Panasonic FZ20K vs FZ20BB

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:41:07 -0600, David Bindle <david.bindle.RemoveThis@usask.ca> wrote:
> I think S= Silver B= Black (BB=Basic Black???)
>
> From the bottom of these webpages:
> "The DMC-FZ20S has a 12x optical lens system that is equivalent to 36mm to
> 432mm in a 35mm film camera. It comprises 13 lenses in eight groups,
> including three aspherical lenses and boasts F2.8 brightness across the
> entire zoom range.
>
> Plus, the DMC-FZ20K also provides 4x digital zooming--combine that with the
> 12x optical zoom to get up to 48x zoom power for ultra-long-distance
> telephoto shots."
>
> So this means that the regular FZ20 doesn't have 4X digital zooming??

I'm pretty sure it does support digital zoom. Panasonic's webpage
mentions the FZ20K and FZ20S, both of which 'feature' 4x digital zoom,
and apparently differ only in color (K==black, S==Silver).

The original poster might also wish to consider the fact that the
follow-on to the FZ20, the FZ30, is due to be released Real Soon Now. If
nothing else, that'll probably mean a price drop for the 20.

By the way, does anyone know what is the intended market for the LC1?
$1600 seems awfully pricey for a fixed-lens camera, no matter how nice
that lens may be. That kind of cash would buy a low-end Canon or Nikon
DSLR plus two or three reasonable lenses.

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Daniel Silevitch wrote:
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> The original poster might also wish to consider the fact that the
> follow-on to the FZ20, the FZ30, is due to be released Real Soon Now.
> If nothing else, that'll probably mean a price drop for the 20.

... or even the FZ5 which is lighter and cheaper, with essentially the same
optics and sensor as the FZ20, but lacking manual focus and a flash
hot-shoe. Also available in black and silver!

David
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:07:01 GMT, David J Taylor <david-taylor.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk.invalid> wrote:
> Daniel Silevitch wrote:
> []
>> The original poster might also wish to consider the fact that the
>> follow-on to the FZ20, the FZ30, is due to be released Real Soon Now.
>> If nothing else, that'll probably mean a price drop for the 20.
>
> .. or even the FZ5 which is lighter and cheaper, with essentially the same
> optics and sensor as the FZ20, but lacking manual focus and a flash
> hot-shoe. Also available in black and silver!

That too. I have an FZ5, and would recommend it highly for anyone
looking for a superzoom point&shoot.

-dms
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Daniel Silevitch wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:41:07 -0600, David Bindle <david.bindle.DeleteThis@usask.ca> wrote:

> By the way, does anyone know what is the intended market for the LC1?
> $1600 seems awfully pricey for a fixed-lens camera, no matter how nice
> that lens may be. That kind of cash would buy a low-end Canon or Nikon
> DSLR plus two or three reasonable lenses.
>
> -dms

It's aimed at David J Taylor.

It's really targeting people who want absolutely best quality in build
construction, picture quality and don't want to be a prey for wanting to
buy more lenses and don't want to carry 10 lbs of equipment. We shall
see if Panasonic has sold enough to make them want to continue this line.
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laocmo.TakeThisOut@copper.net wrote:
> Ready to buy a Panasonic FZ20 when I see now Panasonic FZ20K and FZ20BB
> advertised for same price. What is the difference? Looks identical
> spec-wise. Thanks!

The B is black and the K silver, IIRC. I've never seen a silver FZ10 or
20in the UK so can't comment on how they look in the flesh, but I don't like
the look of them on t'interweb.

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l e o wrote:
> Daniel Silevitch wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:41:07 -0600, David Bindle
>> <david.bindle DeleteThis @usask.ca> wrote:
>
>> By the way, does anyone know what is the intended market for the LC1?
>> $1600 seems awfully pricey for a fixed-lens camera, no matter how
>> nice that lens may be. That kind of cash would buy a low-end Canon or
>> Nikon DSLR plus two or three reasonable lenses.
>>
>> -dms
>
> It's aimed at David J Taylor.

Not for me! Too heavy, not enough telephoto zoom, no image stabilisation.

Admittedly the 8.8 x 6.6mm 5MP sensor is a good combination, and the
bounce flash is nice!

<G>

David
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David J Taylor <david-taylor DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.not-this-bit.nor-this-part.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> It's aimed at David J Taylor.
>
> Not for me! Too heavy, not enough telephoto zoom, no image stabilisation.
>

Judging by the cost, large sensor, Leica lens, very manual controls and
emphasis on raw mode, the LC1 and its Digilux 2 sibling are aimed at
very serious amateurs (probably Leica users already!) who want to branch out
into digital photography and retain as much of the feel of a film camera
as possible and as much control as possible over the end results.

Lovely cameras (and with a lot of 'snob appeal' in the case of the
Leica version), but definitely not right for me -- they're clearly
aimed at people who see themselves as 'serious photographers' rather
than people who enjoy photography but mainly want a camera to record
other leisure-time activities. I'd love that big sensor and the very
trad manual controls, but I *need* the zoom and stabilisation that the
cheaper FZs give me!

(Never mind, manual zoom ring on the '30... hmmmmm.... have to buy one
next year )

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Vic Dura wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:42:21 +1200, Ian Orchard
> <Ian.Orchard.DeleteThis@ihug.co.nz.spamblok> wrote:
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> >I have a silver FZ20, it was great right up until they announced the
> >FZ30.
>
> What will the improvements be of the FZ30 over the FZ20?

According to the dpreview review page for the FZ30, it is improved in a
couple of ways and (perhaps) worse in another.
Improved in that the FZ30 is 8mp (compared to the 5mp FZ20) and the
zoom is controlled by a mechanical ring (in adition to a focus-by-wire
ring like the FZ20 has).
The only thing to go "backwards" is that the FZ30 lens is not a
constant f2.8 over the whole zoom range, as the FZ20 lens is.
One thing that I don't realy know is an improvement or not is that the
lens does not retract like the FZ20 lens does when it is turned off.
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On 11 Aug 2005 06:19:12 -0700, dj_nme DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:

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>Vic Dura wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:42:21 +1200, Ian Orchard
>> <Ian.Orchard DeleteThis @ihug.co.nz.spamblok> wrote:
>>
>> >I have a silver FZ20, it was great right up until they announced the
>> >FZ30.
>>
>> What will the improvements be of the FZ30 over the FZ20?
>
>According to the dpreview review page for the FZ30, it is improved in a
>couple of ways and (perhaps) worse in another.
>Improved in that the FZ30 is 8mp (compared to the 5mp FZ20) and the
>zoom is controlled by a mechanical ring (in adition to a focus-by-wire
>ring like the FZ20 has).

That sounds pretty nice. I wonder how the price will compare to the
FZ20?
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On 11 Aug 2005 06:19:12 -0700, dj_nme.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com <dj_nme.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Vic Dura wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:42:21 +1200, Ian Orchard
>> <Ian.Orchard.TakeThisOut@ihug.co.nz.spamblok> wrote:
>>
>> >I have a silver FZ20, it was great right up until they announced the
>> >FZ30.
>>
>> What will the improvements be of the FZ30 over the FZ20?
>
> According to the dpreview review page for the FZ30, it is improved in a
> couple of ways and (perhaps) worse in another.
> Improved in that the FZ30 is 8mp (compared to the 5mp FZ20) and the
> zoom is controlled by a mechanical ring (in adition to a focus-by-wire
> ring like the FZ20 has).
> The only thing to go "backwards" is that the FZ30 lens is not a
> constant f2.8 over the whole zoom range, as the FZ20 lens is.

That was sort of necessitated by the bigger sensor. To keep the wide
aperture at full zoom, the whole lens assembly would have had to grow in
diameter.

A few other new features: The LCD can now fold out and
swivel/tilt. There's an 'Extended Optical Zoom' mode which really is a
sensible digital zoom, where the camera automatically crops (but doesn't
upsample) the image. It has a couple of control dials for easy manual
setting of aperture/shutter controls.

> One thing that I don't realy know is an improvement or not is that the
> lens does not retract like the FZ20 lens does when it is turned off.

Plus: Faster startup time, space for zoom&focus rings on lens body
Minus: Bigger size when turned off

-dms
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In article <6u2ddd.t96.ln.TakeThisOut@fenelon.com>, Pete Fenelon <pete.TakeThisOut@fenelon.com>
wrote:

> > Ready to buy a Panasonic FZ20 when I see now Panasonic FZ20K and FZ20BB
> > advertised for same price. What is the difference? Looks identical
> > spec-wise. Thanks!
>
> The B is black and the K silver, IIRC. I've never seen a silver FZ10 or
> 20in the UK so can't comment on how they look in the flesh, but I don't like
> the look of them on t'interweb.

My guess is that BB is Black Body, but then K could also be black as in
CMYK. Does it matter?

I have a silver FZ20, it was great right up until they announced the
FZ30. Color-wise, I prefer the silver only because it doesn't get so hot
in the sun, not that it gets that much chance or that it would matter
that much anyway. Whatever lights your wick.




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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:42:21 +1200, Ian Orchard
<Ian.Orchard.RemoveThis@ihug.co.nz.spamblok> wrote:

>I have a silver FZ20, it was great right up until they announced the
>FZ30.

What will the improvements be of the FZ30 over the FZ20?
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......I wonder how the price will compare to the FZ20?.......


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