Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740?

Toby Newman schrieb:

> Optical zoom
> Fuji: 3x
> Mju: 5x
> Mju wins, and 5x optical zoom would be pretty cool

the only argument for Olympus, if you need it

> ISO
> Fuji: 3200
> Mju: 1600
> The Fuji wins by a margin.

no. the noise of the Fuji is much lower, not only a margin better

grüsse

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 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

On 2007-02-20, Bill Tuthill <ccreekin DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Toby Newman <google DeleteThis @asktoby.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to choose a digital camera and have narrowed it down to a
>> Fuji Finepix F30 or an Olympus Mju 740.
>
> My advice is to wait for the Fuji F40, supposedly available March 2007,
> because it takes SD cards. The xD cards are a dead-end.

You can get a 2GB xD card now for comparitively little money. How many
megabytes will a 6 megapixel image be? I'd have thought that would be
plenty.

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 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

Toby Newman schrieb:

> You can get a 2GB xD card now for comparitively little money. How many
> megabytes will a 6 megapixel image be? I'd have thought that would be
> plenty.

About 3MB (fine quality) or 1.5MB (normal quality)

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 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

ASAAR <caught.RemoveThis@22.com> wrote:
>
>> "Our laboratory test shots reveal terrible problems with focus across
>> the frame, so it wasn't just me. The Olympus Stylus 740 shows
>> some of the worst lens performance we've seen in a modern digicam."
>
> Wow. That's got to be the worst review I've ever come across, and
> the other models in the 7x0 line aren't much better. I suppose that
> the cameras are the same and whether you get a Stylus or an Mju
> depends on what part of the globe the camera is purchased. I wonder
> if the lenses are really that bad? The problems might also be due
> to something warping the sensor. It'll be interesting to see how
> other reviewers rate the 740. I guess that this thread's question
> has been answered for now, with the F30 still looking good.

Yes, imaging-resource.com is one of the most honest and competent
review sites out there.

Which brings me back to my earlier post: with Olympus messing up
the photography business to such a great extent, and with Fujifilm
offering SD card compatibility in the replacement F40 model, betting
on xD cards (required in the F30) seems inadvisable.

I wonder how many people are like me, and would have bought a Fuji
digicam already if not for the xD cards.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

Toby Newman <google.DeleteThis@asktoby.com> wrote:
>
>> My advice is to wait for the Fuji F40, supposedly available March 2007,
>> because it takes SD cards. The xD cards are a dead-end.
>
> You can get a 2GB xD card now for comparitively little money. How many
> megabytes will a 6 megapixel image be? I'd have thought that would be
> plenty.

It's not a question of money or availability.

It's a question of future compatibility. Devices of the future
(printers, photo kiosks) will not be accepting xD cards.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

Bill Tuthill wrote:

> I wonder how many people are like me, and would have bought a Fuji
> digicam already if not for the xD cards.

It was certainly my biggest holdup in buying my F11. And I only got the
one, a 512MB. I've got something like 3GB of SD for my wife's Nikon P&S
and my palm pilot, and I'd really like my next P&S to take SD. (My DSLR
takes CF of course).
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

On 21 Feb 2007 10:21:37 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:

>> You can get a 2GB xD card now for comparitively little money. How many
>> megabytes will a 6 megapixel image be? I'd have thought that would be
>> plenty.
>
> It's not a question of money or availability.
>
> It's a question of future compatibility. Devices of the future
> (printers, photo kiosks) will not be accepting xD cards.

That probably won't come about for a good number of years, if at
all. And if kiosks don't have xD slots in the year 2015, my CD to xD
adapter will still provide a solution. Unless the Kiosk also
eliminates CF slots, that is. Even then, anyone that owns xD
cards would almost certainly have a compatible card reader and could
copy all of the images to be printed to an SD card. That's what I
do now as a matter of course. I never have printed anything
approaching 50% of the shots I've taken, and it would be a real pain
to select which images to print from the kiosk from the card I used
in the camera. I always make a copy of what I want to print in a
new directory on the computer and then copy it to an SD card, since
I have a bunch of spare 512MB cards for my mp3 player. That way
everything on the card can be selected at the kiosk, and I can be on
my way in just 2 or 3 minutes.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

On Feb 21, 7:41 pm, "Toby" <kyma....TakeThisOut@hol.com> wrote:
> "kinga202NOS...@hotmail.com" <ausc....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1172024379.889864.18890@t69g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Feb 21, 1:00 am, Toby Newman <goo....TakeThisOut@asktoby.com> wrote:
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> >> p.s. please do not suggest a third model because I am restricted to
> >> these two models
>
> > Pffffffft!
>
> > I really really tried to like the F30 [of which its the better of the
> > 2 u mentioned]
>
> > But it has the following faults:
>
> > Only 3 x zoom
> > No image stabil.
> > No AA Batteries
> > Slow XD cards transfer
>
> > For mine i would go the Canon A710IS, but its expensive [Canon's are
> > worth it though] or what i AM GOING TO BUY:
>
> > The newly released Panasonic LZ7, beats the F30 with ease, a brilliant
> > piece of work and near half the price of the A710IS
>
> I seriously doubt that if the camera is like previous Panasonic models.
>
> Toby- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

I think[know] NOT:

http://www.cameras.co.uk/camera-reviews/panasonic-dmc-fx01.cfm

86/100 best score yet, new Panasonics just announced will move it
further ahead....

K202
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

ASAAR <caught DeleteThis @22.com> wrote:
>>
>> Devices of the future (printers, kiosks) will not accept xD cards.
>>
> That probably won't come about for a good number of years, if at all.

Our Canon printer, purchased in 2006, accepts SD cards but not xD.

> And if kiosks don't have xD slots in the year 2015, my CD to xD
> adapter will still provide a solution.

Out of curiosity, how much did you pay for that?

> Anyone that owns xD would almost certainly have a compatible card reader
> and could copy all of the images to be printed to an SD card.

Yes, experienced and knowledgeable digital photographers like you could.
For peons like me, I would probably lose the SD card among the clutter
of my computer room/office.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

On 22 Feb 2007 10:44:15 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:

>>> Devices of the future (printers, kiosks) will not accept xD cards.
>>>
>> That probably won't come about for a good number of years, if at all.
>
> Our Canon printer, purchased in 2006, accepts SD cards but not xD.

Not very persuasive. And do you normally print to it using an SD
card sneakernet or use a computer to printer USB cable? Canon
cameras don't use xD cards and Canon is under no obligation to ever
support any card type other than what their own cameras use. Owners
of kiosks on the other hand would be shooting themselves in the foot
by making it more difficult for some photographers to be their
customers. It would be a different matter if adding an xD slot to
their equipment wasn't cost justified, but that's not the case. You
and I know how inexpensive card readers are. Just a week or two ago
Radio Shack had a special on thumb drives, and you could get an xD
or an SD version for $5. Removing xD slots from kiosk designs would
probably cost more in engineering costs than the few dollars that
would be saved by eliminating a couple of dollars worth of hardware.


>> And if kiosks don't have xD slots in the year 2015, my CD to xD
>> adapter will still provide a solution.
>
> Out of curiosity, how much did you pay for that?

Out of curiosity, do you not know how much those adapters cost, or
is there some hidden point you're trying to make? If it's that
they're prohibitively expensive, you could simply copy the pictures
to a reusable CDRW disk. Unless, that is, kiosks of the future also
eliminate CD drives. If CDRW disks present compatibility problems,
non-reusable CDR disks could be used instead, if 20 cents per disk
wouldn't break the bank.


>> Anyone that owns xD would almost certainly have a compatible card reader
>> and could copy all of the images to be printed to an SD card.
>
> Yes, experienced and knowledgeable digital photographers like you could.
> For peons like me, I would probably lose the SD card among the clutter
> of my computer room/office.

I highly doubt that you don't have the experience and knowledge
necessary to copy files to a card. Nor do I think that anyone
owning a camera and computer could be classified as a "peon" that
couldn't afford to buy a $10 SD card. And the number of photos that
that $10 card could hold, when printed as 4"x6" snapshots, would not
only cost far more than $10 but it would be a recurring expense,
whereas the $10 card would be a one-time expense. If you, or the
hypothetical xD card owner would probably lose an SD card in the
clutter of the computer room/office, the xD card used by the camera
would be just as likely to be lost. What you're essentially saying
is that technology has gone too far, and what will save us is we are
forced to return back to the good old days, since it would be so
much harder to lose several dozen 35mm film cassettes where one tiny
SD card could hold as many shots as all of those cassettes. <g>
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

ASAAR <caught.DeleteThis@22.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, do you not know how much those adapters cost, or
> is there some hidden point you're trying to make? If it's that
> they're prohibitively expensive, you could simply copy the pictures
> to a reusable CDRW disk. Unless, that is, kiosks of the future also
> eliminate CD drives. If CDRW disks present compatibility problems,
> non-reusable CDR disks could be used instead, if 20 cents per disk
> wouldn't break the bank.

OK, you win! I'll go right out and buy an xD card, even though
it won't fit in any camera I own.

One thing that puzzles me is why my local Fuji Frontier kiosk
does not accept USB key memory cards. That seems the easiest way
to transfer images for printing.

I never paid money for a CDRW disc, because the one that came free
with our drive stopped working after a short time.
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

On 22 Feb 2007 20:14:56 -0800, Bill Tuthill wrote:

>> Out of curiosity, do you not know how much those adapters cost, or
>> is there some hidden point you're trying to make? If it's that
>> they're prohibitively expensive, you could simply copy the pictures
>> to a reusable CDRW disk. Unless, that is, kiosks of the future also
>> eliminate CD drives. If CDRW disks present compatibility problems,
>> non-reusable CDR disks could be used instead, if 20 cents per disk
>> wouldn't break the bank.
>
> OK, you win! I'll go right out and buy an xD card, even though
> it won't fit in any camera I own.

Ok, that isn't necessary. I have several xD cameras and I'll
trade you one. Seriously, I didn't think this was about trying
to force the use of an xD card in a camera that uses CF cards. I've
done that though, mainly to see if it would work, and I can say that
the xD cards tried in several Canon Powershots worked perfectly. I
thought that the discussion was headed in the direction of trying to
show that purchasing a camera that uses xD cards would be unwise if
someday soon no kiosk would accept xD cards. If that happened, I'd
still be able to read my xD cards using either my computer's
built-in reader or an external USB reader, and then would be able to
copy files onto whatever card types are still readable by the kiosk.


> One thing that puzzles me is why my local Fuji Frontier kiosk
> does not accept USB key memory cards. That seems the easiest way
> to transfer images for printing.

It does seem logical, but my guess would be that there's inertial
in the system and new kiosk designs lag the introduction of new user
hardware. USB key and thumb drives are more recent innovations and
maybe the next kiosk generation will accept them, if there aren't
any that already do.


> I never paid money for a CDRW disc, because the one that came free
> with our drive stopped working after a short time.

Well gee, that's the kind of situation that cries out for the need
to buy more! <g> Was it a bad disk, one that wasn't completely
compatible with the drive or maybe the drive had problems?
 >> Stay informed about: Fuji Finepix F30 vs Olympus Mju 740? 

ASAAR <caught.TakeThisOut@22.com> wrote:
>
>> I never paid money for a CDRW disc, because the one that came free
>> with our drive stopped working after a short time.
>
> Well gee, that's the kind of situation that cries out for the need
> to buy more! <g> Was it a bad disk, one that wasn't completely
> compatible with the drive or maybe the drive had problems?

I don't know. Maybe my daughter mistakenly used CDR write option?
But here's an article from slashdot.org that mentions CDRW reliability:

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/09/01/1548259&mode=thread

"Careful -- most CD-RW discs have a very finite (and frequently
lower than you'd expect) number of writes that can be performed
in a given area. If you're constantly re-arranging and saving data
to your CD-RW's in this manner, it will wear it out rather quickly."

OTOH, the Wikipedia article says they can be rewritten 1000 times,
but the same article says CDR has longevity of 100 years (cough).
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