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Patrick Finnegan

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:20 pm
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I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
in that price range?

I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
£200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
everyone is going digital?

Thanks in advance.

Patrick.

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On Mar 20, 8:20 pm, "Patrick Finnegan" <finnegan.patr... DeleteThis @gmail.com>
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> I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
> absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
> a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
> potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
> What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
> in that price range?

There are not all that many digital SLRs for each price range. Do you
have lenses already (that you'd like to keep using)? Do you plan to
get very long teles and want them to have stabilizing elements (to
help with "slow" shutter speeds)? [look up their prices if you're
thinking of saying "yes" because it's a nifty feature, though!].

I'd say the 3/4 main cameras that spring to mind at that range are the
Pentax K10D, the Nikon D200 (actually this one's a bit more, the D80
is closer to your range) and the Canon 30D. I'll refrain from
suggesting any of them, thank you!

Well, the only comment I'll make is that I have the D200 and I tried
the D80 in a shop (a friend asked about it). The D80 seems to be the
D200 with a plastic body, less external (physical) controls, somewhat
reduced feature set (eg autofocus modes), lower frame rate and overall
slightly slowed down (in subtle things like viewfinder blackout etc;
mind you, this is what it felt like and I'm very sensitive to
slowness; I could be wrong). It's not bad, I found it overall about as
quick-reacting as a 20D (the older version of the 30D) that I used for
a while, so it's satisfactory. But this kind of thing is invisible to
most people, so don't think too much about it (you can try the ones on
your shortlist to find out if you mind or can even tell any
difference).

>
> I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
> batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
> £200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
> everyone is going digital?

Isn't it cheaper and more convenient to just buy extra batteries with
the 200GBP though? Unless you want a film camera too for other
reasons, of course.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:45 pm
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Fuji S5
Fuji S3
Nikon D200
Nikon D80
Canon 30D
Pentax K10D

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:53 pm
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On 20 Mar 2007 12:20:36 -0700, "Patrick Finnegan"
<finnegan.patrick.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
>absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
>a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
>potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
>What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
>in that price range?

That would depend on exactly what your idea of "sports photography"
is.
But given that you want fast shutter speed in low light, you want a
camera that has good low light capabilities (DUH!). This means you
want as little noise at high ISO speeds as possible.
Dpreview.com has pretty good reviews that will show the differences
between the currently-marketed DSLRs.
>
>I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
>batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
>£200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
>everyone is going digital?

Why would you think buying a film SLR is better than buying a spare
battery for the DSLR? The spare battery will cost far less than the
£200 SLR, not even considering the cost of the film and processing.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Patrick.

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:38 pm
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Patrick Finnegan wrote:
> I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
> absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
> a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
> potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
> What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
> in that price range?

You're drastically short on budget. To be serious about sports, I
wouldn't want to look at anything less than a Nikon D200 (5fps, 19
frame buffer), and that uses up or even exceeds your budget. The Canon
1dmkII is out of your range. And in either case you'd need a few
thousand dollars worth of lenses in addition.

You can, of course, take pictures of sports events with far less, on a
casual amateur basis. In that case, put your money into one or more
good lenses; any cheap body will be slow and will focus not so well anyway.

> I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
> batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
> £200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
> everyone is going digital?

Waste of money; for that price you can get a LOT of spare batteries.
Now, a second digital body is worth it to speed lens swapping, plus
protect you against failures.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:56 pm
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For your needs and price range:

1) Canon 30D
2) Canon 30D
3) Canon 30D
4) Canon 30D
5) Canon 30D

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I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
in that price range?
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:56 pm
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For your needs and price range:

1) Canon 30D
2) Canon 30D
3) Canon 30D
4) Canon 30D
5) Canon 30D

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I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
in that price range?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:57 pm
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Cheers, I now have coffee stains on my computer screen!


"Jack Splat =(Cool" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Fuji S5
> Fuji S3
> Nikon D200
> Nikon D80
> Canon 30D
> Pentax K10D
>
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:11 pm
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As someone with a Pentax K10D I would like to share a bit of hard earned and
expensive advice. Whatever dSLR you choose to get (get the best you can
afford) DO NOT go cheap on the lenses and do not go with a zoom lens that
has a real long range like a 28-300. Break that range up in to two lenses,
you will be much happier with the end result. For my K10D I bought a Sigma
28-300 thinking that I would only take a small hot in quality doing this and
it would give me a walk around lens and I could keep the lens swapping down
(I don't like interchangable lenses, I like what a dSLR offers in picture
quality, but don't like swapping lenses) however, the image quality of the
Sigma 28-300 is so sub-standard compared to even the cheap-o 18-55 kit lens
that I have ended up buying a 50-200 to go with the 18-55 and forgetting
about the 200 to 300mm range. So don't go cheap on the lenses. If you have
to spend money on one good one that covers a moderate range and make due
with that until you can afford a good second lens. It will take time to
build a lens collection that will cover the areas you want, but you will be
much happier in the long run.

Also, it is becuase of this that it is very important to get in to the right
brand of camera. Because the lenses are forever, the body is only a couple
of years. Meaning if you go Nikon for example the lens you speed good money
on now will almost certainly work on any body Nikon puts out over the next
decade or so. Because of this it is is important to pick a brand (Canon,
Nikon, Pentax, etc.) that you really like because you are going to have a
long term investment in lenses that you won't want to trash to switch to
another brand in a year or two.

So not only look at what the companies offer in bodies and features and
noise, and ISO, etc. But also look at what they offer in lenses. Canon,
Nikon and Pentax all have a very nice assortment of lenses to choose from.
This is a long term investment so take your time and choose carefully. Read
reviews, find a local store that has any camera you are interested in and go
down and try it out. Take a memory card with you so you can come back and
play with your sample shots.

Good luck,

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:31 pm
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"Ed" <me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote in message
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> For your needs and price range:
>
> 1) Canon 30D
> 2) Canon 30D
> 3) Canon 30D
> 4) Canon 30D
> 5) Canon 30D

Darn you Ed, I was going to post the exact same reply!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:56 pm
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Patrick Finnegan <finnegan.patrick.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
> absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
> a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
> potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
> What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
> in that price range?

> I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
> batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
> £200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
> everyone is going digital?

You might consider a second hand pro DSLR, like Nikon D1H a 300-500 euros.
Smallish picture size by current trend, but lots of them at 5 fps with
40 picture buffer. Big minus is lousy battery life, for one typical soccer
match you would need two or three of them.

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:19 pm
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:20:36 -0700, Patrick Finnegan wrote:

> I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
> absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
> a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
> potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
> What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
> in that price range?
>
> I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
> batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
> £200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
> everyone is going digital?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Patrick.

Be cheaper to get another set of batteries, wouldn't it?
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On 20 Mar 2007 12:20:36 -0700, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
> I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
> absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
> a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
> potentially low light conditions. My budget is ??600 -??800 UK pounds.
> What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
> in that price range?

> I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
> batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
> ??200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
> everyone is going digital?

Depending on the particular camera you end up choosing, that same ??200
could probably buy several extra batteries, extra memory cards,
another charger, and (maybe) a battery grip. Unless you need film
body for some other reason.

-alan

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:05 pm
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"Patrick Finnegan" <finnegan.patrick DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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I am venturing back into the world of photography after a ten year
absence. I intend to concentrate on sports photography so I will need
a digital SLR capable of taking good photos at fast shutter speeds in
potentially low light conditions. My budget is £600 -£800 UK pounds.
What would be the top five digital SLRs suitable for sports photograpy
in that price range?

I will also need a backup manual(film) SLR in case I run out of
batteries and I will probably try and get this second hand for around
£200. Any suggestions. Would I get a Nikon for that now that
everyone is going digital?


I use a Canon 30D - UK price is about £700 for the body. It is excellent.
Last Saturday I took it and my Canon 70-200 f2.8 L to a soccer match and got
some cracking shots.

Problem - the lens is about £750 on top of the body.

You can get a 70 -200 f4 L for less than £400 on eBay (see the shop
123fstop) and I assume it is as sharp as my f2.8, just 1 stop slower. But I
used f4 to f6.3 all afternoon anyway on ISOs of 200 to 800 as the clouds
came over. 800 ISO is very good, 1600 is useable and 3200 (high) will be
ignored by the viewer if the picture is interesting enough.

I don't think you need a film backup body. I can get 500 or more
non-internal flash shots on a single charge even with a big lens to drive. A
2 Gb card gets me about 240 shots in RAW and many more times in JPEG, even
with a 5 frame per second motorwind I only shot 180 in a 1.5 hour match.

In conclusion, If you can spring £1100 for a 30D and 70-200 f4 L lens you
will have an excellent sports camera. If f4 ends up too slow then you can
get most of your money back on the lens (see eBay) and buy the f2.8 version
after saving up for a bit. Oh - you will need £20 for a decent 2 Gb card or
£30 for a 4Gb one.

If you are limited to £800 then a near new secondhand 350D and the new
70-200 f4L will cost no more than £700. The 350 is o.k. (I have one) but the
3 frames per second mean you may lose sport shots and it's noise and focus
performance is not quite as good as the 30D. It's build is also less sturdy
but it could get you going and the body could be sold on when you have saved
up or defined you needs with experience.

Nikon are also rumoured to do some excellent cameras, a pal tells me the
D200 is superb and seems to be a similar price to the 30D - can't say more
I've not used one.

Whatever you buy, spend as much as you can on the lens.

Regards

John
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