't save it.
Am I degrading the quality of my 4x6 by doing it this way?
TIA
Louise >> Stay informed about: Megapixel setting for available light. |
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Since: Jul 07, 2006 Posts: 157
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:44 am
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On 23 Apr 2007 07:46:14 -0700
KenS <ksargent.TakeThisOut@uwf.edu> wrote:
> Well different cameras do different things I guess. My primary
> experience is with Panasonics and Leicas small sensor cameras and they
> work as I described.
You're confused. What you described is digital zoom. Asking the
camera for less than its full resolution is asking it to resample
the full frame to lower resolution. Asking it for less than the
full frame (at whatever resolution) is digital zoom. They're two
completely different things.
Paul Allen
> On Apr 23, 8:23 am, Ed Ruf <"Ed Ruf (REPLY to E-MAIL IN SIG!)"
> <egruf_usen....TakeThisOut@cox.net>> wrote:
> > On 23 Apr 2007 05:50:07 -0700, in rec.photo.digital KenS
> >
> > <ksarg....TakeThisOut@uwf.edu> wrote:
> > >Probably not - I say "probably" because I don't know this
> > >particular camera. But in general when you use a lower resolution
> > >setting, the sensor image is cropped - that is, you only use part
> > >of the sensor. And that part of the sensor is recording the same
> > >number of megapixels it would if you were at full resolution. The
> > >pixels are the same size in other words.
> >
> > I would tend to say the opposite. That lower resolutions are not
> > cropped but down sampled over the whole sensor. Works this way with
> > my three P&S cameras, as well as my two dslrs.
> > -
> > Ed Ruf
> > (Usen...@EdwardG.Ruf.com)http://edwardgruf.com/Digital_Photography/General/index.html
>
> >> Stay informed about: Megapixel setting for available light. |
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