Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer?

Focus wrote:
> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>
> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>
> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>
> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?

The low end back is 16MP square format though.
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On 2008-03-20 07:32:39 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-.DeleteThis@-edgehill.net> said:

> Focus wrote:
>> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
>> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>>
>> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
>> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>>
>> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
>> MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
>
> The low end back is 16MP square format though.

So, if one of these were under your Christmas tree, you wouldn't bother
to tear off the gift wrapping?
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On Mar 20, 11:46 pm, "Focus" <fo... DeleteThis @home.pt> wrote:
> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>
> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>
> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>
> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
>
> --
> Focus

This is like taking the best 4x4 and the best 2 door sports and
calling the guy who goes off-road dumb for picking the 4x4, just
because the 2 door sports goes faster.

2 very different cameras, each with their own strengths and their
intended use would ultimately decide which one is right for the user.
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"Focus" <focus.TakeThisOut@home.pt> wrote in message
news:-6qdndXKruRY93_anZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@novis.pt...
> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>
> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>
> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>
> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
> MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?

The H2F is alive and well. Hasselblad changed directions when it merged with
Imacon and now sells proprietary digital backs designed to work only with
it's H series cameras. No surprise there. And whether or not the image
quality of this camera will exceed that of the 1DsIII remains to be seen.
How much for the camera, lens, and digital back? Have you seen any samples
from this camera?
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"Focus" <focus RemoveThis @home.pt> a écrit dans le message de
news:-6qdndXKruRY93_anZ2dnUVZ8v6dnZ2d@novis.pt...
> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>
> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>
> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>
> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
MIII
> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?

you just got in digital camera dont you ?
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Paul Furman <paul- RemoveThis @-edgehill.net> wrote:

>Focus wrote:
>> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
>> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>>
>> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
>> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>>
>> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
>> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
>
>The low end back is 16MP square format though.



Surely it is developed from a Mamiya 645 with a PhaseOne digital back?

So not really as new as they would like you to think.
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Focus <focus.TakeThisOut@home.pt> wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?


Sure, I rather spend 8k on a proven and proven good top model
and keep my lenses than dunk 27k for an unproven, unavailable
top model and have to replace my lenses, too.

If I wanted huge and hard to carry, I'd be using a large format
camera.

-Wolfgang
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Tully Albrecht wrote:
> On 2008-03-20 07:32:39 -0700, Paul Furman <paul-.TakeThisOut@-edgehill.net> said:
>
>> Focus wrote:
>>> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open
>>> platform.
>>> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>>>
>>> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
>>> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>>>
>>> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>>>
>>> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon
>>> 1Ds MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
>>
>> The low end back is 16MP square format though.
>
> So, if one of these were under your Christmas tree, you wouldn't bother
> to tear off the gift wrapping?

Not at all!

Still it's priced with a 20MP DSLR
 >> Stay informed about: Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer? 

You know, I've found that people making those types of derogatory comments
about the Canon 1Ds series are people that can't afford to purchase the
system and/or lack the talent and ability to be a profitable working
photographer, regardless of the brand of equipment used.

The stupidity is further exemplified by comparing two different formats as
if they would be used for producing the same product.

To quote that great American, Buggs Bunny, "What a maroon."



>
> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
> MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
>
>
> --
> Focus
>
 >> Stay informed about: Hasselblad (and Canon 1Ds MIII) killer? 

Focus wrote:
> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>
> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>
> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>
> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?


The H3, 39 Mpix with 80mm lens is available for less US$ than the Phase
One system at the same Mpix point. That's the problem with a $1.55 or
so per Euro. (H3 @ B&H is US$34K or about 22 KEuro.)

The H3 is definitely the better deal.

8000 for the 1Da III? Commercial photographers spend a lot more money
on other things besides camera bodies in any case. For a photographer
with a stable of fine Canon lenses, what else should he consider?

The Phase One approach allows a variety of MF lenses including the
Hasselblad V series of which the market is loaded with used examples.
That gives the Phase One system some wind.

If I'm not mistaken, the portrayed 80mm lens does not have its own leaf
shutter. (The Phase One site lacks a lot of detail vis-a-vis shutter
(leaf) and sync speeds).

It would be nice if Hasselblad increase the CFV back to about 30 Mpix.
That would really extend the life of my 500 C/M and lenses.

Cheers,
Alan

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In article <63393$47e2ad9b$5449056b$21109@news.hispeed.ch>,
news0208.5.kruemi RemoveThis @spamgourmet.com says...
-Focus wrote:
-> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open platform.
-Wow, it has "open" in the name. That's great!
-
-> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
->
-whatever... out of my range anyway Would love to have one!
-
-> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
-> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
->
-> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
->
-> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds MIII
-> for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
->
-Someone who needs an all purpose-camera?`I've looked through the linup.
-Quite impressive, and I would not say "no" to such a camera. But it's
-not really superior.
-They are slow (wow, the fastest has up to 70pictuers per MINUTE).
-Sensor-Size "full frame CCD", factor 1.1. What is it now? 90% is nor
-100%. Not that I would care, but it's this marketing-gibberish that I
-don't like!
-1hr exposure without noise. that's a plain lie! You can't digitize
-anything without getting some noise.
-Sorry, they may have a great product, but what they claim is ridiculous.
-Up to ISO800. Nice, but not enough for general purpose. 1.5 images per
-second: not really impressing.
-
-This is a great camera, but comparing this with a Professional DSLR is
-just comparing apples and eggs. This is a specialised tool which does
-great in it's field, but would fail miserably in many situations.
-
-For me, I'd prefer the Canon.

medium and large format is a valuable option,
as anyone who has used them knows.
They each have their place.

a 35 mm DSLR camera that could shoot 1,000 frames per second
could waste at least 999 of them.

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PixelPix wrote:
<snip>
> This is like taking the best 4x4 and the best 2 door sports and
> calling the guy who goes off-road dumb for picking the 4x4, just
> because the 2 door sports goes faster.
>
> 2 very different cameras, each with their own strengths and their
> intended use would ultimately decide which one is right for the user.

There you go, introducing logic to this thread. Shame on you.
Allen
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"Marco Tedaldi" <news0208.5.kruemi RemoveThis @spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:63393$47e2ad9b$5449056b$21109@news.hispeed.ch...
> Focus wrote:
>> Phase One has developed a new camera system that they call: open
>> platform.
> Wow, it has "open" in the name. That's great!
>
>> It seems Hasselblad has dumped the H2 series.
>>
> whatever... out of my range anyway Would love to have one!
>
>> The price range (Europe) is from 9.000 to 27.000 euro ex. VAT. for a
>> complete camera with digital back and 80mm lens.
>>
>> http://www.phaseone.com/camera/
>>
>> Just wondering if anyone would still be dumb enough to buy a Canon 1Ds
>> MIII for 8.000,- if you can get something so much better?
>>
> Someone who needs an all purpose-camera?`I've looked through the linup.
> Quite impressive, and I would not say "no" to such a camera. But it's not
> really superior.
> They are slow (wow, the fastest has up to 70pictuers per MINUTE).

The 1Ds is not a Ferrari killer either.

> Sensor-Size "full frame CCD", factor 1.1. What is it now? 90% is nor 100%.
> Not that I would care, but it's this marketing-gibberish that I don't
> like!
> 1hr exposure without noise. that's a plain lie! You can't digitize
> anything without getting some noise.
> Sorry, they may have a great product, but what they claim is ridiculous.
> Up to ISO800. Nice, but not enough for general purpose. 1.5 images per
> second: not really impressing.

Up to 1600 ISO, like the 1Ds. Look better.
If you want speed you wouldn't buy either camera's, but go for the nikon D3
with 9 fps and 25600 ISO.

> This is a great camera, but comparing this with a Professional DSLR is
> just comparing apples and eggs. This is a specialised tool which does
> great in it's field, but would fail miserably in many situations.

I think it holds up pretty damn good against the 1Ds. Both made for about
the same market and the Phase with the software to correct the lenses etc.
Not bad I think.

> For me, I'd prefer the Canon.

You can have my old one.


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