Using LCD screen to shoot photos in DSLR

Several Olympus models starting with the E-10 several years ago. Today I
have a Panasonic DMC-L1 with "Live View", just like the newer Olympus DSLRs.

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<aniramca.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I saw the new Olympus E-Volt 410 and it reminds me much of the old
> OM-1 camera.... a relatively small digital SLR and it looks very
> stylish, and lean. In those days, the introduction of the OM-1 got a
> very favourable reviews. I could not find a more "sexier" SLR camera
> than the OM-1 (as well as the OM-3). In the new digital SLR E-410, I
> also find out that Olympus appears to try the lead for a "live preview
> DSLR", which means that you can use the LCD to look at the object
> before you push the shutter button.
> I think most of other DSLR requires you to look at the eye piece in
> order to shoot an object. What other DSLR has this capabilities? I
> heard Fuji Pro S3 has similar feature. Any others? and will there be
> other camera manufacturers to follow this trend?
>
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On Jul 21, 9:07 am, anira....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> I saw the new Olympus E-Volt 410 and it reminds me much of the old
> OM-1 camera.... a relatively small digital SLR and it looks very
> stylish, and lean. In those days, the introduction of the OM-1 got a
> very favourable reviews. I could not find a more "sexier" SLR camera
> than the OM-1 (as well as the OM-3). In the new digital SLR E-410, I
> also find out that Olympus appears to try the lead for a "live preview
> DSLR", which means that you can use the LCD to look at the object
> before you push the shutter button.
> I think most of other DSLR requires you to look at the eye piece in
> order to shoot an object. What other DSLR has this capabilities? I
> heard Fuji Pro S3 has similar feature. Any others? and will there be
> other camera manufacturers to follow this trend?

Canon 20Da, the astronomy version.
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On Jul 21, 11:35 am, "babaloo" <fac....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The usefulness of this feature is in the eye of the beholder.
> The teeny LCD image does not accurately convey whether highlights hold
> detail, shadow detail etc.

I think the cameras have both highlight and shadow alert displays that
show you the result of the exposure setting on the scene.
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On Jul 21, 8:20 pm, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)"
<usern... DeleteThis @qwest.net> wrote:

> "Live preview" is a marketing ploy that is exactly the opposite
> of what it really does. The time to read data off the sensor
> and display it on an LCD should actually be called
> "Delayed preview." The only true live preview is the
> the optical view a DSLR gives, delayed only by the speed of
> light. Sports and wildlife action photographers use
> optical true live preview of DSLRs. To degrade to
> LCD "live preview" would result in many missed images.
>

Well I'd love to have a swiveling LCD which could show a real-time
image through the lens (or "slightly delayed", if you prefer). It
would be extremely useful for shots from awkward angles, macro etc. If
it's slow, that's fine with me, for these purposes (I prefer an
optical viewfinder for most other things). I have a compact (minolta
z3) which has what looks like 60fps refresh rate in bright light, so
it can't be that hard to speed up the preview. And I have to say, I've
never missed a single image due to the delay of the preview with that
camera (although I've missed loads because of its AF, and get
extremely irritated in low light when its refresh rate drops-I really
can't stand anything being slower than my reaction time). But I don't
shoot sports or anything like that.
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aniramca RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> I saw the new Olympus E-Volt 410 and it reminds me much of the old
> OM-1 camera.... a relatively small digital SLR and it looks very
> stylish, and lean. In those days, the introduction of the OM-1 got a
> very favourable reviews. I could not find a more "sexier" SLR camera
> than the OM-1 (as well as the OM-3). In the new digital SLR E-410, I
> also find out that Olympus appears to try the lead for a "live preview
> DSLR", which means that you can use the LCD to look at the object
> before you push the shutter button.
> I think most of other DSLR requires you to look at the eye piece in
> order to shoot an object. What other DSLR has this capabilities? I
> heard Fuji Pro S3 has similar feature. Any others? and will there be
> other camera manufacturers to follow this trend?
>

"Live preview" is a marketing ploy that is exactly the opposite
of what it really does. The time to read data off the sensor
and display it on an LCD should actually be called
"Delayed preview." The only true live preview is the
the optical view a DSLR gives, delayed only by the speed of
light. Sports and wildlife action photographers use
optical true live preview of DSLRs. To degrade to
LCD "live preview" would result in many missed images.

Roger
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On Jul 21, 10:38 pm, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)"
<usern....RemoveThis@qwest.net> wrote:
> acl wrote:
>
> > Well I'd love to have a swiveling LCD which could show a real-time
> > image through the lens (or "slightly delayed", if you prefer).
>
> On Canon DSLRs (and SLRs) you can buy a right-angle finder for about
> $180. It swivels to any angle, and even magnifies the view.
> I assume other manufacturers have similar devices.
> If you are in a lab/studio environment, you could also add a web cam
> and hook it up to a computer for remote viewing.

I don't see how the fact that I can get an accessory to do something
means that this something shouldn't be included on the camera. And
anyway, I carry my DSLR with me everywhere I go (to work, shopping,
for a drink etc), and the less I have to carry, the better. of course
I can just take the accessory finder with me only when I think I'll
need it, but it's bad enough that I have to decide on a lens every
time. And if this function can be put on the camera with no image
quality or other penalty, why not?

Although it would be second on the list after in-camera image
stabilization for me.
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In article <1185023228.056444.303390.DeleteThis@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
<aniramca.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> I saw the new Olympus E-Volt 410 and it reminds me much of the old
> OM-1 camera.... a relatively small digital SLR and it looks very
> stylish, and lean. In those days, the introduction of the OM-1 got a
> very favourable reviews. I could not find a more "sexier" SLR camera
> than the OM-1 (as well as the OM-3). In the new digital SLR E-410, I
> also find out that Olympus appears to try the lead for a "live preview
> DSLR", which means that you can use the LCD to look at the object
> before you push the shutter button.
> I think most of other DSLR requires you to look at the eye piece in
> order to shoot an object. What other DSLR has this capabilities? I
> heard Fuji Pro S3 has similar feature. Any others? and will there be
> other camera manufacturers to follow this trend?

Why look at an LCD when you can look right through the lens optically?
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acl wrote:
> On Jul 21, 8:20 pm, "Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark)"
> <usern....RemoveThis@qwest.net> wrote:
>
>> "Live preview" is a marketing ploy that is exactly the opposite
>> of what it really does. The time to read data off the sensor
>> and display it on an LCD should actually be called
>> "Delayed preview." The only true live preview is the
>> the optical view a DSLR gives, delayed only by the speed of
>> light. Sports and wildlife action photographers use
>> optical true live preview of DSLRs. To degrade to
>> LCD "live preview" would result in many missed images.
>>
>
> Well I'd love to have a swiveling LCD which could show a real-time
> image through the lens (or "slightly delayed", if you prefer).

On Canon DSLRs (and SLRs) you can buy a right-angle finder for about
$180. It swivels to any angle, and even magnifies the view.
I assume other manufacturers have similar devices.
If you are in a lab/studio environment, you could also add a web cam
and hook it up to a computer for remote viewing.

> It
> would be extremely useful for shots from awkward angles, macro etc. If
> it's slow, that's fine with me, for these purposes (I prefer an
> optical viewfinder for most other things). I have a compact (minolta
> z3) which has what looks like 60fps refresh rate in bright light, so
> it can't be that hard to speed up the preview. And I have to say, I've
> never missed a single image due to the delay of the preview with that
> camera (although I've missed loads because of its AF, and get
> extremely irritated in low light when its refresh rate drops-I really
> can't stand anything being slower than my reaction time). But I don't
> shoot sports or anything like that.
>
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In article <46A252A2.7030202 RemoveThis @qwest.net>, change username to rnclark
<username RemoveThis @qwest.net> wrote:

> On Canon DSLRs (and SLRs) you can buy a right-angle finder for about
> $180. It swivels to any angle, and even magnifies the view.
> I assume other manufacturers have similar devices.

they do, and third party ones are available for much less.

> If you are in a lab/studio environment, you could also add a web cam
> and hook it up to a computer for remote viewing.

another option is a zigview:

<http://www.intro2020.co.uk/pages/zigview.htm>
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The usefulness of this feature is in the eye of the beholder.
The teeny LCD image does not accurately convey whether highlights hold
detail, shadow detail etc. The little screen does not accurately convey
vignetting or other edge effects. In truth, even histograms are not all that
useful apart from relatively flatly lit scenes because they do not convey
information about what image information at the extremes will hold adequate
detail. The image preview is not all that accurate compared to a final jpeg
and has no relationship to what the raw data holds.
Live preview is not as useful as image stabiliation built into the camera.
Here Olympus was a leader but their stabilization is reportedly quite anemic
in the 510, about one stop.
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On Jul 21, 11:27 pm, nospam <nos....TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <46A252A2.7030....TakeThisOut@qwest.net>, change username to rnclark
>
> <usern....TakeThisOut@qwest.net> wrote:
> > On Canon DSLRs (and SLRs) you can buy a right-angle finder for about
> > $180. It swivels to any angle, and even magnifies the view.
> > I assume other manufacturers have similar devices.
>
> they do, and third party ones are available for much less.

What brands are you talking about? I haven't found anything cheaper.
I'd like to get a cheap(ish) one to see how I like it, $180 is a bit
much for me to spend on something I am not sure I'll find useful.
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> In article <1185023228.056444.303390 RemoveThis @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> <aniramca RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I saw the new Olympus E-Volt 410 and it reminds me much of the old
>> OM-1 camera.... a relatively small digital SLR and it looks very
>> stylish, and lean. In those days, the introduction of the OM-1 got a
>> very favourable reviews. I could not find a more "sexier" SLR camera
>> than the OM-1 (as well as the OM-3). In the new digital SLR E-410, I
>> also find out that Olympus appears to try the lead for a "live preview
>> DSLR", which means that you can use the LCD to look at the object
>> before you push the shutter button.
>> I think most of other DSLR requires you to look at the eye piece in
>> order to shoot an object. What other DSLR has this capabilities? I
>> heard Fuji Pro S3 has similar feature. Any others? and will there be
>> other camera manufacturers to follow this trend?
>
> Why look at an LCD when you can look right through the lens optically?

Interesting thread.

My first digital camera was a Fuji S3000 and I really liked the viewfinder.
(I have had 35mm SLRs).

What has happened to electronic viewfinders - is my only choice now a DSLR
or a point and shoot with a LCD screen?

I thought the electronic viewfinder was potentially better than SLR.
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