Q. for Ken Rockwell

"Annika1980" <annika1980.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Q. Why would anyone waste $150 on a P&S camera when a cellphone
> will
> also take pics just as well? I mean, unless you're Ansel Adams or
> somethin, you aren't gonna notice any difference, right?

A friend has a Sony camera phone with a 2mp sensor. It takes pretty
decent photos, within its limitations of course. But given that these
limitations are not important to Rockwell, your question is quite
valid.

In fact, why have a camera at all? My girlfriend is a pretty decent
sketcher, and she can draw a scene in a couple of minutes. Isn't that
good enough?


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On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 13:49:02 -0500
"Bill" <bill.TakeThisOut@c.a> wrote:

> "Annika1980" <annika1980.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1164992424.802922.138060@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Q. Why would anyone waste $150 on a P&S camera when a cellphone
> > will
> > also take pics just as well? I mean, unless you're Ansel Adams or
> > somethin, you aren't gonna notice any difference, right?
>
> A friend has a Sony camera phone with a 2mp sensor. It takes pretty
> decent photos, within its limitations of course. But given that these
> limitations are not important to Rockwell, your question is quite
> valid.
>
> In fact, why have a camera at all? My girlfriend is a pretty decent
> sketcher, and she can draw a scene in a couple of minutes. Isn't that
> good enough?

Indeed. My wife and I went on a Burke Museum sponsored tour of old
Haida village sites in the Queen Charlotte Islands back in July.
There were a bunch of cameras on the boat. My brand-new FZ30, several
big Nikon dSLR's, the skipper's Canon with a big heavy hunk of glass
on the front. One of the women on the boat sat and sketched or painted
on all of our excursions ashore. She brought all of her images to the
get-together we had last month, and darned if she didn't "shoot" some
of the same scenes I did and I like her rendition better.

Paul Allen
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Annika1980 <annika1980.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> Q. Why would anyone waste $150 on a P&S camera when a cellphone will
> also take pics just as well? I mean, unless you're Ansel Adams or
> somethin, you aren't gonna notice any difference, right?
>

You are an ass Brett.

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Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Annika1980 <annika1980.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>> Q. Why would anyone waste $150 on a P&S camera when a cellphone
>> will
>> also take pics just as well? I mean, unless you're Ansel Adams or
>> somethin, you aren't gonna notice any difference, right?
>>
>
> You are an ass Brett.

I wonder if TTV realizes what a rigid, hysterical character he
portrays from within that glass house. Between him and the Jeremies,
they seem to have that market cornered.

--
Frank ess
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Frank ess <frank RemoveThis @fshe2fs.com> wrote:
> Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
>> Annika1980 <annika1980 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>>> Q. Why would anyone waste $150 on a P&S camera when a cellphone
>>> will
>>> also take pics just as well? I mean, unless you're Ansel Adams or
>>> somethin, you aren't gonna notice any difference, right?
>>>
>>
>> You are an ass Brett.
>
> I wonder if TTV realizes what a rigid, hysterical character he
> portrays from within that glass house. Between him and the Jeremies,
> they seem to have that market cornered.
>

Well, considering Annika1980 (sounds like a woman's name by the way) posted
that message solely to bust balls ... it is a well worth the response I gave.

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On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:22:48 GMT, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Annika1980 <annika1980.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>> Q. Why would anyone waste $150 on a P&S camera when a cellphone will
>> also take pics just as well? I mean, unless you're Ansel Adams or
>> somethin, you aren't gonna notice any difference, right?
>>
>
>You are an ass Brett.

Well, at least partially.
But then, we all are, partially.
--
Bill Funk
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Stewy wrote:
>>
> I think if you gave Adams a cellphone and told him to get on with it,
> he'd come back with better pictures than most of us even with our latest
> piece of flashy technology from Hassy, Leica, Canon or Nikon...

Only after spending many hours in his digital darkroom.
Ansel's big secret weapon was his darkroom skills. That's where the
magic happens.
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Stewy wrote:
> I think if you gave Adams a cellphone and told him to get on with
it,
> he'd come back with better pictures than most of us even with our latest
> piece of flashy technology from Hassy, Leica, Canon or Nikon...

I think if you tried to give Adams a cellphone camera he would have
told you to shove it where the light does not shine. Adams was a
founding member of the Group f/64, not a group that is going to try and
use a point and shoot camera.

Scott
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 14:41:26 -0800, Paul Allen wrote:

> Indeed. My wife and I went on a Burke Museum sponsored tour of old
> Haida village sites in the Queen Charlotte Islands back in July.
> There were a bunch of cameras on the boat. My brand-new FZ30, several
> big Nikon dSLR's, the skipper's Canon with a big heavy hunk of glass
> on the front. One of the women on the boat sat and sketched or painted
> on all of our excursions ashore. She brought all of her images to the
> get-together we had last month, and darned if she didn't "shoot" some
> of the same scenes I did and I like her rendition better.

Too bad you couldn't have had a pro on the boat to show what
really could be done with sketches and paintings. You can only get
limited quality from a paint and shooter.
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In article <nP_bh.3192$Yy1.524@textfe.usenetserver.com>,
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Frank ess <frank.RemoveThis@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
> > Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> >> Annika1980 <annika1980.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> Q. Why would anyone waste $150 on a P&S camera when a cellphone
> >>> will
> >>> also take pics just as well? I mean, unless you're Ansel Adams or
> >>> somethin, you aren't gonna notice any difference, right?
> >>>
> >>
> >> You are an ass Brett.
> >
> > I wonder if TTV realizes what a rigid, hysterical character he
> > portrays from within that glass house. Between him and the Jeremies,
> > they seem to have that market cornered.
> >
>
> Well, considering Annika1980 (sounds like a woman's name by the way) posted
> that message solely to bust balls ... it is a well worth the response I gave.

I think if you gave Adams a cellphone and told him to get on with it,
he'd come back with better pictures than most of us even with our latest
piece of flashy technology from Hassy, Leica, Canon or Nikon...
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Annika1980 <annika1980.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Stewy wrote:
>>>
>> I think if you gave Adams a cellphone and told him to get on with it,
>> he'd come back with better pictures than most of us even with our latest
>> piece of flashy technology from Hassy, Leica, Canon or Nikon...
>
> Only after spending many hours in his digital darkroom.
> Ansel's big secret weapon was his darkroom skills. That's where the
> magic happens.
>

His big secret was that he knew how to make a photographic composition, soup
to nuts.

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"Scott W" <biphoto.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stewy wrote:
> > I think if you gave Adams a cellphone and told him to get on with
> it,
>> he'd come back with better pictures than most of us even with our latest
>> piece of flashy technology from Hassy, Leica, Canon or Nikon...
>
> I think if you tried to give Adams a cellphone camera he would have
> told you to shove it where the light does not shine. Adams was a
> founding member of the Group f/64, not a group that is going to try and
> use a point and shoot camera.

Adams was a very inclusive personality, and seldom uttered a discouraging
word to anyone. In the charter for f/64 the point is made that, although
they favored a certain way of making images, this was not meant to imply
that other ways of using photography were invalid or inferior in any way.

Adams was not the meticulous technologist that many make him out to be - far
from it. Adams was a long time user of 35mm film for casual people shots,
and he experimented with Polaroid images. As a teacher he always emphasized
individual preference over any hard and fast technique. I don't think he'd
go off and reshoot half dome with a cell phone camera, but he would
certainly spend a pleasant afternoon or two with what would have been a
marvelous toy. I suspect that, after discovering a good quality digital
camera together with Photoshop, he would have scarcely set foot in the
darkroom again.
--

Mike Russell
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Stewy wrote:

> I think if you gave Adams a cellphone and told him to get on with it,
> he'd come back with better pictures than most of us even with our latest
> piece of flashy technology from Hassy, Leica, Canon or Nikon...

I nominate this post for the most effacing hyperbole this Fall.

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john mcwilliams
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