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Progressiveabsolution

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:10 pm
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Question for those that have owned both:

1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?

2) How small is the viewfinder in the E500 compared to the E1? Is it
that much of a difference?

3) Does one camera produce better images than the other (speaking
about color/the look/etc.)?


I've researched the two extensively but have not found this info. All
I have found is what the pros/cons are of each camera which doesn't
tell me if the 8MP is obvious over the 5MP, if the quality of the photo
looks any different coming from one digital machine vs. the other
digital machine, and if the view finder of the E1 is larger enough to
make the E500 a much more difficult tool to manual focus with (all my
use will be manual focus).

Thanks to any and all that can help!!!

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Progressiveabsolution

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:13 pm
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Lourens Smak wrote:
> In article <1151183447.750171.275140 DeleteThis @c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Progressiveabsolution" <progressiveabsolution DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Question for those that have owned both:
> >
> > 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
> > over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
> >
> > 2) How small is the viewfinder in the E500 compared to the E1? Is it
> > that much of a difference?
> >
> > 3) Does one camera produce better images than the other (speaking
> > about color/the look/etc.)?
> >
> >
> > I've researched the two extensively but have not found this info. All
> > I have found is what the pros/cons are of each camera which doesn't
> > tell me if the 8MP is obvious over the 5MP, if the quality of the photo
> > looks any different coming from one digital machine vs. the other
> > digital machine, and if the view finder of the E1 is larger enough to
> > make the E500 a much more difficult tool to manual focus with (all my
> > use will be manual focus).
>
> If you want to use manual focus, the E-330 is the obvious choice. It
> lets you focus using a 10x enlarged part of the image of the real
> imaging sensor. (you can move a little frame around the image to select
> the part that you want to focus on.) The display image is also big of
> course and you can view it using both eyes, like the screen of a
> Hasselblad. The viewfinder of the E1 is much better than the E330's SLR
> viewfinder, but that one is perfectly useable too. (at least for me.)
>
> I own the E1 and the E330 but can't comment on the E500...never used one.
> The 330 images have more detail (a bit) than the E1 but if this is very
> noticeable also depends on the subject, for example. Also, the
> lens+aperture used will have some influence. Kit-lens wide open with 8MP
> could resolve less detail than the 14-54 at f/5.6 on the E1. I haven't
> really tested this btw, I can't be bothered; both are excellent
> camera's. I have seen portraits made with E1, printed at 30x40 inches
> and these looked stunning, but the printing-method is also very
> important to achieve this result.
>
> Wink
> Lourens

Thanks all who have replied. I appreciate it a lot!

The E330 is a nice looking design and I agree with you, having that
viewfinder like a P&S camera not only allows an easier manual focus
method, but more creativity/angle possibilities. I just wish it were
cheaper.

Curious, when you say you can see more detail with the E330, what
exactly are you seeing that the E1 cannot/does not show?

If say you do a 12X16 print, or even that 30X40 print you were talking
about (that's wild), where do you see the differences and what is the
"extra" information that shows up with the E330 but not with the E1?

Thanks again for the response. It's greatly helpful as were the others.
I have now joined the Olympus board for yahoo users.

Regards

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:28 pm
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Progressiveabsolution wrote:
> Question for those that have owned both:
>
> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
> over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
>
> 2) How small is the viewfinder in the E500 compared to the E1? Is it
> that much of a difference?
>
> 3) Does one camera produce better images than the other (speaking
> about color/the look/etc.)?
>
>
> I've researched the two extensively but have not found this info. All
> I have found is what the pros/cons are of each camera which doesn't
> tell me if the 8MP is obvious over the 5MP, if the quality of the photo
> looks any different coming from one digital machine vs. the other
> digital machine, and if the view finder of the E1 is larger enough to
> make the E500 a much more difficult tool to manual focus with (all my
> use will be manual focus).
>
> Thanks to any and all that can help!!!
>
This is a very active forum for E1s and E-500. It should be easy to post
your question here.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1022

Ron

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Where I belong.

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Alfred Molon

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:06 am
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In article <1151183447.750171.275140.RemoveThis@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
Progressiveabsolution says...
> Question for those that have owned both:
>
> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
> over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?

Of course. 5MP are not enough for a 12x18 print.

> 2) How small is the viewfinder in the E500 compared to the E1? Is it
> that much of a difference?
>
> 3) Does one camera produce better images than the other (speaking
> about color/the look/etc.)?
>
>
> I've researched the two extensively but have not found this info. All
> I have found is what the pros/cons are of each camera which doesn't
> tell me if the 8MP is obvious over the 5MP, if the quality of the photo
> looks any different coming from one digital machine vs. the other
> digital machine, and if the view finder of the E1 is larger enough to
> make the E500 a much more difficult tool to manual focus with (all my
> use will be manual focus).

Try asking here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
--

Alfred Molon
------------------------------
Olympus 50X0, 7070, 8080, E300, E330 and E500 forum at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
Olympus E330 resource - http://myolympus.org/E330/
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Lourens Smak

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:51 am
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In article <1151183447.750171.275140.DeleteThis@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Progressiveabsolution" <progressiveabsolution.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Question for those that have owned both:
>
> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
> over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
>
> 2) How small is the viewfinder in the E500 compared to the E1? Is it
> that much of a difference?
>
> 3) Does one camera produce better images than the other (speaking
> about color/the look/etc.)?
>
>
> I've researched the two extensively but have not found this info. All
> I have found is what the pros/cons are of each camera which doesn't
> tell me if the 8MP is obvious over the 5MP, if the quality of the photo
> looks any different coming from one digital machine vs. the other
> digital machine, and if the view finder of the E1 is larger enough to
> make the E500 a much more difficult tool to manual focus with (all my
> use will be manual focus).

If you want to use manual focus, the E-330 is the obvious choice. It
lets you focus using a 10x enlarged part of the image of the real
imaging sensor. (you can move a little frame around the image to select
the part that you want to focus on.) The display image is also big of
course and you can view it using both eyes, like the screen of a
Hasselblad. The viewfinder of the E1 is much better than the E330's SLR
viewfinder, but that one is perfectly useable too. (at least for me.)

I own the E1 and the E330 but can't comment on the E500...never used one.
The 330 images have more detail (a bit) than the E1 but if this is very
noticeable also depends on the subject, for example. Also, the
lens+aperture used will have some influence. Kit-lens wide open with 8MP
could resolve less detail than the 14-54 at f/5.6 on the E1. I haven't
really tested this btw, I can't be bothered; both are excellent
camera's. I have seen portraits made with E1, printed at 30x40 inches
and these looked stunning, but the printing-method is also very
important to achieve this result.

Wink
Lourens
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:01 am
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Progressiveabsolution wrote:

> Question for those that have owned both:
>


Hands down, get the E1. It's not even a question in my mind which one to
get. The extra 3MP the E500 has aren't as "good per pixel" pixels so the
difference in print isn't visible.

--

Stacey
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:02 am
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Alfred Molon wrote:

> In article <1151183447.750171.275140.TakeThisOut@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> Progressiveabsolution says...
>> Question for those that have owned both:
>>
>> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
>> over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
>
> Of course. 5MP are not enough for a 12x18 print.

BS. 5 -GOOD- MP are plenty.

--

Stacey
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:05 am
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Lourens Smak wrote:

>
> I haven't
> really tested this btw, I can't be bothered; both are excellent
> camera's.

I actually did some "heads up" testing between my E1 and E300 and found
there is almost zero difference in final resolution between the 8MP E300
file and an E1 file upsampled to the same size. Seems the E1 pixels are
sharper/cleaner than the E300 ones? Both were shot RAW and developed in
Studio 1.4.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:39 am
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Stacey wrote:
> Progressiveabsolution wrote:
>
> > Question for those that have owned both:
> >
>
>
> Hands down, get the E1. It's not even a question in my mind which one to
> get. The extra 3MP the E500 has aren't as "good per pixel" pixels so the
> difference in print isn't visible.
>
> --
>
> Stacey

Thanks Stacey. I've been doing a lot of viewing with the E1 vs. the
E300/E500 and this is what I have seen:

1) Color "appears" to look better on the E1. It looks closer to the
E500, perhaps, more than the E300...but all in all, when looking at
city, landscape, etc. images from all cameras I can usually point out
which camera took which image (I look on the my four thirds dot com
website since they seem to have the best 4/3 images around the net).

2) I don't know what it is, but I seem to see the E1 looks more uniform
like larger format photos. The E300/E500 have this similar tendency in
a way, but also seem a little less analytical?/correct in this sense.
Maybe it has to do with the lens or I have not see enough shots with
the E300/E500. I was impressed with the $7000 or whatever price lens
the guy put on the E330 for his review. It made the image look like
that uniform look I speak about so I'm guessing it has to do with lens
sharpness and maybe the E300/E500 examples I have seen aren't using the
better lenses.


I must say that I have viewed a TON of images from all these DSLRs
because my experience with the Canon 300D w/kit lens and even my later
experience with the Nikon D70 w/24-70mm Sigma EX lens led to learning
about Contax systems somehow. When I then bought an RX and used
28/35/50mm lenses, I saw how horrible my digital shots were. They I
got the Contax G system and realized things can get even sharper. What
turned me onto this Olympus system is that the images have a much more
palpable/life-like/transparent look that reminds me a lot of Contax G
type or fixed lens film by Contax/Rollei/etc. with slide film. I don't
think it has quite the see-through "effect" of the G system, but it
comes close enough for me.

Thanks for all the help. Now it's time to search for a flash for this
camera system. Any CHEAP, but good flashes? I like stuff such as
Metz, but there may be other viable options. I don't want to get
anything too imposing looking, but what are the options, really, when
it's for an DSLR/SLR type camera.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:04 am
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Stacey wrote:
> Progressiveabsolution wrote:
>
> > Question for those that have owned both:
> >
>
>
> Hands down, get the E1. It's not even a question in my mind which one to
> get. The extra 3MP the E500 has aren't as "good per pixel" pixels so the
> difference in print isn't visible.
>
> --
>
> Stacey

The person I share an office with has the E1, it is a marvelous camera,
very solid, feels like you could hammer nails with it. A shutter that
rivals my Leica M for quiteness. Luminos Landscape said that if you
want a quite DSLR the E1 is your only choice. Before he moved in I
bought a Nikon D200, I like the camera. But if I was doing things that
5mp would be alright the E1 would surely be on my list. The only thing
I don't like is that the lenses are extremely expensive, a 50 macro (a
lens I have to have with any camera system) is $450, vs $397 for the
Nikon 60 micro (macro). That is for a lens with less coverage. It is a
good lens to be sure but I thought the smaller chips were supposed to
bring down the price of lenses. At the price they are going for now it
would be THE Olympus to buy.

Tom
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:33 am
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In article <4g6ndcF1lmuhkU3 DeleteThis @individual.net>, Stacey says...

> I actually did some "heads up" testing between my E1 and E300 and found
> there is almost zero difference in final resolution between the 8MP E300
> file and an E1 file upsampled to the same size. Seems the E1 pixels are
> sharper/cleaner than the E300 ones? Both were shot RAW and developed in
> Studio 1.4.

This would mean that the lens you used with the E300 is so bad that it
is limited to 5MP resolution. Obviously a camera with an 8MP sensor will
produce higher resolution images than a camera with a 5MP sensor, unless
the lens sucks.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
Olympus E330 resource - http://myolympus.org/E330/
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:36 am
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In article <4g6n7qF1lmuhkU2.DeleteThis@individual.net>, Stacey says...
> Alfred Molon wrote:
>
> > In article <1151183447.750171.275140.DeleteThis@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > Progressiveabsolution says...
> >> Question for those that have owned both:
> >>
> >> 1) Does the 8MP really show more information or give the E500 a benefit
> >> over the E1 with prints to say 12X18?
> >
> > Of course. 5MP are not enough for a 12x18 print.
>
> BS. 5 -GOOD- MP are plenty.

5MP on an E1: 2560 x 1920, which translates to 142 ppi for a 18" print.
Quite far away from 300 ppi, the industry standard.
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
Olympus E330 resource - http://myolympus.org/E330/
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:57 pm
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Alfred Molon wrote:

> In article <4g6ndcF1lmuhkU3 DeleteThis @individual.net>, Stacey says...
>
>
>>I actually did some "heads up" testing between my E1 and E300 and found
>>there is almost zero difference in final resolution between the 8MP E300
>>file and an E1 file upsampled to the same size. Seems the E1 pixels are
>>sharper/cleaner than the E300 ones? Both were shot RAW and developed in
>>Studio 1.4.
>
>
> This would mean that the lens you used with the E300 is so bad that it
> is limited to 5MP resolution. Obviously a camera with an 8MP sensor will
> produce higher resolution images than a camera with a 5MP sensor, unless
> the lens sucks.

I didn't note which lenses were used, but in Phil Askey's reviews, the
E1 had an absolute res of 1250/1400, and the E500 had 1650/1800.

Gary Eickmeier
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:01 pm
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>
>5MP on an E1: 2560 x 1920, which translates to 142 ppi for a 18" print.
>Quite far away from 300 ppi, the industry standard.

Don't know about the supposed "industry standard" but I printed some
11x17 prints for my daughter's house from my E1 and even the lady at
the custom lab who sent the prints to Kodak was very impressed.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:00 pm
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Progressiveabsolution wrote:

> Maybe it has to do with the lens or I have not see enough shots with
> the E300/E500.

I'm assuming you would be using a 14-54 on either. Just like the camera
body, the better 14-54 is WELL worth the money and is almost as good for
macro as the dedicated 50mm F2 macro lens is..


>
> Thanks for all the help. Now it's time to search for a flash for this
> camera system. Any CHEAP, but good flashes?

I got the olympus FL36 and it really works great.. Use it a lot with the off
camera cord for TTL auto macro shooting etc.
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