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Since: Oct 02, 2005 Posts: 466
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:56 am
Post subject: Re: Pentax Digital ist and manual Pentax lenses [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: rec>photo>digital (more info?)
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The D is the oldest, uses CF for storage. The DS is newer,
uses SD (as do the others), is faster writing to the card
and has a few minor missing features compared with the D:
the pop-up flash on the D can be used to operate remote
P-TTL flashes wirelessly (the DS can't) and the D has two
"command" wheels, the DS has one. The D has "hyper manual"
mode like some film bodies used, the DS has "plain" manual.
Both the D and DS are "discontinued" but still available
from some suppliers.
The DS2 is a replacement for the DS, with a larger LCD. At
the time of release it also offered some extra functionality
over the DS but Pentax has since released firmware for the
DS which gives the extra features too. So for all practical
purposes the DS2 is just a DS with a bigger LCD.
The DL is a bit more cut-down. It users mirrors instead of a
prism making the viewfinder... different. Some people like
the change - it makes the camera lighter - but I'm not at
all fond of "pentamirror" finders. It also cuts down on
certain other features like it's inability to use TTL flash
(it uses only P-TTL) and a few other bits and pieces.
They're all good cameras which will deliver similar image
quality; the D and DS can often be bought at bargain prices
because of the existence of newer models. I bought the DS
after all consideration, and I'd make the same choice today
based on price/performance. The DS2 is the same camera, I'd
have no hesitation buying one if the price was right. I
wouldn't buy the DL having looked through its viewfinder,
but other opinions will differ. Finally the D... in many
ways it's the "best" of the *ist digitals but showing its
age a little compared with the more recent models. But it's
a fine camera and well worth considering if the price is
right.
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Since: Aug 29, 2005 Posts: 106
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:56 am
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John Bean <waterfoot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The DL is a bit more cut-down. It users mirrors instead of a
> prism making the viewfinder... different. Some people like
> the change - it makes the camera lighter - but I'm not at
> all fond of "pentamirror" finders. It also cuts down on
> certain other features like it's inability to use TTL flash
> (it uses only P-TTL) and a few other bits and pieces.
How can a DSLR do TTL flash? I thought it had to be done
off the film, and because CCDs do not reflect light like film,
it's technically impossible. That's what Minolta says anyway.
Does P-TTL involve preflash?
Thanks, I really appreciated your summary of Pentax DSLR models.
It's just the kind of thing that corporate websites never convey.
The Minolta 7D and 5D hve 2.5" LCD, which is barely large enough.
People my age can't really see anything smaller. According to
photozone.de, *ist-D has 1.8" LCD, *ist-DS has 2", and *ist-DL 2.5".
Is the DS2 same as the DL, 2.5"? I did not know that.
The Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS have better viewfinders than the
KM 7D, which has much better viewfinder than Canon 20D or 350D. >> Stay informed about: Pentax Digital ist and manual Pentax lenses |
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:03 am
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Since: Nov 24, 2005 Posts: 35
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:40 pm
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"John Bean" <waterfoot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry - forgot to add that the D/DS/DS2 are built using
> polycarbonate shells over a stainless steel chassis. They
> are indeed tough little cameras. I'm unsure of the DL
> construction.
And, AFAIK, the D is the only one with a PC connector for external flash. >> Stay informed about: Pentax Digital ist and manual Pentax lenses |
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Since: Oct 02, 2005 Posts: 466
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:21 pm
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:40:03 GMT, "Charles Self"
<charliediy DeleteThis @worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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>"John Bean" <waterfoot DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:skuvp1hf2fipvgck739j8i6ima6q5e2uf2@4ax.com...
>> Sorry - forgot to add that the D/DS/DS2 are built using
>> polycarbonate shells over a stainless steel chassis. They
>> are indeed tough little cameras. I'm unsure of the DL
>> construction.
>
>And, AFAIK, the D is the only one with a PC connector for external flash.
>
Yes, it is. There are probably lots of other details I
missed as well, I only remember the ones that affect me and
that I considered when I made my choice originally.
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Since: Nov 24, 2005 Posts: 35
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:17 pm
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"John Bean" <waterfoot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:40:03 GMT, "Charles Self"
> <charliediy.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
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>>"John Bean" <waterfoot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:skuvp1hf2fipvgck739j8i6ima6q5e2uf2@4ax.com...
>>> Sorry - forgot to add that the D/DS/DS2 are built using
>>> polycarbonate shells over a stainless steel chassis. They
>>> are indeed tough little cameras. I'm unsure of the DL
>>> construction.
>>
>>And, AFAIK, the D is the only one with a PC connector for external flash.
>>
> Yes, it is. There are probably lots of other details I
> missed as well, I only remember the ones that affect me and
> that I considered when I made my choice originally.
>
Yes, well, IIRC, when I bought my D a couple years ago (almost), the PC
connector was the deciding factor. I shoot a lot of studio flash work, and
that's just plain easier with a PC cord much of the time. That said, I just
bought one of those cheap (just over 30 bucks delivered) radio transmitter
thingies, but, so far, it shows up as DOA. Either the battery is dead, or
the days I've used it, the shop/studio has been too cold. Or it is just
plain junk. >> Stay informed about: Pentax Digital ist and manual Pentax lenses |
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:52 pm
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On 14 Dec 2005 10:25:02 -0800, Bill Tuthill <can.TakeThisOut@spam.co>
wrote:
>John Bean <waterfoot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> The DL is a bit more cut-down. It users mirrors instead of a
>> prism making the viewfinder... different. Some people like
>> the change - it makes the camera lighter - but I'm not at
>> all fond of "pentamirror" finders. It also cuts down on
>> certain other features like it's inability to use TTL flash
>> (it uses only P-TTL) and a few other bits and pieces.
>
>How can a DSLR do TTL flash? I thought it had to be done
>off the film, and because CCDs do not reflect light like film,
>it's technically impossible. That's what Minolta says anyway.
Well Pentax don't agree and just do it anyhow. It works
perfectly - I use a Vivitar 6000 ringflash and an ancient
Cullmann DC36 with Metz SCA372 adapter on my DS. Both are
TTL, both work fine.
The *istD (not the others) can even do TTL using its pop-up
flash in addition to external flashes. This can be useful -
P-TTL requires "A" or AF lenses to work, so if you're using
an old M42 lens (whatever) P-TTL is a no-go. The DS/DS2 can
use TTL only with an external flash, the DL can't use TTL at
all.
>Does P-TTL involve preflash?
Yes, that's what the "p-" seems to mean.
>Thanks, I really appreciated your summary of Pentax DSLR models.
>It's just the kind of thing that corporate websites never convey.
You're welcome
>The Minolta 7D and 5D hve 2.5" LCD, which is barely large enough.
>People my age can't really see anything smaller. According to
>photozone.de, *ist-D has 1.8" LCD, *ist-DS has 2", and *ist-DL 2.5".
>Is the DS2 same as the DL, 2.5"? I did not know that.
I believe so, I've never actually handled one.
>The Pentax *ist-D and *ist-DS have better viewfinders than the
>KM 7D, which has much better viewfinder than Canon 20D or 350D.
The Pentax models have the best viewfinders of all the APS-C
dSLRs in my opinion, so I certainlt wouldn't disagree with
your assessment.
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Since: Jan 11, 2006 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:57 pm
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John, I thank you sincerely for your time and all the
relevant information you have provided me.
Thanks to you I can now say I have the best understanding
I have ever had understanding digital cameras. Up to now
I have been reluctant to give up my film photography, however
I now am beginning to see that there are advantages to getting
a Pentax *ist digital body. I see the way film is going and don't
want to fight against the tide. I will always keep my film
equipment, even if only for sentimental value.
Which *ist will I purchase? I can't really say and in the next
days plan on taking a couple of my lenses and visiting a few
of the camera stores that sell the *ist.
I have downloaded part of the owners manual from Pentax.com
and now have that added information to study.
The digital SLR's seems to have lots of functions and I wonder
if they are like many other electronic devices available these days
that after you have used them a few times, there really is only
a limited number of functions you pick to use 90% of the time?
Thank you kindly
Denny B
"John Bean" <waterfoot.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The D is the oldest, uses CF for storage. The DS is newer,
> uses SD (as do the others), is faster writing to the card
> and has a few minor missing features compared with the D:
> the pop-up flash on the D can be used to operate remote
> P-TTL flashes wirelessly (the DS can't) and the D has two
> "command" wheels, the DS has one. The D has "hyper manual"
> mode like some film bodies used, the DS has "plain" manual.
> Both the D and DS are "discontinued" but still available
> from some suppliers.
>
> The DS2 is a replacement for the DS, with a larger LCD. At
> the time of release it also offered some extra functionality
> over the DS but Pentax has since released firmware for the
> DS which gives the extra features too. So for all practical
> purposes the DS2 is just a DS with a bigger LCD.
>
> The DL is a bit more cut-down. It users mirrors instead of a
> prism making the viewfinder... different. Some people like
> the change - it makes the camera lighter - but I'm not at
> all fond of "pentamirror" finders. It also cuts down on
> certain other features like it's inability to use TTL flash
> (it uses only P-TTL) and a few other bits and pieces.
>
> They're all good cameras which will deliver similar image
> quality; the D and DS can often be bought at bargain prices
> because of the existence of newer models. I bought the DS
> after all consideration, and I'd make the same choice today
> based on price/performance. The DS2 is the same camera, I'd
> have no hesitation buying one if the price was right. I
> wouldn't buy the DL having looked through its viewfinder,
> but other opinions will differ. Finally the D... in many
> ways it's the "best" of the *ist digitals but showing its
> age a little compared with the more recent models. But it's
> a fine camera and well worth considering if the price is
> right.
>
> --
> John Bean >> Stay informed about: Pentax Digital ist and manual Pentax lenses |
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