Laser vs inkjet when for greyscale`

It's only preferable if you are really stupid and forget
what you've just read seconds ago, and if you like to move
your hands between mouse and keyboard a lot so you can
scroll down and see if the responder actually wrote anything
new (frequently one line after citing three pages of previously
repeated text). If you actually want people to read your
posts, post the new material at the top and leave the stuff
at the bottom for context for people with alzheimer's.

Bill K wrote:
> Hello John,
> I enjoy this newsgroup and certainly want to follow the standards. I
> am new to newsgroup, however. What are "top" and "bottom" posting?
>>From this thread I understand it's preferable to "bottom post."
> Bill in Lake Charles
>
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So when you read a novel, and stop for a while -- do you go
back and read it from the beginning again each time you pick
it up?

If it's not natural to read a book that way why do you think
it makes any sense to read on-line posts that way? Personally,
I remember what I've read previously and pick it up from where
I left off.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> You just top posted.
> Bottom posting follows the normal conversation. We read from top to bottom
> so if everyone follows, you can follow a thread much easier. Just as
> important is to delete most of the previous post. Just leave a couple of
> sentences so everyone know who you are replying to and about what.
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It also doesn't mean that what you have to say is
meaningless but odds are good that I won't read it.

I think we all understand that it's possible to read
bottom-posted messages with extra effort. I just
question why anybody here thinks that what they have
to say is so important that it's worth the extra time
and effort?

Imagine holding a conversation where one of the
participants insists on repeating everything said
up to that point before he adds something new. That's
what bottom-posting is.

ColinD wrote:

> Not snipping does not invalidate bottom posting. As for your mice, does
> your keyboard not have a PageDown key?
>
> Colin D.
>
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"Poobah" <poobah.RemoveThis@nomail.com> wrote

> Tee-hee! "Behoves"...

It's a perfectly cromulent word...

Jebediah: [on film] A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
Edna: Embiggens? I never heard that word before I moved to Springfield
Ms.Hoover: I don't know why. It's a perfectly cromulent word.

~ The Simpsons (episode 3F13)
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On 6/23/06 8:58 AM, M Berger posted the following:
> It also doesn't mean that what you have to say is
> meaningless but odds are good that I won't read it.
>
I bet you've worked your way into a lot of killfiles.

Are you here for photog, printing, or whingeing??

--
lsmft
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M Berger wrote:

> It's only preferable if you are really stupid and forget
> what you've just read seconds ago, and if you like to move
> your hands between mouse and keyboard a lot so you can
> scroll down and see if the responder actually wrote anything
> new (frequently one line after citing three pages of previously
> repeated text). If you actually want people to read your
> posts, post the new material at the top and leave the stuff
> at the bottom for context for people with alzheimer's.
>
> Bill K wrote:
>> Hello John,
>> I enjoy this newsgroup and certainly want to follow the standards. I
>> am new to newsgroup, however. What are "top" and "bottom" posting?
>>>From this thread I understand it's preferable to "bottom post."
>> Bill in Lake Charles

Screw it, I'm hereby killfiling all posts that contain the phrase "top post"
and "bottom post" and suggesting that the lot of you pool your resources
and time-share a life.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:53:02 -0500, M Berger shouted:

>>From this thread I understand it's preferable to "bottom post."
>
> It's only preferable if you are really stupid and forget
> what you've just read seconds ago, and if you like to move
> your hands between mouse and keyboard a lot so you can
> scroll down and see if the responder actually wrote anything
> new (frequently one line after citing three pages of previously
> repeated text).

Some might think that it's *you* that's really stupid, since
you've made several poor assumptions. I don't know anyone that
spends all of their waking hours constantly checking for new
newsgroup messages. If they don't do that, you are bound to read
many replies that were posted hours or days prior. Somebody that
reads my reply a week from now may want to reply to it, further
weakening the memory link for others that would then need the
context that you think not very necessary.

The "three pages of previously repeated text" is nothing but a
"straw man" argument, since that is poor practice no matter what
kind of quoting is used.


> If you actually want people to read your
> posts, post the new material at the top and leave the stuff
> at the bottom for context for people with alzheimer's.

Whether top or bottom posting is used, it's far more important to
*trim* the quotes of non relevant matter and to put replies near the
quoted context rather than to blather about whether top or bottom
posting is preferable. If you want people to actually *read* your
posts, it would be useful to try to avoid making arrogant, poorly
thought out suggestions and generally acting as a troll.
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M Berger wrote:

> The way it is, for many years, is that you do what you want.
> There are no rules. It's Usenet.
>
> Personally, I think people that "bottom post" just make it
> harder on everyone else and don't care if anybody reads their
> post.


oh year i agree

>
> GregS wrote:
>
>> The way it is, for many years, you bottom post, its always going to be
>> that way, and any other way one might also try to do..Trying to make
>> everyone top post is FUTILE.
>> 200 years from now, perhaps top posting will be mandatory. There is also
>> a case for the blind reading vocalized posts. Of course, don't the
>> arrows
>> indicate a posting sequence???
>
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"M Berger" <berger.DeleteThis@shout.net> wrote in message
> If it's not natural to read a book that way why do you think
> it makes any sense to read on-line posts that way? Personally,
> I remember what I've read previously and pick it up from where
> I left off.

I'm impressed by your memory. Some of us are active on a few groups and
read many postings in a day. We may respond to quite a few also.

Some threads last for weeks, or may re-surface after a week or three. While
you can instantly recall everything you've ever read, some of us like to see
a sentence or two about the subject to jog our memory.
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:55:17 -0500, M Berger wrote:

> So when you read a novel, and stop for a while -- do you go
> back and read it from the beginning again each time you pick
> it up?
>
> If it's not natural to read a book that way why do you think
> it makes any sense to read on-line posts that way? Personally,
> I remember what I've read previously and pick it up from where
> I left off.
>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> You just top posted.
>> Bottom posting follows the normal conversation. We read from top to bottom
>> so if everyone follows, you can follow a thread much easier. Just as
>> important is to delete most of the previous post. Just leave a couple of
>> sentences so everyone know who you are replying to and about what.
You also do not start a book in the middle, read to the end and start
again at the beginning.
 >> Stay informed about: Laser vs inkjet when for greyscale` 

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:50:40 -0500, M Berger <berger.RemoveThis@shout.net> wrote:


>The way it is, for many years, is that you do what you want.
>There are no rules. It's Usenet.

>Personally, I think people that "bottom post" just make it
>harder on everyone else and don't care if anybody reads their
>post.

That's exactly wrong. Usenet has *always* been top to bottom.

Top posting only came about when outlook express started being used
and people like you were too damn lazy to move the cursor to the
bottom.
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