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Don Stauffer in Minnesota
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:50 am
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On Feb 9, 8:36 pm, rfisc... DeleteThis @sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
> Don Stauffer in Minnesota <stauf... DeleteThis @usfamily.net> wrote:
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> > Ron Hunter <rphun... DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
> >> Don Stauffer in Minnesota wrote:
> >> > Kodak has a long history of pushing mediocre imaging devices (such as
> >> > Instamatics). But they seem to have a knack for marketing (and making
> >> > people believe they are so incredibly incompetent they cannot load
> >> > film into a camera, or make any setting whatsoever).
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> >> Probably because their market research indicates that most of their
> >> customers ARE that incompetent! It is rather like Apple and their one
> >> button mouse idea. I guess they know the majority of their customers.
> >> It's hard to argue with sales figures.
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> >> Frankly, I LOVED the instamatic cartridges. MUCh faster to change film.
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> >Trouble is, it MAKES folks more incompetent. You know the old saying
> >that telling a kid he is stupid will make him so? Also applies to
> >adults. Tell folks something often enough, and they will believe it.
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> And why aren't you using something like Unix instead of the (somewhat)
> easier to use MS Windows?
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> rfisc... DeleteThis @sonic.net
Well, I do have Linux on one of my computers. I find no "quality
degradation" by using the Windows computer, however, just less
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:56 pm
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On 10 Feb 2008 02:36:21 GMT, rfischer.DeleteThis@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
<47ae6325$0$36370$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>:
>And why aren't you using something like Unix instead of the (somewhat)
>easier to use MS Windows?
Rather than reboot or switch computers, I often run a UNIX workalike in
a virtual machine on a Windows host. Very handy.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:58 pm
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:24:43 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter.DeleteThis@charter.net>
wrote in <Wt2dnR1M9pVRKTPanZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d.DeleteThis@giganews.com>:
>It's NOT just the camera, but the camera, and the photographer, that
>makes the picture.
Just? It's ALWAYS the photographer. A great photographer can make a
great photo with pretty much any camera. Thus any photographer claiming
a specific tool is needed isn't a great photographer.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:58 pm
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On 2/10/08 3:58 PM, in article gosuq3p3v5utusman440v2rp4415264eif RemoveThis @4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamfilter1 RemoveThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:24:43 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter RemoveThis @charter.net>
> wrote in <Wt2dnR1M9pVRKTPanZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d RemoveThis @giganews.com>:
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>> It's NOT just the camera, but the camera, and the photographer, that
>> makes the picture.
>
> Just? It's ALWAYS the photographer. A great photographer can make a
> great photo with pretty much any camera. Thus any photographer claiming
> a specific tool is needed isn't a great photographer.
John, you are such a tool.
Take the above any way you want... >> Stay informed about: Kodak working to extend bounds of mediocrity |
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:58 pm
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John Navas wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:24:43 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter DeleteThis @charter.net>
> wrote in <Wt2dnR1M9pVRKTPanZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d DeleteThis @giganews.com>:
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>> It's NOT just the camera, but the camera, and the photographer, that
>> makes the picture.
>
> Just? It's ALWAYS the photographer. A great photographer can make a
> great photo with pretty much any camera. Thus any photographer claiming
> a specific tool is needed isn't a great photographer.
>
Well, within certain limits. Taking a photo of a bullet breaking a pane
of glass with a P&S digital might be a challenge to the best
photographer.... >> Stay informed about: Kodak working to extend bounds of mediocrity |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:12 pm
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:37:41 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter.RemoveThis@charter.net>
wrote in <F4qdne53zOcr4TLanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d.RemoveThis@giganews.com>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:24:43 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter.RemoveThis@charter.net>
>> wrote in <Wt2dnR1M9pVRKTPanZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d.RemoveThis@giganews.com>:
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>>> It's NOT just the camera, but the camera, and the photographer, that
>>> makes the picture.
>>
>> Just? It's ALWAYS the photographer. A great photographer can make a
>> great photo with pretty much any camera. Thus any photographer claiming
>> a specific tool is needed isn't a great photographer.
>>
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>Well, within certain limits. Taking a photo of a bullet breaking a pane
>of glass with a P&S digital might be a challenge to the best
>photographer....
Dark room.
Open shutter.
Use a high-speed strobe.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:12 pm
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On 2/10/08 5:12 PM, in article a61vq31mi3hfcs457q6gbnl7pcf7cd5c88 DeleteThis @4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamfilter1 DeleteThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:37:41 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter DeleteThis @charter.net>
> wrote in <F4qdne53zOcr4TLanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d DeleteThis @giganews.com>:
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>> John Navas wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:24:43 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter DeleteThis @charter.net>
>>> wrote in <Wt2dnR1M9pVRKTPanZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d DeleteThis @giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>> It's NOT just the camera, but the camera, and the photographer, that
>>>> makes the picture.
>>>
>>> Just? It's ALWAYS the photographer. A great photographer can make a
>>> great photo with pretty much any camera. Thus any photographer claiming
>>> a specific tool is needed isn't a great photographer.
>>>
>>
>> Well, within certain limits. Taking a photo of a bullet breaking a pane
>> of glass with a P&S digital might be a challenge to the best
>> photographer....
>
> Use a high-speed strobe.
What was it above about not needing "a specific tool", tool?
You are WAAAAAY too easy, NavASS. LOL! >> Stay informed about: Kodak working to extend bounds of mediocrity |
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:43 am
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On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 23:12:35 GMT, John Navas
<spamfilter1 RemoveThis @navasgroup.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:37:41 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter RemoveThis @charter.net>
>wrote in <F4qdne53zOcr4TLanZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d RemoveThis @giganews.com>:
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>>John Navas wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 02:24:43 -0600, Ron Hunter <rphunter RemoveThis @charter.net>
>>> wrote in <Wt2dnR1M9pVRKTPanZ2dnUVZ_uvinZ2d RemoveThis @giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>> It's NOT just the camera, but the camera, and the photographer, that
>>>> makes the picture.
>>>
>>> Just? It's ALWAYS the photographer. A great photographer can make a
>>> great photo with pretty much any camera. Thus any photographer claiming
>>> a specific tool is needed isn't a great photographer.
>>>
>>
>>Well, within certain limits. Taking a photo of a bullet breaking a pane
>>of glass with a P&S digital might be a challenge to the best
>>photographer....
>
>Dark room.
>Open shutter.
>Use a high-speed strobe.
Check out the CHDK wiki. You can take ultra high speed photos using
the in camera flash with about a dozen Canon P&S. Some are claiming
up to a 1/64000 of a sec with their cameras. After some measurements
I'm comfortable that my S3IS P7S is good to 1/32000. I suspect at
these speeds it's very individual camera dependent
And no matter what equipment you own, high speed photograph will be a
challenge >> Stay informed about: Kodak working to extend bounds of mediocrity |
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:28 pm
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"Mr. Strat" wrote:
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> In article <090220081259393670%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
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> > there was a kodak slr that took 126 cartridges. not that it was a
> > particularly good camera, but it was better than the typical 126 film
> > cameras.
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> And Pentax made an SLR that took 110 film...but it sucked too.
Hello, Randall:
It was called the "Auto110." I've owned one, for nearly two years, yet
have never used it.
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.DeleteThis@concentric.net> >> Stay informed about: Kodak working to extend bounds of mediocrity |
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:29 pm
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nospam wrote:
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> In article <47ae9cac$0$30702$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, rwalker
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> > Pentax made a very nice little 110 format SLR system with interchangeable
> > lenses which gets amazing results, considering it's a 110 camera.
>
> and minolta made a 110 slr too, although i don't think that had
> interchangable lenses.
Hello,
Yes, you're correct: The Minolta Mk I was a fixed-lens, 110 SLR camera.
A somewhat ungainly beast, unlike the Pentax Auto110 (which >looked<
like a 35mm SLR, only much tinier).
Cordially,
John Turco <jtur.DeleteThis@concentric.net> >> Stay informed about: Kodak working to extend bounds of mediocrity |
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