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Since: Nov 30, 2006 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:23 pm
Post subject: Feasability of repairing dead 1394 connector on Sony Dig8 camcorder? Archived from groups: rec>video>desktop, others (more info?)
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Have a Sony Digital8 and it appears the 1394 port has died. I have a 6
foot and 10 foot firewire cables. Never had a problem with the 6-foot
cable but the connection on the 10-foot has always been iffy - if it
got jostled the right way I lost the connection to the computer.
However because of where I needed the cam to be, the 6-foot connection
wasn't long enough. Upon close inspection of the ends on both, the
height of the contacts didn't seem exactly the same. So I did a little
light squeezing of the 10-foot cable's end with needlenose pliers to
adjust it a hair.
Plugged it into the 1394 port and got nothing no matter what. Then when
plugging in the previously dependable 6-foot cable, got nothing from
that either. Tried wiggling both at various angles to see if I could
establish any connection, get nothing on 2 different computers. So,
obviously something's wrong.
1) Any suggestions for remedies I might try on a DIY basis? An chance
it could be a mechanical physical contact issue and not an internal
fried chip/circuit issue?
2) Any idea what cost for such a repair would likely run? The problem
is, without a 1394 connection, the cam is kinda pointless. Yes, it has
analog out which works but the whole point of the Digital Cam is to be
able to create DV files.
3) Are the 1394 connectors generally fragile or are there brands with
ports that are more robust than others? What do you think I might have
done to cause this or was it possibly just a coincidence? I didn't poke
around the port on the cam at all, just tweaked the end of the one
cable a small amount.
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Since: Dec 01, 2006 Posts: 1
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:56 am
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Doc wrote:
> Have a Sony Digital8 and it appears the 1394 port has died. I have a 6
> foot and 10 foot firewire cables. Never had a problem with the 6-foot
> cable but the connection on the 10-foot has always been iffy - if it
> got jostled the right way I lost the connection to the computer.
> However because of where I needed the cam to be, the 6-foot connection
> wasn't long enough. Upon close inspection of the ends on both, the
> height of the contacts didn't seem exactly the same. So I did a little
> light squeezing of the 10-foot cable's end with needlenose pliers to
> adjust it a hair.
>
> Plugged it into the 1394 port and got nothing no matter what. Then when
> plugging in the previously dependable 6-foot cable, got nothing from
> that either. Tried wiggling both at various angles to see if I could
> establish any connection, get nothing on 2 different computers. So,
> obviously something's wrong.
>
> 1) Any suggestions for remedies I might try on a DIY basis? An chance
> it could be a mechanical physical contact issue and not an internal
> fried chip/circuit issue?
>
> 2) Any idea what cost for such a repair would likely run? The problem
> is, without a 1394 connection, the cam is kinda pointless. Yes, it has
> analog out which works but the whole point of the Digital Cam is to be
> able to create DV files.
>
> 3) Are the 1394 connectors generally fragile or are there brands with
> ports that are more robust than others? What do you think I might have
> done to cause this or was it possibly just a coincidence? I didn't poke
> around the port on the cam at all, just tweaked the end of the one
> cable a small amount.
>
> Thanks for all input.
>
If you connected a 6 pin cable to the camera or PC port while the
camera is on their is a risk of blowing the IEEE port on the camera.
The 6 pin plug runs an active power lead and any mis-alignment might get
the volts onto the wrong pin and poooooffffff! Sony charges like a
roaring bull to replace a card.
Alternatively it might still be just the cable. Borrow a known good
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Since: Apr 03, 2006 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:56 am
Post subject: Re: Feasability of repairing dead 1394 connector on Sony Dig8 camcorder? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 11/30/2006, Robert posted this:
> Doc wrote:
>> Have a Sony Digital8 and it appears the 1394 port has died. I have a 6
>> foot and 10 foot firewire cables. Never had a problem with the 6-foot
>> cable but the connection on the 10-foot has always been iffy - if it
>> got jostled the right way I lost the connection to the computer.
>> However because of where I needed the cam to be, the 6-foot connection
>> wasn't long enough. Upon close inspection of the ends on both, the
>> height of the contacts didn't seem exactly the same. So I did a little
>> light squeezing of the 10-foot cable's end with needlenose pliers to
>> adjust it a hair.
>>
>> Plugged it into the 1394 port and got nothing no matter what. Then when
>> plugging in the previously dependable 6-foot cable, got nothing from
>> that either. Tried wiggling both at various angles to see if I could
>> establish any connection, get nothing on 2 different computers. So,
>> obviously something's wrong.
>>
>> 1) Any suggestions for remedies I might try on a DIY basis? An chance
>> it could be a mechanical physical contact issue and not an internal
>> fried chip/circuit issue?
>>
>> 2) Any idea what cost for such a repair would likely run? The problem
>> is, without a 1394 connection, the cam is kinda pointless. Yes, it has
>> analog out which works but the whole point of the Digital Cam is to be
>> able to create DV files.
>>
>> 3) Are the 1394 connectors generally fragile or are there brands with
>> ports that are more robust than others? What do you think I might have
>> done to cause this or was it possibly just a coincidence? I didn't poke
>> around the port on the cam at all, just tweaked the end of the one
>> cable a small amount.
>>
>> Thanks for all input.
>>
> If you connected a 6 pin cable to the camera or PC port while the camera is
> on their is a risk of blowing the IEEE port on the camera. The 6 pin plug
> runs an active power lead and any mis-alignment might get the volts onto the
> wrong pin and poooooffffff! Sony charges like a roaring bull to replace a
> card.
> Alternatively it might still be just the cable. Borrow a known good one
> and try it.
Usually the camera end is 4-pin, and there should never be any power
there, absent an internal short at the 6-pin end - which might not even
have 6 pins in the shell, for all I know. OK, just looked at one - it
does have six pins at the big end.
FWIW, the RS-232 spec explicitly states that the interface electronics
will be immune to any short-circuit or misconnection of the pins. I
have no idea if USB and FireWire have such a provision, but it *would*
be nice.
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Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
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Since: Apr 15, 2006 Posts: 52
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:51 am
Post subject: Re: Feasability of repairing dead 1394 connector on Sony Dig8 camcorder? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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We lost the Firewire port on two different Canon camcorders, and
discussed this with a guy at our best photo store in the area. He
claims on the Canon and many other camcorders the 1394 interface is on
a daughterboard, and the wires connecting it to the main board are very
fragile. We are not sure if this is the problem or not- the day
before we noticed the lack of 1394, we had left the cameras in a very
hot car trunk for an extended period of time.
He claimed repair on the cheaper Canon would likely be around 200
bucks- the more expensive one (GL2) would be more. Our solution was to
buy a 250 buck camcorder to act as a Firewire deck, plus it is another
backup camera. We'll take great pains with this one to protect it from
both shock and heat.
BTW, we also lost the Firewire connection on the motherboard of our
main video editing computer. As far as I am concerned, Firewire does
not seem to be very robust as far as hardware is concerned
Doc wrote:
> Have a Sony Digital8 and it appears the 1394 port has died. I have a 6
> foot and 10 foot firewire cables. Never had a problem with the 6-foot
> cable but the connection on the 10-foot has always been iffy - if it
> got jostled the right way I lost the connection to the computer.
> However because of where I needed the cam to be, the 6-foot connection
> wasn't long enough. Upon close inspection of the ends on both, the
> height of the contacts didn't seem exactly the same. So I did a little
> light squeezing of the 10-foot cable's end with needlenose pliers to
> adjust it a hair.
>
> Plugged it into the 1394 port and got nothing no matter what. Then when
> plugging in the previously dependable 6-foot cable, got nothing from
> that either. Tried wiggling both at various angles to see if I could
> establish any connection, get nothing on 2 different computers. So,
> obviously something's wrong.
>
> 1) Any suggestions for remedies I might try on a DIY basis? An chance
> it could be a mechanical physical contact issue and not an internal
> fried chip/circuit issue?
>
> 2) Any idea what cost for such a repair would likely run? The problem
> is, without a 1394 connection, the cam is kinda pointless. Yes, it has
> analog out which works but the whole point of the Digital Cam is to be
> able to create DV files.
>
> 3) Are the 1394 connectors generally fragile or are there brands with
> ports that are more robust than others? What do you think I might have
> done to cause this or was it possibly just a coincidence? I didn't poke
> around the port on the cam at all, just tweaked the end of the one
> cable a small amount.
>
> Thanks for all input. >> Stay informed about: Feasability of repairing dead 1394 connector on Sony Dig8 .. |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:55 am
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"Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree.DeleteThis@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.f50c7d6b621442b6.1980@nobody.invalid...
> FWIW, the RS-232 spec explicitly states that the interface electronics
> will be immune to any short-circuit or misconnection of the pins. I
> have no idea if USB and FireWire have such a provision, but it *would*
> be nice.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:55 am
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Since: Sep 18, 2005 Posts: 12
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:55 am
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Since: Nov 19, 2006 Posts: 268
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:56 am
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On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:36:28 +0000, Doc wrote:
> "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree RemoveThis @nobody.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.f50c7d6b621442b6.1980@nobody.invalid...
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>> FWIW, the RS-232 spec explicitly states that the interface electronics
>> will be immune to any short-circuit or misconnection of the pins. I
>> have no idea if USB and FireWire have such a provision, but it *would*
>> be nice.
>
> Can you advise what RS-232 is? What relation does this have to Firewire?
The standard serial interface, used for modems, printers, mice, and all
sorts of other things before USB came along. Has some advantages over
USB, like it works fine from one end of a building to the other and you
can easily make your own cables, but isn't designed to support hubs with
multiple attachments and is relatively slow, especially compared to USB2
Hi-speed.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
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Since: Dec 22, 2005 Posts: 201
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:50 am
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In article <1164984690.952850.102580 RemoveThis @79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
<stauffer RemoveThis @usfamily.net> wrote:
> BTW, we also lost the Firewire connection on the motherboard of our
> main video editing computer. As far as I am concerned, Firewire does
> not seem to be very robust as far as hardware is concerned
It doesn't seem that way, does it? It's reasonably common to have a
component destroyed by a bad cable or bridge board.
One big issue is loose specs and less than stellar design of the
connector itself. It's surprisingly easy to insert a 6-pin connector
backwards, and this will almost always blow something, as the power
lines get connected to signal. A bad cable can do the same thing;
4-to-4 pin connections are safe, but 4-to-6 and 6-to-6 cables pose a
similar risk.
Since the number of devices actually powered from the FireWire
connector is quite small, I've taken to using specialty cables which
MAY have 6 pin physical connectors at one or both ends, but never have
more than 4 pins or lines actually present. I also (though the
interface is rated plug-and-play) no longer connect or disconnect when
anything is powered up.
I've had the experience of a bad FireWire-to-ATA bridge board (in an
Imation tape drive) taking out three motherboard FireWire circuits
before I caught on.
On the plus side, once you get it connected, it works MUCH better than
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Since: Apr 03, 2006 Posts: 18
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:04 am
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On 12/01/2006, J. Clarke posted this:
> On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:36:28 +0000, Doc wrote:
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>> "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree.RemoveThis@nobody.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:mn.f50c7d6b621442b6.1980@nobody.invalid...
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>>> FWIW, the RS-232 spec explicitly states that the interface electronics
>>> will be immune to any short-circuit or misconnection of the pins. I
>>> have no idea if USB and FireWire have such a provision, but it *would*
>>> be nice.
>>
>> Can you advise what RS-232 is? What relation does this have to Firewire?
>
> The standard serial interface, used for modems, printers, mice, and all
> sorts of other things before USB came along. Has some advantages over
> USB, like it works fine from one end of a building to the other and you
> can easily make your own cables, but isn't designed to support hubs with
> multiple attachments and is relatively slow, especially compared to USB2
> Hi-speed.
Not to mention that it was often a challenge to get RS-232 to work.
--
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:08 am
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On 12/01/2006, Doc posted this:
> "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree RemoveThis @nobody.invalid> wrote in message
> news:mn.f50c7d6b621442b6.1980@nobody.invalid...
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>> FWIW, the RS-232 spec explicitly states that the interface electronics
>> will be immune to any short-circuit or misconnection of the pins. I
>> have no idea if USB and FireWire have such a provision, but it *would*
>> be nice.
>
> Can you advise what RS-232 is? What relation does this have to Firewire?
Others answered the first question. That you had to ask made them feel
old, and to tell the truth, it also makes me feel old
I thought the second was obvious...
OK - I gave an example of a useful property of an older spec and
suggested - or at least hoped - that the newer one might, by analogy
and good engineering, have the same property.
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Gene E. Bloch (Gino)
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:09 am
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:27 pm
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2006 12:40:53 +0200, in 'rec.video.desktop',
in article <Re: Feasability of repairing dead 1394 connector on Sony
Dig8 camcorder?>,
"Jukka Aho" <jukka.aho.RemoveThis@iki.fi> wrote:
>Doc wrote:
>
>> "Gene E. Bloch" <spamfree.RemoveThis@nobody.invalid> wrote
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>>> FWIW, the RS-232 spec explicitly states that [...]
>
>> Can you advise what RS-232 is? What relation does this have
>> to Firewire?
>
>Now I'm feeling old...
LOL.
Me, too.
--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:56 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:22 pm
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Doc wrote:
> Have a Sony Digital8 and it appears the 1394 port has died. I have a 6
> foot and 10 foot firewire cables. Never had a problem with the 6-foot
> cable but the connection on the 10-foot has always been iffy - if it
> got jostled the right way I lost the connection to the computer.
> However because of where I needed the cam to be, the 6-foot connection
> wasn't long enough. Upon close inspection of the ends on both, the
> height of the contacts didn't seem exactly the same. So I did a little
> light squeezing of the 10-foot cable's end with needlenose pliers to
> adjust it a hair.
>
> Plugged it into the 1394 port and got nothing no matter what. Then when
> plugging in the previously dependable 6-foot cable, got nothing from
> that either. Tried wiggling both at various angles to see if I could
> establish any connection, get nothing on 2 different computers. So,
> obviously something's wrong.
>
> 1) Any suggestions for remedies I might try on a DIY basis? An chance
> it could be a mechanical physical contact issue and not an internal
> fried chip/circuit issue?
>
> 2) Any idea what cost for such a repair would likely run? The problem
> is, without a 1394 connection, the cam is kinda pointless. Yes, it has
> analog out which works but the whole point of the Digital Cam is to be
> able to create DV files.
>
> 3) Are the 1394 connectors generally fragile or are there brands with
> ports that are more robust than others? What do you think I might have
> done to cause this or was it possibly just a coincidence? I didn't poke
> around the port on the cam at all, just tweaked the end of the one
> cable a small amount.
>
> Thanks for all input.
>
If you squeezed the cable a wee bit too hard and closed up one of the
female connector pins a trifle too far, inserting the plug may have
driven the corresponding pin in the socket backwards far enough to not
make contact. If so, you may be able to get to the back of the socket
and push the pin forward again, but it will be loosened and may never
stay in place.
In that case, a new socket would seem to be required.
Colin D.
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