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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:03 pm
Post subject: Re: Olympus E1 vs. E500 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <4g6ndcF1lmuhkU3 DeleteThis @individual.net>, Stacey says...
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>> I actually did some "heads up" testing between my E1 and E300 and found
>> there is almost zero difference in final resolution between the 8MP E300
>> file and an E1 file upsampled to the same size. Seems the E1 pixels are
>> sharper/cleaner than the E300 ones? Both were shot RAW and developed in
>> Studio 1.4.
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> This would mean that the lens you used with the E300 is so bad that it
> is limited to 5MP resolution. Obviously a camera with an 8MP sensor will
> produce higher resolution images than a camera with a 5MP sensor, unless
> the lens sucks.
You think that nothing other than the MP rating reflects the actual
resolution a sensor can record? Here's a clue: different AA filters.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:09 pm
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <4g6n7qF1lmuhkU2.TakeThisOut@individual.net>, Stacey says...
>> Alfred Molon wrote:
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>> > In article <1151183447.750171.275140.TakeThisOut@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> > Progressiveabsolution says...
>> >> Question for those that have owned both:
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>> >> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a
>> >> benefit over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
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>> > Of course. 5MP are not enough for a 12x18 print.
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>> BS. 5 -GOOD- MP are plenty.
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> 5MP on an E1: 2560 x 1920, which translates to 142 ppi for a 18" print.
While looks fine for most subjects if they are GOOD sharp pixels. Some
smeary, noise reduced, over AA filtered sensors can't make prints this size
from 5MP, that I'll agree to.
> Quite far away from 300 ppi, the industry standard.
Standard for whom? Yes if you're taking pictures of boring subjects whose
only interest is you can see a flag pole 1/4 of a mile away using a loupe
on the print, I guess that's a "standard"? I've had no problem making
REALLY good 11X14 prints and the 16X20 look fine for most subjects. IMHO
the E300 does no better.
BTW how many times have you used an E1 and made prints this size? Or are you
yet ANOTHER canon user bashing a camera they have never used...
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:17 am
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"Alfred Molon" <DELETEalfred_molon.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1151183447.750171.275140.DeleteThis@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> Progressiveabsolution says...
>> Question for those that have owned both:
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>> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
>> over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
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> Of course. 5MP are not enough for a 12x18 print.
<--- I wonder how my 2.74 mpx produces a 20x30" print. >> Stay informed about: Olympus E1 vs. E500 |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:17 am
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In article <449ea8ea$0$6625$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, "[BnH]" <b18[at]ii[dot]net> says...
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> "Alfred Molon" <DELETEalfred_molon.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1f07d5eeebd84e8a98b091@news.supernews.com...
> > In article <1151183447.750171.275140.TakeThisOut@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > Progressiveabsolution says...
> >> Question for those that have owned both:
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> >> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
> >> over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
> >
> > Of course. 5MP are not enough for a 12x18 print.
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> <--- I wonder how my 2.74 mpx produces a 20x30" print.
You can interpolate the image to whatever you want - even to 200x300" or
even a 2000x3000", but it won't be sharp.
2.74MP at 20x30" means 50 dpi.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:22 am
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What type of photography are you doing ?
E-1 + 14-45 lens + FL-50 flash are QUITE useless for candid photography.
I used one a while back, the flash recharge is slow [compared to my Nikon
SB-800] , the AF assist does not help much also on dim lighting.
My suggestion .. get the 14-54 lens first , then couple your E-1 with a Metz
hammerhead flash if you are doing wedding.
If you do potraits, the FL-36 do quite well for most situation [price vs
performance against the FL-50]
"Progressiveabsolution" <progressiveabsolution.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the help. Now it's time to search for a flash for this
> camera system. Any CHEAP, but good flashes? I like stuff such as
> Metz, but there may be other viable options. I don't want to get
> anything too imposing looking, but what are the options, really, when
> it's for an DSLR/SLR type camera.
> >> Stay informed about: Olympus E1 vs. E500 |
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:27 am
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In article <1151201590.993863.122640.DeleteThis@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"Progressiveabsolution" <progressiveabsolution.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> where do you see the differences and what is the
> "extra" information that shows up with the E330 but not with the E1?
The difference is most visible with a subject like a garden or so, with
lots of small detail. A portrait on the other hand will usually scale
very well. (the very large prints were also portraits)
Note that a change from 5 to 10 MP is only a 41% increase. Scaling an
image to 141% will hardly have negative effects if the original image is
good. (But of course you could do this to a 10mp image too, giving 20mp)
MP's are quite relative and I find the lens is of much higher importance
to image-quality.
Lourens >> Stay informed about: Olympus E1 vs. E500 |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:39 am
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In article <1151255050.781157.6670 DeleteThis @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"tomm42" <tmonego DeleteThis @wildblue.net> wrote:
> The only thing
> I don't like is that the lenses are extremely expensive, a 50 macro (a
> lens I have to have with any camera system) is $450, vs $397 for the
> Nikon 60 micro (macro).
Hint: the zuiko is 1 stop (100%) faster. You seem to think that's not
worth the staggering 10% price difference? There's also a $199 35mm
macro lens by the way.
Now compare the 14-54 and 17-55DX in price, and maybe the 50-200 and the
70-200 Nikkor? (Yeah I know it has VR) Or the 200mm f/2VR and the 150mm
f/2 zuiko.
That the zuikos are "extremely expensive" is just nonsense.
Lourens >> Stay informed about: Olympus E1 vs. E500 |
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:59 am
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In article <4g88fuF1l6u0aU2.DeleteThis@individual.net>, Stacey says...
> You think that nothing other than the MP rating reflects the actual
> resolution a sensor can record? Here's a clue: different AA filters.
You mean that the E500 has an AA filter which takes away too much
resolution? Why would Olympus do that? It would place the E500 in a
disadvantage compared to the competition (350D etc.).
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 8:01 am
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:41 am
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Stacey wrote:
> Progressiveabsolution wrote:
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>> Question for those that have owned both:
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> Hands down, get the E1. It's not even a question in my mind which one to
> get. The extra 3MP the E500 has aren't as "good per pixel" pixels so the
> difference in print isn't visible.
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Agreed, while I don't own either, I have used the E1 and the E300 a fair
bit. The E1 does have slightly lower resolution, but it isn't really
noticeable in prints. What is noticeable however is that the E1 has
lower noise (especially noticeable in low light), greater dynamic range,
more accurate colour, and as a camera just seems to handle much better.
My choice would also be the E1. Whichever one you use though, it is
better with the 14-54 than the 14-45 lens.
I haven't yet used an E500, but from what I can tell it is basically an
E300 in a more conventionally styled body. I have had a small play with
the E330, although not enough to tell how good/bad it is. >> Stay informed about: Olympus E1 vs. E500 |
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:00 am
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <4g88fuF1l6u0aU2.DeleteThis@individual.net>, Stacey says...
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>> You think that nothing other than the MP rating reflects the actual
>> resolution a sensor can record? Here's a clue: different AA filters.
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> You mean that the E500 has an AA filter which takes away too much
> resolution? Why would Olympus do that?
Same reason canon uses a stronger AA filter than nikon. Read up on AA
filters and maybe you'll understand some of this stuff.
> It would place the E500 in a
> disadvantage compared to the competition (350D etc.).
Actually the AA filter is about like the one canon uses.. It's probably why
you can't fathom a 5MP camera being capable of decent large prints, you've
never shot with anything but a canon and expect everything to be like a
canon.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 3:01 am
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <4g88rfF1lvakdU1 DeleteThis @individual.net>, Stacey says...
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>> Or are you
>> yet ANOTHER canon user bashing a camera they have never used...
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> Have you ever checked my signature?
Again have you ever used an E1 to make all these claims you are making? I
have NO idea what camera you use from your sig line.
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