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On 8 Mar 2007 16:32:40 -0800, "carrera d'olbani" <dolbani DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
>deepm...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Been out the loop since I bought my Panny LX1...
>>
>> Any new stuff out there with comparable features, plus an optical
>> viewfinder and takes aa batteries?
>
>Yes, there is a new must-have camera, Sigma DP1. It does not have an
>optical viewfinder or AA batteries, it has something better -- an APS-
>C sized sensor in the compact body...
>
>http://sigma-dp1.com/

NO VIEWFINDER!
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On Mar 8, 10:03 pm, timeOday <timeOday-UNS....TakeThisOut@theknack.net> wrote:
> nospam wrote:
> > In article <tne1v29lt1v5ee9a37kp14n78qs2q9d....TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, ASAAR
> > <cau....TakeThisOut@22.com> wrote:
>
> >>> NO VIEWFINDER!
> >> No viewfinder?
>
> >>> PMA 2007: Another Sigma product revealed at Photokina but
> >>> confirmed today is the DP1 compact camera with an APS size
> >>> sensor. The DP1 features the same Foveon 14M X3 sensor (2652
> >>> x 1768 x 3 layers) as the SD14 and a fixed 16.6 mm F4.0 lens
> >>> (providing a 28 mm equiv. FOV). Significant changes since the
> >>> development announcement back in September include a hot-shoe
> >>> and external viewfinder.
> >> Photos of the camera with viewfinder can be seen at:
>
> >> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp
>
> > the optical viewfinder is an optional accessory.
>
> Looks very interesting, I'm looking forward to the pics.
>
> But with such a short, fixed focal length, couldn't they have easily
> made the lens faster than f/4.0?

They could, but then the lens would be much bigger. You're spoiled by
the tiny lenses made possible by tiny (but low quality) sensors. The
DP-1 sensor is much, much bigger than normal compact digital camera
sensors, so the lens has to be much bigger as well. Or if you want a
smaller lens, it has to be slower. Check out the aperture ranges of
lenses on compact 35mm or APS film cameras - they're also very slow in
order to make them small enough.

Gniewko
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In article <45f0ddff$0$15016$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net>, David
Dyer-Bennet <dd-b.DeleteThis@dd-b.net> wrote:

> Fixed lens? Non-zoom? f/4? Well, maybe it's the right thing for
> *some* use, but it's not interesting to me.

it has digital zoom
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:01:32 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote:

>>> Any new stuff out there with comparable features, plus an optical
>>> viewfinder and takes aa batteries?
>>
>>Yes, there is a new must-have camera, Sigma DP1. It does not have an
>>optical viewfinder or AA batteries, it has something better -- an APS-
>>C sized sensor in the compact body...
>>
>>http://sigma-dp1.com/
>
> NO VIEWFINDER!

No viewfinder?

> PMA 2007: Another Sigma product revealed at Photokina but
> confirmed today is the DP1 compact camera with an APS size
> sensor. The DP1 features the same Foveon 14M X3 sensor (2652
> x 1768 x 3 layers) as the SD14 and a fixed 16.6 mm F4.0 lens
> (providing a 28 mm equiv. FOV). Significant changes since the
> development announcement back in September include a hot-shoe
> and external viewfinder.

Photos of the camera with viewfinder can be seen at:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp
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In article <tne1v29lt1v5ee9a37kp14n78qs2q9dgfl.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, ASAAR
<caught.TakeThisOut@22.com> wrote:

> > NO VIEWFINDER!
>
> No viewfinder?
>
> > PMA 2007: Another Sigma product revealed at Photokina but
> > confirmed today is the DP1 compact camera with an APS size
> > sensor. The DP1 features the same Foveon 14M X3 sensor (2652
> > x 1768 x 3 layers) as the SD14 and a fixed 16.6 mm F4.0 lens
> > (providing a 28 mm equiv. FOV). Significant changes since the
> > development announcement back in September include a hot-shoe
> > and external viewfinder.
>
> Photos of the camera with viewfinder can be seen at:
>
> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp

the optical viewfinder is an optional accessory.
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:56:03 -0800, nospam <nospam.RemoveThis@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <tne1v29lt1v5ee9a37kp14n78qs2q9dgfl.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, ASAAR
><caught.RemoveThis@22.com> wrote:
>
>> > NO VIEWFINDER!
>>
>> No viewfinder?
>>
>> > PMA 2007: Another Sigma product revealed at Photokina but
>> > confirmed today is the DP1 compact camera with an APS size
>> > sensor. The DP1 features the same Foveon 14M X3 sensor (2652
>> > x 1768 x 3 layers) as the SD14 and a fixed 16.6 mm F4.0 lens
>> > (providing a 28 mm equiv. FOV). Significant changes since the
>> > development announcement back in September include a hot-shoe
>> > and external viewfinder.
>>
>> Photos of the camera with viewfinder can be seen at:
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp
>
>the optical viewfinder is an optional accessory.
Seems an odd idea.
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nospam wrote:
> In article <tne1v29lt1v5ee9a37kp14n78qs2q9dgfl.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, ASAAR
> <caught.RemoveThis@22.com> wrote:
>
>>> NO VIEWFINDER!
>> No viewfinder?
>>
>>> PMA 2007: Another Sigma product revealed at Photokina but
>>> confirmed today is the DP1 compact camera with an APS size
>>> sensor. The DP1 features the same Foveon 14M X3 sensor (2652
>>> x 1768 x 3 layers) as the SD14 and a fixed 16.6 mm F4.0 lens
>>> (providing a 28 mm equiv. FOV). Significant changes since the
>>> development announcement back in September include a hot-shoe
>>> and external viewfinder.
>> Photos of the camera with viewfinder can be seen at:
>>
>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp
>
> the optical viewfinder is an optional accessory.

Looks very interesting, I'm looking forward to the pics.

But with such a short, fixed focal length, couldn't they have easily
made the lens faster than f/4.0?
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ASAAR wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:01:32 -0600, Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>
>>>> Any new stuff out there with comparable features, plus an optical
>>>> viewfinder and takes aa batteries?
>>> Yes, there is a new must-have camera, Sigma DP1. It does not have an
>>> optical viewfinder or AA batteries, it has something better -- an APS-
>>> C sized sensor in the compact body...
>>>
>>> http://sigma-dp1.com/
>> NO VIEWFINDER!
>
> No viewfinder?

Not bad! An APS-sized, 4.8 MP...er..."14.45 effective MP Foveon" sensor.
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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:56:03 -0800, Super Dave nospam wrote:

>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp
>
> the optical viewfinder is an optional accessory.

Naturally, just like the optional viewfinder for Ricoh's
GR-Digital. Please note that the external flash is also an optional
accessory. Being able to remove the viewfinder or flash might be a
big advantage for you during those times when you're taking pictures
while standing in the back of a pickup truck that's fast approaching
a low-hanging overpass.
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carrera d'olbani wrote:
> deepm....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>> Been out the loop since I bought my Panny LX1...
>>
>> Any new stuff out there with comparable features, plus an optical
>> viewfinder and takes aa batteries?
>
> Yes, there is a new must-have camera, Sigma DP1. It does not have an
> optical viewfinder or AA batteries, it has something better -- an APS-
> C sized sensor in the compact body...
>
> http://sigma-dp1.com/

Fixed lens? Non-zoom? f/4? Well, maybe it's the right thing for
*some* use, but it's not interesting to me.
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2007 16:32:40 -0800, "carrera d'olbani" <dolbani.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> deepm....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Been out the loop since I bought my Panny LX1...
>>>
>>> Any new stuff out there with comparable features, plus an optical
>>> viewfinder and takes aa batteries?
>> Yes, there is a new must-have camera, Sigma DP1. It does not have an
>> optical viewfinder or AA batteries, it has something better -- an APS-
>> C sized sensor in the compact body...
>>
>> http://sigma-dp1.com/
>
> NO VIEWFINDER!

Fine with me, if it doesn't compromise the sensor too much I prefer a
live-view LCD.
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lubecki.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 8, 10:03 pm, timeOday <timeOday-UNS....DeleteThis@theknack.net> wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>> In article <tne1v29lt1v5ee9a37kp14n78qs2q9d....DeleteThis@4ax.com>, ASAAR
>>> <cau....DeleteThis@22.com> wrote:
>>>>> NO VIEWFINDER!
>>>> No viewfinder?
>>>>> PMA 2007: Another Sigma product revealed at Photokina but
>>>>> confirmed today is the DP1 compact camera with an APS size
>>>>> sensor. The DP1 features the same Foveon 14M X3 sensor (2652
>>>>> x 1768 x 3 layers) as the SD14 and a fixed 16.6 mm F4.0 lens
>>>>> (providing a 28 mm equiv. FOV). Significant changes since the
>>>>> development announcement back in September include a hot-shoe
>>>>> and external viewfinder.
>>>> Photos of the camera with viewfinder can be seen at:
>>>> http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030807sigmadp1.asp
>>> the optical viewfinder is an optional accessory.
>> Looks very interesting, I'm looking forward to the pics.
>>
>> But with such a short, fixed focal length, couldn't they have easily
>> made the lens faster than f/4.0?
>
> They could, but then the lens would be much bigger. You're spoiled by
> the tiny lenses made possible by tiny (but low quality) sensors. The
> DP-1 sensor is much, much bigger than normal compact digital camera
> sensors, so the lens has to be much bigger as well. Or if you want a
> smaller lens, it has to be slower. Check out the aperture ranges of
> lenses on compact 35mm or APS film cameras - they're also very slow in
> order to make them small enough.

In my case, I know how big my 24mm f/2 lens (covers 35mm) is. The DP-1
is a 16.6mm I believe, so the front element diameter required for f/2 is
correspondingly smaller. This doesn't look so terribly hard to do to me.
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nospam wrote:
> In article <45f0ddff$0$15016$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net>, David
> Dyer-Bennet <dd-b.TakeThisOut@dd-b.net> wrote:
>
>> Fixed lens? Non-zoom? f/4? Well, maybe it's the right thing for
>> *some* use, but it's not interesting to me.
>
> it has digital zoom

Ah, well, then that's okay. Especially given it's very high 14
megapixel sensor, eh?

!!
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