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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:59 pm
Post subject: New Panasonic Lumix FZ18
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A new Panasonic digital camera just came out. It has an 18x optical
zoom, similar to Olympus SP-550UZ. I wonder how do they prize it in
comparison to the smaller FZ8 and the larger FZ50? Will FZ8 be slowly
pull out, or is this camera a new series?
I can't help wondering whether there will be a more close association
between Matsushita (creator of Panasonic) and Olympus. Panasonic has
LC-1 DSLR and Olympus has E-volt 330, which looks similar and share
the four third lens system (Leica lens for Panasonic and Zuikor lens
for Olympus). Is FZ18 and SP550UZ a competition, or do they end up as
a partner?
Is pushing optical zoom 18x a little too far, e specially using a
small P&S sensor size? FZ8 is 7 MP, FZ50 is 10MP and FZ18 will be 8
MP. I am looking forward to hear some news about this camera as it
goes into the market. I also wonder if Panasonic will enter an entry
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:15 pm
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:55 am
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aniramca RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>A new Panasonic digital camera just came out. It has an 18x optical
>zoom, similar to Olympus SP-550UZ. I wonder how do they prize it in
>comparison to the smaller FZ8 and the larger FZ50? Will FZ8 be slowly
>pull out, or is this camera a new series?
>I can't help wondering whether there will be a more close association
>between Matsushita (creator of Panasonic) and Olympus. Panasonic has
>LC-1 DSLR and Olympus has E-volt 330, which looks similar and share
>the four third lens system (Leica lens for Panasonic and Zuikor lens
>for Olympus). Is FZ18 and SP550UZ a competition, or do they end up as
>a partner?
All current Olympus Four Thirds DSLRs use Panasonic sensors. The
Panasonic LC-1, Leica Digilux 3 and Olympus E-330 all use the same
Panasonic 7.5 MP sensor and Olympus viewfinder.
>Is pushing optical zoom 18x a little too far, e specially using a
>small P&S sensor size?
Oh yes it is!
> I also wonder if Panasonic will enter an entry
>level DSLR soon.
The Panasonic DMC LC-1 is an entry level DSLR camera, but with a very
expensive price tag of £999. You can pay another £800 for the Leica
version which is virtually identical at a whopping £1799 !!!
The Olympus E-330 is now discontinued, but is probably still available
at rather less than half the price of the Panasonic DSLR. Of course
the Panasonic has the excellent Leica zoom lens with built-in
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:55 am
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Paul Furman <paul-.TakeThisOut@-edgehill.net> observed
>aniramca@gmail.com wrote:
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>> Is pushing optical zoom 18x a little too far
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>Yes.
I've only read the PR, but the difficult bit (cf the FZ8) is at the 28mm
equiv. end - the long end is not a lot different from the excellent lens
on the FZ5 that I have. The real problem (without seeing any
reviews[1]) is likely to be a further increase in the pixel count,
although RAW will give a work around.
[1] And the reviews are not very helpful in general, as they
tend to use factory settings. On my FZ5 & FZ50 I have always
used minimum interference from the Venus II & III engines and
done sharpening, and noise adjustments on the computer.
Mike
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:19 am
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I have the DMC FZ10 - 5 mp - (besides my D200) and it delivers good photos.
I would be less concerned with the 18x zoom than the size of the sensor. I
think 6 or 7 mp is plenty - 8mp, and certainly 10 mp, on a chip that size
will produce a lot of noise.
As for the lens - you will probably have pincushion/barrel distortion, but
that is usually at both ends of the zoom range.
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>A new Panasonic digital camera just came out. It has an 18x optical
> zoom, similar to Olympus SP-550UZ. I wonder how do they prize it in
> comparison to the smaller FZ8 and the larger FZ50? Will FZ8 be slowly
> pull out, or is this camera a new series?
> I can't help wondering whether there will be a more close association
> between Matsushita (creator of Panasonic) and Olympus. Panasonic has
> LC-1 DSLR and Olympus has E-volt 330, which looks similar and share
> the four third lens system (Leica lens for Panasonic and Zuikor lens
> for Olympus). Is FZ18 and SP550UZ a competition, or do they end up as
> a partner?
> Is pushing optical zoom 18x a little too far, e specially using a
> small P&S sensor size? FZ8 is 7 MP, FZ50 is 10MP and FZ18 will be 8
> MP. I am looking forward to hear some news about this camera as it
> goes into the market. I also wonder if Panasonic will enter an entry
> level DSLR soon.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:33 am
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paul- DeleteThis @-edgehill.net (Paul Furman) wrote:
> Yes.
I'm actually pretty impressed by the SP-550's image quality across the
range. However its lag (mainly down to slow focusing speed) makes it an
annoying tool at times.
I'll be interested in seeing how Panasonic's offering compares, because
the combination of 28mm wide end and long zoom is a very attractive
package in a fairly pocketable camera. Having said that, the important
range is the 28-300ish part and I'd happily lose the extra length for a
higher quality lense design.
Andrew McP >> Stay informed about: New Panasonic Lumix FZ18 |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:37 pm
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On Jul 25, 7:59 pm, anira... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> A new Panasonic digital camera just came out. It has an 18x optical
> zoom
The FZ8 has 12x optical zoom at 7 MP, and 18x optical zoom at 3 MP.
The 18x zoom appears very good and the photos I've taken are great at
18x.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:31 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:04 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:04 pm
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:57 pm
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BaumBadier wrote:
<heavily edited, for brevity>
> People today so often want to blame the camera. They don't realize they are
> holding a technological wonder, with a zoom-range far beyond what many of us had
> just 15 or 20 years ago. They expect it to perform like a snap-shot camera
> because they've been made as user-friendly as an old Instamatic. Realize that
> these new cameras are not only pushing the limits of technology but also the
> limits of the photographer's own human abilities. Putting lens focal-lengths at
> your easy disposal that no photographer in his right mind would have tried to
> hand-hold just a few years ago. When we grabbed a 200mm or 400mm lens to put on
> our cameras we also grabbed the tripod, as a standard rule of action. If new
> photographers today stop to realize this then they'll stop blaming the
> performance of the camera and learn to look more at their own limitations.
> Improve your own techniques and the camera will happily compensate for anything
> that you can't improve on your own.
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Hello, BaumBadier:
You make a lot of sense, man! P&S digicams - even highly advanced ones -
are so often taken for granted, despite their proven capabilities and
obvious advantages.
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.DeleteThis@concentric.net> >> Stay informed about: New Panasonic Lumix FZ18 |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:52 am
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John Turco wrote:
> BaumBadier wrote:
>
> <heavily edited, for brevity>
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>> People today so often want to blame the camera. They don't realize they are
>> holding a technological wonder, with a zoom-range far beyond what many of us had
>> just 15 or 20 years ago. They expect it to perform like a snap-shot camera
>> because they've been made as user-friendly as an old Instamatic. Realize that
>> these new cameras are not only pushing the limits of technology but also the
>> limits of the photographer's own human abilities. Putting lens focal-lengths at
>> your easy disposal that no photographer in his right mind would have tried to
>> hand-hold just a few years ago. When we grabbed a 200mm or 400mm lens to put on
>> our cameras we also grabbed the tripod, as a standard rule of action. If new
>> photographers today stop to realize this then they'll stop blaming the
>> performance of the camera and learn to look more at their own limitations.
>> Improve your own techniques and the camera will happily compensate for anything
>> that you can't improve on your own.
>
> <edited>
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> Hello, BaumBadier:
>
> You make a lot of sense, man! P&S digicams - even highly advanced ones -
> are so often taken for granted, despite their proven capabilities and
> obvious advantages.
>
>
> Cordially,
> John Turco <jtur RemoveThis @concentric.net>
Talking about large lenses...
I recently visited a nearby animal reserve (Fossil Rim, Glen Rose, Tx.),
and the car going through in front of me stopped by the Cheetah
enclosure, and poked a lens through the open window, and rested it on
the bottom of the window to take a picture. I would estimate the size
of the objective lens at 6", and the length of the lens to be about 12
inches. The Cheetah was only about 30 feet from the camera. Now I
would LOVE to see the picture he got. As we followed this car through
the rest of the drive, I got other glimpses of that lens, and two or
three others they had as they took pictures. It was obvious that they
were either professionals, or amateurs with MUCH money. >> Stay informed about: New Panasonic Lumix FZ18 |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:02 am
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On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:52:52 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
> Talking about large lenses...
> I recently visited a nearby animal reserve (Fossil Rim, Glen Rose, Tx.),
> and the car going through in front of me stopped by the Cheetah
> enclosure, and poked a lens through the open window, and rested it on
> the bottom of the window to take a picture. I would estimate the size
> of the objective lens at 6", and the length of the lens to be about 12
> inches. The Cheetah was only about 30 feet from the camera. Now I
> would LOVE to see the picture he got. As we followed this car through
> the rest of the drive, I got other glimpses of that lens, and two or
> three others they had as they took pictures. It was obvious that they
> were either professionals, or amateurs with MUCH money.
But not enough money to have gone on a *real* safari.  It
reminds me a bit of the not very admirable hunters bagging helpless
"big game" in Carl Hiaasen's very funny "Sick Puppy". >> Stay informed about: New Panasonic Lumix FZ18 |
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